Why no Flash forum? [Archive]

Compguy Pete

07-28-2003, 10:24 AM

The main reason why is that there is an entire forum devoted to Flash at one of Webdeveloper's sister sites.

Flash Kit (http://www.flashkit.com/board/)

It's not out of the question that we could at some point get a small flash area if there was a large enough request.

piersk

07-28-2003, 10:25 AM

But you have a PHP forum when PHPBuilder (another of Webdeveloper's sister sites) is devoted to PHP.

PeOfEo

08-03-2003, 04:04 PM

I would say php is more widly used then flash in the world today. But thats just my observation. Flash makes things look nice and pretty but php has a demand because it is a powerful server side technology that offers a lot of functionality not just effects.

piersk

08-06-2003, 07:28 AM

Thats not really a valid reason is it. There is a CGI forum, but I'd say that ASP and PHP have kinda reduced the need to use CGI.

webHeretic

08-06-2003, 01:09 PM

PeOfEo,

You may want to check out Macromedia's site again. Flash MX is lightyears beyond the old Flash. This isn't your father's Flash.

Flash MX now supports OO coding and interfaces very nicely with Java, ASP, PHP, and .Net to enable the development of Rich Client Web applications (Rich Client functionality with virtually Zero footprint on the client machine).

Flash enhances PHP, ASP, Java, .Net etc. It doesn't just make things look pretty.

Flash has a dual personality:

Serious application developers can code in OO without using any of of Flash's animation tools.

Animators can still create incredible effects without coding (but the best do).

The GUI is just as important as the business logic created in PHP, etc. What good is a powerful business logic layer/tier if the user interface is cumbersome, slow or hard to use (e.g. the old mainframe interfaces of the 80's and the html interfaces of today).

Take another look at Flash.

PeOfEo

08-06-2003, 03:16 PM

piersk: CGI is still used a lot in the world today even though it is ageing I still see cgi.bin and cgi in query strings all over the place I think there is more of a cgi demand around here then flash even though php and asp are out.
webHeretic: Flash may be a very powerful and wonderful tool when used with other technologies but I was just saying I think there is more of a demand for server side technologies thats why we already have those forums. Also compguy already listed another webdeveloper forum devoted to flash.

webHeretic

08-06-2003, 03:50 PM

PeOfEo,

Got it. Sorry, just tired of hearing,"Flash makes things look nice and pretty." It make Flash sound like something to create eye-candy instead of the substantial web development tool that deserves respect.

piersk

08-07-2003, 08:09 AM

Originally posted by PeOfEo
piersk: CGI is still used a lot in the world today even though it is ageing I still see cgi.bin and cgi in query strings all over the place I think there is more of a cgi demand around here then flash even though php and asp are out.

However, this may be that they are running PHP out of their cgi-bin. I have come across a lot of companies and web hosts that still do this.

PeOfEo

08-07-2003, 06:03 PM

I am not so sure. I think cgi is still being used very widely even though it is an older technology. Plus once you have a forum why get rid of it.

piersk

08-08-2003, 02:40 AM

Why not just point people in the direction of PHPBuilder?

pyro

08-08-2003, 07:56 AM

The reason a PHP section was added here was because we were getting a fairly large number of PHP questions in the JavaScript and General sections. We brought it up to the administrators, and they decided to add a PHP section.

piersk

08-08-2003, 08:38 AM

Ok, fair enough.

brendandonhue

08-24-2003, 09:27 PM

CGI is not an aging technology at all. My web host just switched to running PHP as CGI a couple months ago. Maybe you are confusing CGI with Perl or something?

PeOfEo

08-24-2003, 09:36 PM

CGI is a considerably older technology then PHP ASP and JSP.

brendandonhue

08-24-2003, 09:47 PM

Whats wrong with older technology? Its had more time to progress. CGI is still useful and works very well.

PeOfEo

08-24-2003, 10:08 PM

eh... something about not being the latest and greatest. I have not used it myself, but I hear things about the syntax being annoying and it being hard to use. Any comments on that? I would say cgi is still widely used but since the creation of other server side languages people have moved away from cgi i guess.

brendandonhue

08-24-2003, 11:04 PM

Im pretty sure your confusing CGI with Perl. CGI is not a language. It is an interface for languages to communicate with the server (or something like that, im not an expert).

pyro

08-24-2003, 11:10 PM

Originally posted by brendandonhue
It is an interface for languages to communicate with the serverYep, that about sums it up...

PeOfEo

08-25-2003, 05:22 PM

But CGI goes hand in hand with perl, Perl is used to do CGI and they are both ageing technologies then.

pyro

08-25-2003, 05:26 PM

But Perl is still a very applicable web language...

brendandonhue

08-25-2003, 05:47 PM

CGI is not related to Perl. You can use CGI to interface with just about any language including PHP and I think ASP.

