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John Hicks
06-09-2006, 09:00 AM
Good afternoon, good morning, just a few hours to go...
A short announcement to coincide with the world's great football (ahem, that's "soccer" for those of you over the pond) tournament, the World Cup.
Urbilog, the Accessibility experts in Europe, have recently begun a public "ranking" service which measures and compares accessibility (based on WCAG 1.0) of like structures. That is, we run tables of comparisons between towns, or insurance companies, and local government agencies, etc.
To expand this service beyond the borders of its homebase (France), and to jump on the world cup bandwagon, Urbilog is introducing a page of comparison for over 60 national sites (wich more to be added). The top 20 are ranked in order with details on numbers of accessibilty errors.
We will be running the country audits daily through out the World Cup period, in case any web developers feel the urge to clean up, they will see results immediately. Current leaders are the UK, France and Austria.
For further information, feel free to contact me personally by email, otherwise, just sit back and let the games begin! http://www.urbilog.fr/ranking.htm?type=5
Cheers for now,
John
PS. Apologies that the page itself is in French only. This will change next week. The table is, however, self-explanatory and of course "Accessible to All," no matter what your language constraints. :)
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Charles
06-09-2006, 09:07 AM
Except that there are 21 HTML errors on that page (WCAG 1.0 checkpoint 3.2) and an incomplete DOCTYPE - and we were supposed to stop using transitional a long, long, time ago.
John Hicks
06-09-2006, 09:19 AM
Hmmmm... you mean on the ranking page? I just see 5 problematic images.
Ah, validating... yes! My bust. Whoops. About 18 non-unique labels is I think what you are talking about.
Thanks for the heads up. Unfortunately the page developer is out til monday...
Rather embarassing, apologies.
John
Charles
06-09-2006, 09:28 AM
No need to apologize, but it does rather suggest that your "ranking" of other peoples pages will be equally shoddy.
John Hicks
06-09-2006, 09:51 AM
There is a difference between a bad referee and a crooked referee. The same tool is used for all the pages, so this would probably not be a factor in the rankings. However, clearly the roll-out (of this page) may have been premature. Again, thanks for the heads up. Check back to see how your favourite country is faring later on!
John
Charles
06-09-2006, 10:19 AM
There is a difference between a bad referee and a crooked referee. No, but they amount to the same thing and it's best to get them off the pitch before somebody gets hurt. Those Brittish accessibility hooligans are always itching for a fight.
From your atrocious page we are led to believe that your organization knows little about accessibility. And more, your whole project is an automated accessibility checker. Accessibility checking cannot be automated. So what on Earth are you ranking pages against? Some arbitrary or random standard? And how is this anything other than very bad?
John Hicks
06-09-2006, 11:34 AM
I will respond to your post on Monday as I am full of too much to do right now. I didn''t expect quite such a negative reaction. Our checker is currently set to find all automatisable errors of WCAG 1. I will post a list here next week.
In any event, the tables are certainly not random. Why even the USA was up there in the top 20 last week, until I added all of Latin and Central America and Eastern Europe.
The use of the words "random" "arbitrary" and "shoddy" makes me wonder if some of those British accessibility hooligans didn't colonise your part of Maryland! :)
As for atrocious, if I confirm that the problem with this page is the re-use of the id for different cells (is that what you are referring to?), then obviously it is a repeated error that is the result of an oversight.
OK, anyway, will definitely get back to you.
Interesting thought that 3.2 implies all validation errors are infact errors of WCAG 1. It is true that I had not seen it that way before.
Look forward to digging deeper into this.
The main point of the World Cup Accessibility was to set of a bit of a buzz, by using this great international competition as a back drop. If it gets people talking about accessibility who weren't aware of it before, surely that has a net positive effect.
Thanks for your messages, and we will communicate soon.
Best wishes,
John
felgall
06-09-2006, 05:52 PM
I assume that they are checking against those of the Accessibility Guidelines that can be tested using an automated process since they obviously can't set up an automated process to check the larger number of accessibility rules that can't be tested that way to start with.
I agree with Charles that if you are setting yourself up to judge other sites on some particular thing that you have to expect eeveryone else to judge your site against that same standard and to judge your ability to perform that judging on that basis. If you are going to use an automated process to rank other sites then your site must always pass that automated process with a score of 100% if you want to be taken seriously.
bathurst_guy
06-10-2006, 02:00 AM
I agree with whats being said. But - a plumber always has leaking taps. (or however the saying goes)
John Hicks
06-12-2006, 10:19 AM
OK, but to recap, note that the errors in the page were non-unique IDs in the table cells... in otherwords errors in the validity of the document. Are validation errors to be assumed errors in accessibility (via checkpoint 3.2)? Obviously in this case (non-unique labels) the accessibility of the table was greatly compromised.
We have been encouraged by some somewhat more constructive criticism to actually put a validation score in these tables as well, since that is something fairly concrete. Its relevance for accessibility seems to be a wide open subject, but maybe some interesting correlations will become evident.
Best wishes,
John
jalarie
06-12-2006, 12:06 PM
The problem is greater than just non-unique labels:
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