my site is perfect! [Archive]

Oliver_Gem

04-13-2006, 06:26 AM

Hi,
We have this ecommerce site and we believe this site is one of the best there is.

Your site is far from perfect, and here is why:

1. You display pop-ups. Everyone hates it, including your future customers.

2. Link your logo to your home page.

3. Your have "spammers" banner in the centre of your front page and this banner is irrelevant your web site, because I don't have any message waiting for me at www.screensavers.com

4. What are you selling: goods or subscriptions? I am confused, because I see "New Member" link, which suppose to be called "New Customer". Besides, your registration form is not secure and please don't call validation code, a secret code. It's just plain wrong.

5. Left navigation is bad. You should underline your links, or make it obvious by some other methods like arrows, buttons, etc. Also, half of you buttons/banners are not linked anywhere.

6. I don't trust your e-commerce web site because I don't see who you are ( no about us link). I also don't see anything about returns, security and my privacy.

7. I don't know how to pay you and what my delivery options are, because I don't see any Help pages. Consider investing some time into a little FAQ or Help section.

7. Product pictures, both in gallery and detail are very low quality. It's also weird to see Google AdWords on the product detail pages.

8. In the product detail pages consider to use text/tables instead of textarea for your specifications.

9. Your search is useless. I tried to search for "Flat TV" and found nothing.

10. Your order tracking link is misleading because it's linked to the same old login form. Consider renaming it to either Your Account or actually implement order tracking without logon, by order # and e-mail for example.

Thanks
Oliver

imperial

04-13-2006, 10:27 AM

I will do that Oliver and give me time :) - anyways can you provide the link page you say about Google Adwords? It's been time since we provided their service at out site (no wonder that googlespider is still weaving at our site).

Thanks once again.

Mr J

04-13-2006, 01:08 PM

Ok, so I go to

imperial-appliance-plaza.com

And what the hell happens, popup invasion

Something about winfixer wanting to scan my system?

Something else is wanting to install something to do with microsoft office?

I get a PUP on my system and then it crashes my browser.

Guess I won't be coming back to your site then

Siddan

04-13-2006, 02:29 PM

what popups are everyone talking about? I am viewing it in IE and there are no popups and the site loads reasonable fast.... I believe you all have SP2 installed, like I have

skilled1

04-13-2006, 03:48 PM

there is a popup that loads in the background, to be honest, most popup blockers shoud tkae care of that issue, however the fact that it goes to full screen is quite the pain.

anyway, seems like the file size of over 100k has been taken care of it as it does load fast. the only thing i can reccomend is to bring the blue from the top down the sides of the page to help focus a users eyes on the content. nice site though.

jonra

04-13-2006, 03:56 PM

I don't normally try to find negatives on a site like this, but man, your site is a mess right now. For a rough draft maybe it's passable, but with your thread title... I mean, there are random ads all over the place - and yeah, google adwords on the product detail pages? The site loads extremely slow. Your product images are all really blurry, I'd probably retake a lot of those. You've got links to products on the homepage like 'Electric Fan' that go to a page stating there's no info? It's honestly just in shambles right now. I would definitely fix all of the issues that Oliver pointed out before even thinking about rolling that thing out - Nobody is going to want to buy from it :(

KDLA

04-13-2006, 04:02 PM

If your site was perfect, it would be giving all that stuff away for free....

It loaded quickly for me, however I'm on a t1 line.

Your coding is a mess. (http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A%2F%2Fimperial-appliance-plaza.com%2F) I suggest you work on these errors before declaring perfection.

[btw - is stating that your site is perfection just a ploy to ensure all sorts of comments from the forum? ;)]

KDLA

jonra

04-13-2006, 05:25 PM

[btw - is stating that your site is perfection just a ploy to ensure all sorts of comments from the forum? ;)]

KDLA
haha - it HAS to be :p

EOBeav

04-13-2006, 07:57 PM

Hi,
We have this ecommerce site and we believe this site is one of the best there is.
We really dont need any comment for we feel we have the right choice of creating it from layout to text and validation(underconstruction).

Please give me a feedback only.

So why are you posting it here?

JayM

04-13-2006, 08:34 PM

Come on now guys, take it easy on him :)

Remove the ads. They look very unprofessional for an eCommerce website.
In item descriptions, remove the horizantal scrollbars and allow your customers to see all the info at once. It's very annoying to scroll, and no one likes it.

