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screenwriter
06-16-2003, 07:39 PM
Hello, I'm new to this forum. I am still a beginner and very intrigued by what the web language can do for websites. I've actually started to create my own website with a little help from some friends. I'm up to using HTML, JavaScript (where and when do I use that), CSS, and hesitently trying DHTML.... any advice would be cool, because I don't know where to go from here. Plus, I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong or right. Thanks
hastx
06-16-2003, 08:46 PM
Your starting in the right place by learning HTML, CSS, etc.

Some people start by learning front page or something and never learn the code.
PeOfEo
06-16-2003, 09:00 PM
yes I encourage people to raw code go to htmlgoodies.com because they can answer many questions there before you ever need to post it.
jeffmott
06-16-2003, 09:23 PM
htmlgoodies.comno, no, no! Learning from HTMLGoodies is almost as bad as starting with FrongPage. I have not yet found one article from there that is not incomplete or incorrect (or both). Several people who did start there now regret having done so.
hastx
06-16-2003, 10:17 PM
wow, how about webmonkey? I like their tutorials.
screenwriter
06-16-2003, 10:24 PM
Thanks for telling me about htmlgoodies.... if htmlgoodies is not ideal.... It's hard for me trying to find a good decent website that'll lead me in the right direction. I'm worried that I'm rushing into things way too fast. Please give some more advice.
spufi
06-16-2003, 11:31 PM
I want to name a resource that doesn't get mentioned often. These forums. I started out on the old HTML Goodies forum before it got merged with others to make this one. Yeah, I have learn a good amount from other sites and books, but a large amount of what I know came from the old forum and this one. I would start looking at threads and seeing if you can answer the question, or not. At least see if you can solve it on your own and if not, see what other people offer. Sometimes I'm way off, but that's ok. I learn from it and I might store away the solution for when I need it.

Beyond that, learn to validate your code. Try going against the 4.01 Strict DTD. If you can handle that, try doing XHTML 1.0 Strict, or XHTML 1.1. You said you are learing CSS. Make sure you get in the habit of creating a CSS file and linking your pages to it externally. Also do this for your JavaScript code. This way it keeps your HTML/XHTML nice and clean looking and it makes your site a ton easier to manage/update.

I also have some links of interest in my sig and I probably could easily double, or triple that number.
PeOfEo
06-17-2003, 12:39 AM
html goodies is awesome! what are you talking about. I always reccomend goodies. How can you compare it to a horrible web design program that teaches you nothing when you can learn a whole lot at goodies. Thats where I first learned some years ago and many others have too shame on you for desecrating the name of goodies.
spufi
06-17-2003, 09:16 AM
Let's start by looking at the code for their home page. Here's what I found at the very top.

<title>HTML Goodies - Home Page</title>
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">

<html>

Yep, they have the <title> tag outside of the <html> tag, and this from a site that teaches how to make web pages. :rolleyes:
DaveSW
06-17-2003, 09:29 AM
I like the w3schools link found in spufi's signature

( www.w3schools.com )

They're not perfect but it's well presented and easy to follow. And you can just test the code in their examples section.
screenwriter
06-17-2003, 11:03 AM
Sometimes I feel as if I'm rushing into these things a little too fast. Although, the only way to make progress is to learn from errors. I just hope that I'm not rushing into THIS too fast. Consuming myself with HTML, JavaScript, CSS, DHTML, and whatever is next.
PeOfEo
06-17-2003, 12:29 PM
Originally posted by spufi
Let's start by looking at the code for their home page. Here's what I found at the very top.

