Problem with frames

[Merla]

Hi,

I'm trying to create a site that looks like the following one: http://www.emmabodais.se/

There should be frames(must use frames since it's for my dad and he's comfortable with it and it will include lots of pages).

There should be a top frame(top.html), left frame(left.html), main frame(main.html) and right frame(right.html).
And it should be centered like it is on http://www.emmabodais.se/ so that it's possible to see a color background.

But I just can't figure out how to get the frames correct and centered like that.

Any ideas?

[abz]

why is he comfortable with using such an old, broken, unstable, unfavoured, unaccessible method of doing things? Is it a site for disability hating? If not then I strongly suggest you try to convince him otherwise.

You would not wash your clothes in a river, or use leeches to cure a cold, so why decide to use frames?
Its broken before it has even started

http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200411/who_framed_the_web_frames_and_usability/

[Merla]

haha, well he's not good at learning new stuff and not too clever when it comes to html.
And since he's going to use it for his local football team he wants lots of info on the right, left and top frames.. and wouldn't like to change every page if he changes some text in the right frame.

[abz]

you can get the same effect in many other ways. He doesn't need to know anything about HTML...you are making the site.

You can use Server Side Includes to display an external bit of html in your page, and not have to edit 100 pages to change 1 thing. If you do a google or delicious search for SSI, you will be flooded with info

[Charles]

I'll grant you that frames are yucky, but they're no more inaccessible than images. Like images they are a full and valid part of HTML, but they have to be handled with care.

To be honest, not using frames has become much easier than using frames -- and when you add the yuck factor none of the cool kids are using them anymore.

[Merla]

I see. So you also recommend SSI or? Is it tough to learn and use or?
Any good examples for how to use it as frames? Using 4 frames.

Thanks for your replies.

[Charles]

SSI is simple but limited, and I find the syntax inelegant. PHP looks nicer. But they both do the trick as do a number of other things. What you use will depend mostly upon what you have available.

[Merla]

Since I don't know PHP that's out a choice, unfortunately. But SSI is still good enough for just creating simple non-border "frames"?
Any other possibilities?