You're on the right track mate. Just remain humble ;)

Launchnet

04-13-2006, 08:37 PM

After reading the others comments, I'm not even going to waste my time on looking at yours.

imperial

04-14-2006, 03:40 AM

Hi,
Sorry to hear it guys I do hear you :( , Its still holidays here and I just take a quick look and BAAAAAM!
Anyways, I'm still vacationing until Easter Sunday and can't touch my PC at home till im back probably next week Tuesday.

Dont worry guys, hope I'll do all of that and you are with me all the way.

Thank you very much, I do appreciate it. Thanks once again. :(

Ness_du_Frat

04-15-2006, 04:56 PM

So, so...
Your website...
First, it's coded with tables. BAD.
Then, it doesn't have a document type declaration. VERY BAD.
Your html is not valid.
Your css validates, but with something like 60 warnings.
Popups. already talked about here, so I'm not gonna make a whole post of it (except right now, there's a silly window on my computer saying that it has been infected with whatever virus and I need to download some stupid program to get rid off it)
Your color scheme is a bit agressive, try softening it by counterbalancing the red with a more peaceful color.
Other than that... I don't know. I'm not an expert in commercial websites.
But really, you should at least give your page a doctype.
And... although you certainly are very proud of your website, don't say it's perfect. It's the best way to annoy people and make them hate your website and not want to help you.

marchese

04-16-2006, 11:54 AM

Good..........no perfect
;)

tylivia

04-16-2006, 07:48 PM

we believe this site is one of the best there is.

Once you start to believe that, you have lost your ability to be creative. I consider my talents to be pretty good, but I am FAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRR from perfect...and the day that I think I am, I might as well give it up.

I have to agree with all of the comments about your site. It needs some serious validation fixes and from a usability standpoint. Make what is clickable, clickable by using clearly defined links using underlines and take your copy to a copywriter to improve your message to achieve a more efficient visit and page scan for the visitor.

As far as the comment from Ness_Du_Frat:
So, so...
Your website...
First, it's coded with tables. BAD.

Who said that, "Tables are BAD?" In fact, the page you are viewing now uses a nice blend of both css and tables. Tables are still considered a useful form of web page layout and will never be deprecated. In fact, I use both CSS and tables together to achieve a consistent look and ability to get the best of both worlds. Please, don't tell people that tables are bad. CSS is very useful, cross-platform, accessible, etc...and that is good. But, tables are still a great way to quickly deploy a site.

It's like tables vs. css is like republicans vs. democrats. They both offer solutions and have a framework of thought...some agree with one while some agree with the other...and neither are wrong since they are both trying to achieve success.

I consider myself an "Independent!" I like both schools of thought.:)

Sorry about the rant, I just want us all to be open minded and not close ourselves off to one idea or one school of thought. It's not good for the future of web development.

Sincerely,

Har

imperial

04-17-2006, 07:27 AM

Hi,
I responded first with Oliver_Gems consideration and for a moment not all are yet answered.

Your site is far from perfect, and here is why:

1. You display pop-ups. Everyone hates it, including your future customers.

2. Link your logo to your home page.

3. Your have "spammers" banner in the centre of your front page and this banner is irrelevant your web site, because I don't have any message waiting for me at www.screensavers.com

4. What are you selling: goods or subscriptions? I am confused, because I see "New Member" link, which suppose to be called "New Customer". Besides, your registration form is not secure and please don't call validation code, a secret code. It's just plain wrong.

5. Left navigation is bad. You should underline your links, or make it obvious by some other methods like arrows, buttons, etc. Also, half of you buttons/banners are not linked anywhere.

My response to each cons,

1. I use the service of paypopup.com and I didnt expect this is what they give me (that everybody hates it).

2. Why? But I link it anyway.

3. So I replace it with a static ads. Is it alright?

4. It's "New Customer" then. And the secret code is ... Code! It is not secure? how so?

5. Is the navigation simple enough? I intend not to link some of the banners for I assume it looks like an advertisement, thus it look like it?

Thank You Oliver, hope your with me all the way, Thanks!

Cheers,

Ness_du_Frat

04-17-2006, 07:48 AM

As far as the comment from Ness_Du_Frat:

Who said that, "Tables are BAD?" In fact, the page you are viewing now uses a nice blend of both css and tables. Tables are still considered a useful form of web page layout and will never be deprecated. In fact, I use both CSS and tables together to achieve a consistent look and ability to get the best of both worlds. Please, don't tell people that tables are bad. CSS is very useful, cross-platform, accessible, etc...and that is good. But, tables are still a great way to quickly deploy a site.

It's like tables vs. css is like republicans vs. democrats. They both offer solutions and have a framework of thought...some agree with one while some agree with the other...and neither are wrong since they are both trying to achieve success.

