Promoting a Keyword or phrase

[Seawitch]

Hi All

The keyword 'seawitch' now finds my site as 'Seawitchartist' on the 2nd or 3rd page of google up from 6&7 recently, and 1st on MSN (absent on Yahoo!)I'm very happy with that, a first sale and commission to strangers have been made.
What I now want to make a task of is to get it there with the key phrase 'sea witch'...splitting the word 'seawitch' makes a big difference, it finds 'Seawitchartist' on page 33 last time I checked.
Being that deep in the wilderness I guess the first what ever amount of pages won't be to difficult to progress through, would it help to ask friends, I've got about a score I could call on, to access my site through that protracted route?
Only once on my site is the Seawitch word split to Sea Witch...would it help to do it more often?
If asked , how would you spell it? Stopping people in the street with a milboard doesn't sound appealing! :D
regards.

BB
www.seawitchartist.com (http://www.seawitchartist.com)

[The_Magus]

Maybe I'm being thick but I have to ask why people would know that Seawitch, sea witch or whatever had anything to do with the contents of your pages? If I wanted to view what ever it you offer, I would probably type in something connected with the subject for which I was looking, certainly not seawitch or anything like it. I would use the subject. I think I noticed something that your site concerns art so if I was interested I would probably type in "painting", "art" or something more specific. You seem to have a problem with "branding" - you have to tell the world that "Seawitch" is connected with the subject of your site. Re splitting sea witch - personally if I typed in that word I would be looking for sea witches and would leave pretty quick if I got a web site connected with art unless of course it actually had something to do with sea witch other then using that word in the domain name.

[Seawitch]

Hello Magnus
Thank you for your interest here, it's been a while since I posted, happily, I can say this is because things have been happening. On why people should choose Seawitch..or Sea Witch as keywords and find a site like mine. Well, the site I have I describe as Pagan and Marine artwork, that other topics found there way in was caused by requests. The word Seawitch will appeal to Pagans and those interested in them, also, it's as legendary a name as Cutty Sark to those who enjoy the era of the Clipper ships. A topic I'm working on now in my china Tea chests set, such people by the way often like Marine art, and Pagans certainly do as well...I'm meeting both and lots in between.
Both key words put the Seawitch.org at the top of the search, I'm a member of it's forums and it is a lonely site producing the topic you say you be searching for. But at the top it is, I appreciate your point.
I've got three jobs going with a fourth on hold for a friend, about as much work as I dare handle.
It's when I produce printed products as I aspire to that a bigger attendance will benefit me more.
As for people ignoring my site when they come upon it?
All I can say is that here are the August results from my web statistics page, plenty stayed for half an hour or an hour +, and it's still a small site.


Visits duration
Number of visits: 1319 - Average: 990 s Number of visits Percent
0s-30s 752 57 %
30s-2mn 65 4.9 %
2mn-5mn 41 3.1 %
5mn-15mn 32 2.4 %
15mn-30mn 30 2.2 %
30mn-1h 238 18 %
1h+ 161 12.2 %


BB George

[The_Magus]

Hi:

I have a feeling that you have taken offense to my remarks - if so, it must have been because I expressed myself incorrectly.

I was trying to make the point that viewers would not be looking for art when they typed in seawitch (in any of it's many forms) and therefore I would not worry about it too much but concentrate on keywords describing the subject of your site so that when viewers were pointed towards it they would be finding what they were looking for.

I'm glad you are happy with the results - that's what matters and if you are busy that is even better. Ever onward and upwards!!

Jack

[Seawitch]

Hello Jack
No, no offence taken, I'm glad somebodies talking to me! :) I'd go on to say that I find the Art Internet so huge, I'd surely drown in it.
Seeking to find a niche at a crossroads was part of my concept.
Your mentioning of the word Sea Witches is interesting though, there is a result of just that name to be found, an article to describe that path in Paganism written by the web Mistress of the Seawitch.org site. I tend to exchange positions with it quite a lot.
Some of my Artwork is to be seen in the forums of the same, occasionally in association with a topic discussed.
A lot of my painting is about sea witches .. or Sea Witches!
Thanks for the response.
BB
George
www.seawitchartist.com (http://www.seawitchartist.com)

[loon]

From my opinion, it doesnt make a big different whether you put it into one word or two words...

[Seawitch]

Hi Loon
The search size for key word 'seawitch' is over 372,000 on google, that sounds huge and of course it is. I accept your point. However, when you do enter that phrase the first thing you see at the top of the page is the suggestion: Did you mean 'sea witch'...the split version.
The same isn't true vice versa. It's presence is surely going to have a lot of people switch away from where I'm now to be found....at the time of writing...on the front page for the first time. It's something to be concerned about surely?
BB George

[Gorkoid]

Hi All

The keyword 'seawitch' now finds my site as 'Seawitchartist' on the 2nd or 3rd page of google up from 6&7 recently...

BB
www.seawitchartist.com (http://www.seawitchartist.com)

If your site is actually "www.seawitchartist .com" wouldn't it make sense that it comes up that way on google? Or are you saying that you type in seawitch and then your site comes up as seawitchartist. Is that bad? I guess I don't understand....

[Seawitch]

Hi Gorkoid
My site is called 'SeaWitchArtist'...it's the url that's got www .com attached.
If somebody typed in the unlikely term seawitchartist they would almost certainly be looking for me directly...they don't need to discover me.
Nothing seems to be listed as a full url on a results page.
The search terms seawitch and sea witch are quite common...it leads to Tea Clippers witchcraft, bloggers, yachts and an artist. :D
Click on Seawitchartist in the results page and the link..which of course is what it is, takes you to the site.
In the details of Seawitchartist (or anything else)you'll also see the url below, together with it's size, in my case 4k. Don't forget people surf through the image pages too, and that's an area I need to work on. Hope that helps.
BB George

[Gorkoid]

You're right, people do search through image files. I guess I never really considered that. Have you tried to get you stuff submitted so that they can see the pictures or does Google do that automatically when people search for seawitch on the image finder? I'd like to know how you did it if you did, so I can do it too for some of my sites. Cool site by the way, did you do all that art yourself? It's really good.

[Seawitch]

Hi GorKoid
Thanks for your kind words, and yes, they are my own painting. :)
Images seem to have a different behaviour...the first picture you'll find under keyword seawitch is this... Book of Thoth (http://www.book-of-thoth.com/ftopicp-78870.html) it's a photobucket picture that I placed in the forum named...however, my signature there as here has my sites url in it, also, images from blogs tend to get picked up too, these need your proper sites url to prompt people there. (you do know about photobucket.com image hosting?)
Getting an image off your website and into google images is it seems about the page name. Good example here, no sooner had I put this on my website and it was the first result under the term battle crow (http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=RNWI,RNWI:2005-43,RNWI:en&q=battle+crow) that didn't get found under images...but on web two links straight to the page with the image, and a popular one it is too, 'Battle Crow is an alternative name for Morrigan, the Celtic Goddess of war, very interesting to Pagans and the painting sold like a shot!
Some of my pages are called New page 1...I didn't do the job properly in Microsoft front page and they are pages being wasted..I'll have to change all that when my friend who I still rely on a lot is available again...I'm still learning my own way around by the way!
If I put the keyword 'Seawitchartist' in I get a page full of images in the image search,,,however, that is of very limited use, the person using that keyword already knows me for sure!
Hope this all helps, and nice talking to yo!
BB George

[loon]

Hi Seawitch,

It is true that if they change to "sea witch" the search result will increased tremendously. So it really depend on do you want traffic or do you want those who interested in drawing come to your site...