well i gave it a go

[little blue]

well were just screwing around ,
just letting the world know that we exist.

come and see its http://www.thesundaymonkeyclub.com/

all the best
monkey number 1

[pyro]

Moderators note: Thread moved to the General section.

[spufi]

Well, it's not much of a website if every page is basically one big image. :rolleyes:

[little blue]

well some people like to play with images that they have made, and some people like to play with their fonts in order to create their image, and then you have people who get their fix from using both of these mediums, and after visiting your site, i see that you have been able to this without using any of these attributes


give it up your just not cut out for it.


me good :D

[spufi]

Ok, let's compare sites. Here's yours in Lynx Viewer.

http://www.delorie.com/web/lynxview.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thesundaymonkeyclub.com%2F

Here's mine.

http://www.delorie.com/web/lynxview.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.matts-website.net%2F

Funny things happen when images go bye bye. ;)

[pyro]

If you weren't looking for construction criticism on your site, why did you post it? Had I know you weren't looking for any help with it, I would have considered it an advertisement, and simply deleted it reather than moved it here to the General section...

[little blue]

why the hell would anybody look for a website in lynx, a large percentage of my hits come from, yahoo, google, your losing the plot on what the internet is all about, i conform to knowbody, if i want to surround myself with meaningless rules, i'll wait till monday when i go back to work.

and in reply to your question can i not take criticism, ive spent the last 20 years working either in studios or workshops, producing models or working on cartoons, i have managed to work for some of the biggest uk companys, and im used to having my heart and soul ripped from my body.


im always open to constructive comment, but if all people want to do is throw *****y one liners , dont bother, what is this a chat room or a *****y one liners room.

www. world wide web, try and spend some time, thinking about what that means.


does everything have to have a rule book, i think not.

[nkaisare]

Originally posted by little blue
why the hell would anybody look for a website in lynx
Lynx was just an example. Try looking at your site using cellphone or PDA. Do we agree that PDAs are here to stay, and may become one of the important ways people browse. What about search engines? How will they index your pages if the only thing they can see is [inline], [inline], [inline].

but if all people want to do is throw *****y one liners
People here do not make comments to ridicule someone. You probably haven't stayed here long enough to see how many people spufi or pyro have helped. And for what - nothing. Nobody pays us. That my friend is creating your own rules.

does everything have to have a rule book, i think not.
Well then, think again.
A part of your code:
<img name="index_r4_c2" src="index_r4_c2.gif" width="103" height="33" border="0">
Thats a rule. You didn't write that as
<myfrigginimage>[dude display index_r4_c2.gif]
That itself is doing something by the rules :rolleyes:

[pyro]

Niket had a good point with the search engines. They rely more on the actual content on your site (ie. text!). Even meta tags are not used like they used to be.

Originally posted by little blue
im always open to constructive comment...Someone telling you to use a bit of text on your pages, rather than just splitting an image up, is constructive critisism... This would bring me back to my original question of "why did you post"?

[spufi]

Ok, let's actually take a walk through your site. I tested it in Mozilla 1.3 and IE 6 on a 1400X10500 resolution. I changed resolution sometimes just to check to see it would be just me seeing something funky. Granted a website should be coded for any resolution. I also have a 56K connection.

For the most part, intro pages are meaningless. All you really do is add another click for the user before they can get to the real content of your site. Think about it, look at sites that have a high amount of hits, yahoo, espn, cnn, and you won't see intro pages. Even if you kept it, why link to yahoo for the leave option? Yes, yahoo is a popular site, but it doesn't mean somebody leaving your site wants to go there. You could send them back one in their history so they go back to the previous page that they were on.

Having something like main.gif as your title does you no good. Put something like The Sunday Monkeys in there instead. The title tag is one of the most important tags. Use it.

The "This is an independant site..." part should be written as text and not within an image. This goes for much of your text on your site. Use text more and images much less and your site would be more friendly to lower speed connections.

The "Enter" links that are on top of your red bars with the blue arrows line up in IE. They do not line up in Mozilla. They are covering the text below it.

Frankly, your images for links like "films" look bad. "Films" looks like "firms," or "fims" with a mutated "m." The "k" in wanker really doesn't look like a "k." If you want to play around with fonts, fine. Make sure things are readable.

On your secondary pages, you don't have the name of your site anywhere. You go and add an oversized image giving the name of the section. Things like "ufo" can be added within the page as text.

Have a link to the home page near the top of your pages. In fact, the menu you have on your subsections should be that way for all of your pages.

Try to have your text links stay consistant. They are white on the main page. They are pink and yellow elsewhere. Yes, I understand the yellow ones are that way for a reason. I'm just not digging the pinks ones.

I said it before and I'll say it again. Major overkill on the images. Something like the area on the main page where you have all of you links could of had a background color of blue instead of being an image.

I'm not feeling the blue/green text on your pages for each of the "monkeys." Keep it consistant with the rest of your site and make it something like white.