I consider myself an "Independent!" I like both schools of thought.:)

Sorry about the rant, I just want us all to be open minded and not close ourselves off to one idea or one school of thought. It's not good for the future of web development.

Sincerely,

Har
Mmm, okay, I don't want to start a fight here.
Go with tables if you don't care for people browing with non-graphical browsers (think of the blind people, for example. Their vocal or text browser will readthe data in your tables as if it were tabular data. If you use tables for your layout, people will be confused, as everything will be linearized, and it will then make sentences absolutely unable to understand).
Tables were used for layout when it wasn't possible to achieve the same with css. It's not the case anymore. You can do whatever you want with css. If your css is correctly coded, the page will load faster than it would with tables.
But I have to admit, sometimes, I also use tables as a way to organize my images. (that's the only exception in my case).
Aynway, a "perfect" website should do without tables. A cool website, almost perfect, can still have some tables around, I guess.

Assualt

04-17-2006, 03:35 PM

i typed "Television" in the search box nothing came up i copyed and pasted one of your products in the search bar nothing came up if you site was perfect it would be able to find thoes objects. Also you list the type of product there are but you dont have any of thoes products so no your site isn't perfect at least put and under construction sign in thoese parts or dont post them yet

welsh

04-17-2006, 09:58 PM

1. I use the service of paypopup.com and I didnt expect this is what they give me (that everybody hates it).

nobody likes adds or popups.

tylivia

04-17-2006, 11:07 PM

Mmm, okay, I don't want to start a fight here.
Go with tables if you don't care for people browing with non-graphical browsers (think of the blind people, for example. Their vocal or text browser will readthe data in your tables as if it were tabular data. If you use tables for your layout, people will be confused, as everything will be linearized, and it will then make sentences absolutely unable to understand).
Tables were used for layout when it wasn't possible to achieve the same with css. It's not the case anymore. You can do whatever you want with css. If your css is correctly coded, the page will load faster than it would with tables.
But I have to admit, sometimes, I also use tables as a way to organize my images. (that's the only exception in my case).
Aynway, a "perfect" website should do without tables. A cool website, almost perfect, can still have some tables around, I guess.

No fight from me! I absolutley 100% agree with you. I design most primary sites with table due to the ease of getting something up and running for my clients...they can be so impatient. 90% of all of my secondary sites are pure .css just for the reasons you gave.

If your site is for a select group of people and a mass audience is not an issue, I usually just stick with good 'ole tables and css blend.

In fact, our business site is coded that way. All pages, except one, in the entire site are less than 10kb.

Anyways, can we still be friends? :)

Ness_du_Frat

04-18-2006, 02:58 AM

No fight from me! I absolutley 100% agree with you. I design most primary sites with table due to the ease of getting something up and running for my clients...they can be so impatient. 90% of all of my secondary sites are pure .css just for the reasons you gave.

If your site is for a select group of people and a mass audience is not an issue, I usually just stick with good 'ole tables and css blend.

In fact, our business site is coded that way. All pages, except one, in the entire site are less than 10kb.

Anyways, can we still be friends? :)
lol.
No problem ^^
Anyway, using tables to achieve an inline menu is not always the way... Imperial has done just that, and that's too bad, because using a <ul><li>Item</li><li>Item2</li><li>Item3</li></ul> with a li {display : inline; } is soooooo much easier ^^

nitrexoxide

04-18-2006, 05:18 AM

I agree, tables are B A D !

Ness_du_Frat

04-18-2006, 07:18 AM

I agree, tables are B A D !
:D
I would say, it depends on the kind of datas you put in tables. If it's a form or an image gallery, ok. If it's a navigation bar you can achieve easily with css, tables should go to hell.

imperial

04-20-2006, 06:55 AM

Your site is far from perfect, and here is why:

6. I don't trust your e-commerce web site because I don't see who you are ( no about us link). I also don't see anything about returns, security and my privacy.

7. I don't know how to pay you and what my delivery options are, because I don't see any Help pages. Consider investing some time into a little FAQ or Help section.

7. Product pictures, both in gallery and detail are very low quality. It's also weird to see Google AdWords on the product detail pages.

8. In the product detail pages consider to use text/tables instead of textarea for your specifications.

9. Your search is useless. I tried to search for "Flat TV" and found nothing.

10. Your order tracking link is misleading because it's linked to the same old login form. Consider renaming it to either Your Account or actually implement order tracking without logon, by order # and e-mail for example.

Thanks
Oliver

I have responded with Oliver’s recommendation that correspond in the matter above.

6. Do you literally mean "About Us" link? But what I put is "About IAP" link. We put it in our FAQ's about returns, security and my privacy.