<title>HTML Goodies - Home Page</title>
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">

<html>

Yep, they have the <title> tag outside of the <html> tag, and this from a site that teaches how to make web pages. :rolleyes: I didint say they didnt have errors. But they still have good tutorials. You have to allow people so many screw ups. Like me i screw up a lot but im still a likeable fellow right???
iggypop
06-17-2003, 12:34 PM
what is wrong with your site.? and why are using frames?. just a curious question, no offence
PeOfEo
06-17-2003, 12:36 PM
what do you mean? I am not using frames I am using iframes and I am doing that because it makes it more conveniant for me to only have to update one page to affect the layout and it looks better that way. What do you mean whats wrong with it?
iggypop
06-17-2003, 12:48 PM
The page cannot be found
The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.
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Please try the following:

Make sure that the Web site address displayed in the address bar of your browser is spelled and formatted correctly.
If you reached this page by clicking a link, contact the Web site administrator to alert them that the link is incorrectly formatted.
Click the Back button to try another link.
HTTP Error 404 - File or directory not found.
Internet Information Services (IIS)

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Technical Information (for support personnel)

Go to Microsoft Product Support Services and perform a title search for the words HTTP and 404.
Open IIS Help, which is accessible in IIS Manager (inetmgr), and search for topics titled Web Site Setup, Common Administrative Tasks, and About Custom Error Messages.


inside each of the frame :( The page cannot be found
The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.
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Please try the following:

Make sure that the Web site address displayed in the address bar of your browser is spelled and formatted correctly.
If you reached this page by clicking a link, contact the Web site administrator to alert them that the link is incorrectly formatted.
Click the Back button to try another link.
HTTP Error 404 - File or directory not found.
Internet Information Services (IIS)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Technical Information (for support personnel)

Go to Microsoft Product Support Services and perform a title search for the words HTTP and 404.
Open IIS Help, which is accessible in IIS Manager (inetmgr), and search for topics titled Web Site Setup, Common Administrative Tasks, and About Custom Error Messages.
PeOfEo
06-17-2003, 12:55 PM
yea I was changed the the new server a few days ago and I have not fixed all of the bugs. Main thing it didi was changed every url on the thing so if you have look at my site in the past 20 days or so you need to look a new version or something because the cached version will molest you with errors. Please tell me which page that was on and I shally try to fix it.
iggypop
06-17-2003, 01:00 PM
i never been on your page before... it shouldnt be in my cache.. none of them is working.. try to clean up your cache.
spufi
06-17-2003, 01:02 PM
Originally posted by PeOfEo
I didint say they didnt have errors. But they still have good tutorials. You have to allow people so many screw ups. Like me i screw up a lot but im still a likeable fellow right???

Does your site promote teaching others how to do web design? No. If a site does then I would hope that they would know enough to hire somebody to design it so the <title> tag was at least in the correct place. A number of other posters on here that I say have a fair grasp on web design have looked at some of their tutorials and have found errors in them, or at least not exactly the best examples of the desired solutions.

Since iggypop brought up your site, why do you have a 1374px wide image as your banner? It's too wide for something like 84% of the net. You should get rid of all of your multiple <style> tags and put all of your CSS in one <style> within your <head> tag. You could even externally link it if you use the same styles on all of your pages. Your script in the first <script> tag is spread way out.
PeOfEo
06-17-2003, 01:02 PM
well thats very confusing because it works for me perfectly. try http://knights.europe.webmatrixhosting.net/index.html
PeOfEo
06-17-2003, 01:06 PM
the server might just be lagging at the moment. If thats the case and your broser cannot bring p the applications then it would give you a 404 I guess but my code should be just about error free at this point. I liked it better when I was on the old server not the new one :( this w2k3 server has given me nothing but misory now I long for the nt server again.
iggypop
06-17-2003, 01:08 PM
no, i was looking at the page at your profile http://www.paxonradio.tk/
spufi
06-17-2003, 01:18 PM
I found these on HTML Goodies Text Commands part of their tutorial section.

<PLAINTEXT>The Altered Text</PLAINTEXT> The Altered Text

No need to know this one cold either. When HTML 4.0 becomes standard, this will be a dead command. Use <PRE> instead.

<Q>The Altered Text</Q> The Altered Text
This is a new command in HTML 4.0. Your browser may not support it yet. It will be a replacement for the blockquote command. Plus it will have the same properties available as the new Span command.

Your browser might not support it because it's not part of the forthcoming 4.0 recommendations? :eek: I would much rather point somebody in the direction of a web site who has content that's been updated in the last five years. ;)
PeOfEo
06-17-2003, 01:20 PM
html goodies isnt with the times eather :)