Jupac

08-25-2003, 08:34 PM

most people use perl or cgi cause most free host and some paid host only offer cgi or perl:D

AdamBrill

08-26-2003, 12:09 AM

Originally posted by brendandonhue
CGI is not related to Perl. You can use CGI to interface with just about any language including PHP and I think ASP. Well, considering that ASP isn't a language either... :p In that case, PHP isn't a full programming language either. ;)

Anyway, you must admit that CGI and Perl are used inter-changeably by most people. It's not that you couldn't use another language to write CGI programs, but about 99% of the CGI programs use Perl. I don't think I have ever seen one that didn't use Perl(besides a couple written in C...).

Originally posted by lakers01
most people use perl or cgi cause most free host and some paid host only offer cgi or perlWhere do you get your info from? :p There are free PHP servers EVERYWHERE nowadays...

Jupac

08-26-2003, 12:17 AM

Originally posted by AdamBrill

Where do you get your info from? :p There are free PHP servers EVERYWHERE nowadays...
ok 25%:D

Jupac

08-26-2003, 12:26 AM

i mean like geocities,tripod,angelfire,etc
u get the picture

PeOfEo

08-26-2003, 05:31 PM

I did not think those three host supported any server side technologies. Anyways I just was thinking if ASP uses vbscript ASP.NET uses C# and VB,, CGI uses PERL, and JSP uses java, and so on and so fourth why do we refer to them as server side languages? Wouldnt processes be a better term? Just one of those thoughts that I have everyonce and a while....

Jupac

08-26-2003, 06:16 PM

I use to use them and all exeptd geocities have cgi capibilty but not full like no sendmail

brendandonhue

08-26-2003, 06:26 PM

Thats true-ASP is similar to CGI in that its not truly a language either.

lakers01-you said that most people use CGI/Perl because thats what hosts offer. This is completely untrue. Do you have any evidence to backup that fact?

Im not sure if this has always been the case, but currently none of geocities, angelfire, tripod support Perl/CGI. Maybe they used to?

Jupac

08-26-2003, 06:37 PM

http://clickherefree.com/cgi-bin/webdata_FreeWebHosting.pl?cgifunction=Search&Active=Yes Out of 470 i would say 270/470

PeOfEo

08-26-2003, 09:06 PM

I dont aggree witht hat at all. I learned asp.net because it looks cool lol. I was going to learn asp, and I heard asp.net was the newer technology so I picked it instead. Then I decided on a host. There are many reasons why someone might pick a technology. Like I have heard on this forum someone say he picked php because the syntax was like that of java and java script. Also if you already know a language thats a big reason too. If you already know java why learn asp? You would use jsp because it uses java. One other reason I chose asp.net is because it uses vb and I have used vb for two years. People might access some cgi to make a form mail page or something like that but that does not mean they know how to do it either.

PeOfEo

08-26-2003, 09:10 PM

Originally posted by lakers01
http://clickherefree.com/cgi-bin/webdata_FreeWebHosting.pl?cgifunction=Search&Active=Yes Out of 470 i would say 270/470 This site is full of missinfo too. Webmatrix hosting was on there, thats what I use, only they said it host asp java php and does not allow you to use email. Thats a load of crap, my hosting is asp.net only and does give you smtp access.

brendandonhue

08-26-2003, 09:19 PM

And that page only shows that a lot of hosts provide CGI/Perl. It is not evidence that people only use CGI/Perl because hosts provide it. Maybe hosts provide CGI/Perl because a lot of people use it.

Jupac

08-26-2003, 10:32 PM

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08-26-2003, 10:37 PM

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pyro

08-27-2003, 08:01 AM

Originally posted by lakers01
...cause most free host and some paid host only offer cgi or perl:D Originally posted by lakers01
http://clickherefree.com/cgi-bin/webdata_FreeWebHosting.pl?cgifunction=Search&Active=YesLooking through the first 10 pages of hosts, showed me that 6 of those hosts support Perl but not PHP, but 19 support PHP but not Perl. I'm in no way saying that proves anything (results from a host listing could very easily be tainted) except that the example you gave to try to prove your point does the exact opposite...

PeOfEo

08-27-2003, 05:13 PM

Or the site info can be crap like I mentioned before, and what does this prove? It doesnt tell you how many people actually use a language all this list tells you is how many places hose this for free.

Jupac

08-28-2003, 12:30 AM

true,true

spykemitchell

09-18-2003, 04:02 PM

You know what....

Your all crazy...

PHP is great. Perl Is Great. ASP is Great. CGI is Great. HTML is Great. DHTML Is Great. There all great...

Without them you wouldn't have anywhere to moan about them....