7. We only use credit card as mode of payment and only exclusive for residence of the Philippines for delivery. But I'll still invest more time on this as you say about the Help/FAQs pages.

7. I still dont find that Google Adwords in detail page. Could you write up the exact link in the site to where it is located please.

8. So I remove the textarea then.

9. I simply added the word "Model" besides the Search term,for this search is for model searching only (who knows?) but more search are helpful in the "Advanced Search" link (Thus anybody knows its a link?).

10. So I replace it with "Your Account" and ofcourse this requires logon.

I will respond to some issues about the subject matter and possible answer all at once along the way. Thank You All.

Kendi

04-28-2006, 12:39 AM

If your site was perfect, it would be giving all that stuff away for free....

LOL

I'm not going to add my comments because you guys are doing an outstanding job on giving 101 reasons why this site is not perfect.

I found the opening review request quite amusing! LOL

WOW!

Kendi

Kendi

04-28-2006, 12:42 AM

Originally Posted by imperial
Hi,
We have this ecommerce site and we believe this site is one of the best there is.
We really dont need any comment for we feel we have the right choice of creating it from layout to text and validation(underconstruction).

Please give me a feedback only.

So why are you posting it here?

I was wondering the same thing.
I'm sorry for sounding rude, but I find this amuzing to openly say that "Hey! My sight is perfect and I don't want you to tell me otherwise!"

Funny Stuff Yall!

Kendi

Hemmer

04-28-2006, 06:47 AM

2. Why? But I link it anyway.

3. So I replace it with a static ads. Is it alright?

2. There doesnt seem to be any link to your home page anyway, but also its a quick way for customers to get straight back to where they started.

3. Personally I would ditch the ads altogether. It lowers the tone of a site - if a company has to prostitute out its virtual real estate to make an extra buck then it doesn't say a lot about how well it is doing financially. It looks as if you can afford to not have ads so DONT. Especially if they link out to competitors!

imperial

04-29-2006, 06:41 AM

Hi Hemmer,

Yes you and all of are you right about this Ad thing, but in the meantine I'm still in the process of validating my site in which I'm having a hard time getting help from the CSS forum :mad: , guess I have to find another forum besides webdeveloper but hey most of my work came from here. I'm actually doing this one at a time so please hope you and all of you are still with me :)

Cheers,

imperial

05-21-2006, 05:33 AM

Hi,
After a long break im back to continue in finding help in validating my site (imperial-appliance-plaza.com) and so here I am asking for help. As you can see in
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.imperial-appliance-plaza.com

line 1 to 5 and heres the code that cause the error:

.
.
.

<tr>
<td>Model Search </td>
<td> </td>
<td>
<form action="p_searchItem.asp" method="post">
<input class="forminput" id="strSearch" name="strSearch" size="20" ></td>
<td> </td>
<td>
<input type=image alt=Go
src="images/button-go.gif"
name=image2 width="20" height="13"></td>
<td> </td>
<td><a href="p_search.asp">Advanced
Search</a></td>
<td> </td></form></tr>
.
.
.

But what error could I find? How come it wasnt validated on this part? Hope you all could help.

WebJoel

05-21-2006, 11:27 AM

Once the page finally loaded, -it looks kinda nice. A bit like the "Canadian Tire" web page. But way too many errors and warnings. My validator stopped counting at 26 errors and 126 warnings. -Things like (actual copy & paste snippette next):

...."</TD></TR>

<TR>
<TD>

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD> "...and etc.

WAAY too much nested table action going on here. THIS causes slow rendering and potentially can stall a user's browser, or BSOD (Blue Screen Of Death). -And Heaven help the handicapped whom come here with a text-reader for the visially disabled... The reader will 'read' the text out of linear order due to the over-nesting stated above, thoroughly confusing them, no doubt.

But like another postee said, -you're on the right track. Visually (once it's loaded), -it does looks nice. And since I have pop-up blockers, firewall and filters galore, I didn't see a single pop-up/pop-under. THAT is what ALL visitor's should experience. :) By default I mean. Ad free e-Comm site. -I'd shop there. :)

imperial

05-22-2006, 07:30 AM

Thanks on the reply WebJoel ( I will do that after I validate the site),

You see I couldnt continue my work in fixing this errors when nobody is helping me grrrr,not that I need some free code(well in fact this is created from all those free codes hehe) anyways, hope you all are with me in validating my site.

My problem is still at large (please see http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=h...iance-plaza.com)

In line 1 to 5 this are the line first I need to fix and I did show my code below, hope anyone could help. Thanks again Webjoel.