Looking at some of the code. Validate your pages. Yes, this means learning, and going by rules. This will also help your site look good in more than just IE.

Why do you have a JavaScript code after your closing html tag, </html>?

Center your main area on the page and get rid of the margin above and below you main area.

Learn CSS and don't use tables for layout. I'm kicking the dead horse here, but I'll just mention it again.

Double check your code. I found things like this repeatedly on your site.

<font color="#FFFFFF"><b><font size="2" color="#CCCCFF"><a href="../dave/davepage/davepage.htm"><font color="#FFFFFF">ENTER</font></a></font></b></font>

Take about redundancy. You define the text as white only to change it to something else and then back again to white before you even use text in the first place. Using CSS simplifies that section of code even further.

I don't know if your JavaScript is basically repeated on most of your pages, but you could externally link to it and that would make looking at your code easier for you.

Well, I think that's enough damage for now. :)

[khaki]

just for the record (and for those of you who are not familiar with these types of pages)...

the pages to the linked site are Macromedia Fireworks generated pages.
It is all images.

No HTML is used to create such pages...
it is done via a graphical WYSIWYG app (and the app writes the code and slices the images together to make the page).

that is why there is no text...
and that is why it is meaningless to try to debug or critque the underlying code.

also... little blue states...
well were just screwing around ,
just letting the world know that we exist. ... I really don't think that he wanted an evaluation of the code so much as a reaction to the contents :rolleyes:

the site is what it is.
i don't think that there is any sense in trying to dissect it as anything more than just the content.
the fact that Fireworks was used should be the only clue necessary to understand that validation and proper scripting/coding is not the priority here.

sometimes people just play.
little blue (and his peeps) are just playing.
i don't think that it's necessary to try to convert every poster into HTML experts.....
sometimes we should just let people have fun :)

in my opinion :) ...
;) k

[spufi]

Yeah, I saw Fireworks mentioned in the code, but I don't have really any experience with it. What I'm seeing of it I don't want to either. ;) Technically it is not ALL images because there is text. Mostly with links, but it is there. I think my previous post covered just about everything, so I don't think I need to really add on to it even if they just wanted a reaction to it's contents.

[khaki]

Originally posted by spufi
Yeah, I saw Fireworks mentioned in the code, but I don't have really any experience with it. What I'm seeing of it I don't want to either. ;) Fireworks is okay for creating images and stuff (I use it for that)...
but it deserves it's bad rep for creating awful web pages.

and scarily, there are actually "professionally built" sites out there that were created using only Fireworks (yuck!!!).

That means that the only way to edit such a site would be to possess the PNG file that it was created in, and edit it from there (in Fireworks).
(since the page is essentially 1 big image).
If you don't possess the PNG file...
you have to start all over again from scratch.

In terms of WYSIWYG...
Fireworks is the easiest way to create pages (as well as the worst way).
Macromedia should have made Fireworks more powerful for creating and manipulating images (it's like a Photoshop light... very light) instead of wasting their efforts by building-in such a useless and crappy feature..
And they should be ridiculed and admonished for allowing Fireworks to pollute the internet with pages that are nothing more than giant images.

Fireworks is okay....
in the right hands.

otherwise...
it's just a toy :rolleyes:

just another 2 cents from me...
;) k

[little blue]

everybody seems to be taken what i have done far, far to seriously, does there have to be a reason for everything we do, if we dont have the knowledge to do something, should we not try.
this is my first attempt at anything like this, i have had my computer about 1 year now, and have only until recently started to use flash, fireworks, and dreamweaver.
all are extremely primitve, but i have used photoshop, illustrator before, to be more accurate 1982, when i worked as a graphic designer, a long time ago, just after pasteup died, which i loved a lot more than computers.
but still im drifting away from my answer.
if i was to give a reason for what i have done, i would say that it gave five friends something to do on a sunday evening,
well you can't play computer games all the time.
im signing of now, got a big contract coming up, rather a large hotel with private housing is been built in my home town of cardiff, and the company i work for has been given the contract, to build the model, two weeks to build it i believe, these companys a far to nice to us you know, a hole to weeks to build a 1:250 scale model of a, 27 story hotel complete with fiber optics, two months would be much nicer, and as work shop manager i may not be seeing daylight for a bit .
many thanks khaki, i wish you all the best with life.

peace. :(

[spufi]

And knowing more about Fireworks I can see why the info in the <title> tag was what is was. It's just funny because I was going through Google's guide for webmasters and Fireworks seems to go against so many things in making a page that's built for getting traffic. If I'm going to make a site with a heavy amout of graphics I'm going to use a text editor and Photoshop.

"if we dont have the knowledge to do something, should we not try.
this is my first attempt at anything like this"

Yes, you should try. The thing was you used just about the worst tool to do so. Next time you'll know enough to not use Fireworks and use Dreamweaver as your text editor. Trust me, my first web site was nothing to write home about either. I learned from it and became better.