Collegekid19
09-11-2007, 12:23 AM
Can learning PHP be financially rewarding? I.E. can PHP programmers make a lot of money?
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gizmo
09-11-2007, 02:24 AM
If it is your only skill, probably not. PHP should be one of many strings to your fiddle.
Collegekid19
09-11-2007, 02:32 AM
Gizmo... Could you tell me a few of the other "Strings" necessary on my "Skill Set Fiddle" to get me started making the big bucks?
Sorry to be so direct but I am frustrated with people avoiding the subject of money.
The bottom line is we all have to pay our bills. I just want to know if web development (something I seem to enjoy learning about) can ultimately allow me to do that.
Thanks for your Reply Gizmo!!
Sorry to be so direct but I am frustrated with people avoiding the subject of money.
The bottom line is we all have to pay our bills. I just want to know if web development (something I seem to enjoy learning about) can ultimately allow me to do that.
Thanks for your Reply Gizmo!!
katten
09-11-2007, 03:29 AM
Yes i would say php is very rewarding if you know (SQL,HTML,CSS,JAVASCRIPT,XML) and have good idea of how to make powerfull systems.
I'm 15 years old and i got a firm job att a company im making about 700$ a month for working an hour or two a day.
I'm 15 years old and i got a firm job att a company im making about 700$ a month for working an hour or two a day.
axiom82
09-11-2007, 04:22 AM
If you live in a city with many IT firms you could potentially make $45,000/year salary. You need to be an expert at... html, css, php, mysql. javascript is almost always required on an intermediate level. Make five professional websites for clients as an independent contractor and bulk up your resume...hit the city and you are gauranteed a $40 - 55,000/year job.
bokeh
09-11-2007, 04:48 PM
I just want to know if web development (something I seem to enjoy learning about) can ultimately allow me to do that.You are not going to get rich writing code. Even if you write better software than everyone else, who's going to know, after all most people judge it by the quality of the images on the box, which brings us to where the money really is in web development. If you want to make money in web development you need to be an artist and that is something you can't learn, you need to have it inside you.
Lots of coders (who aren't artists) think they can make money by telling clients that their code is standards compliant or accessible; well maybe they can at the bottom of the market, but no Fortune 500 company is going to listen to that nonsense, after all that stuff should be built in.
So are you an artist?
Lots of coders (who aren't artists) think they can make money by telling clients that their code is standards compliant or accessible; well maybe they can at the bottom of the market, but no Fortune 500 company is going to listen to that nonsense, after all that stuff should be built in.
So are you an artist?
gizmo
09-12-2007, 01:48 AM
Sorry, Collegekid19, I have been away, but I feel that other respondents have already answered your question. However, if you are not arty (like me), you may prefer coding, working for yourself and be content with a modest income. In that case, have a good understanding of the basics (I note many people on here ask for solutions to similar questions without understanding the reason for the problem), read some of the books recommended on here, keep notes and code snippets for future reference (get paid twice, code once :) )
axiom82
11-29-2007, 02:19 PM
Originally Posted by Bokah
You are not going to get rich writing code. Even if you write better software than everyone else, who's going to know, after all most people judge it by the quality of the images on the box, which brings us to where the money really is in web development. If you want to make money in web development you need to be an artist and that is something you can't learn, you need to have it inside you.
Lots of coders (who aren't artists) think they can make money by telling clients that their code is standards compliant or accessible; well maybe they can at the bottom of the market, but no Fortune 500 company is going to listen to that nonsense, after all that stuff should be built in.
So are you an artist?
Sorry, you don't have to be an artist to be wealthy as the topic pertains to website development. I have worked for two distinct companies, one was an internal office that required custom applications, the other was an internet agency which had many website clients. The starting salary range was between $32,500 - $45,000 per year for sitting on your butt writing application code that simplified business practices.
Also, plenty of internet agencies/web firms have a designated graphic designer. They designate jobs based on skill sets. Some programmers are making upwards of $65,000...so honestly, I don't want to see a message in my inbox again about my career path being a poor one.:p
You are not going to get rich writing code. Even if you write better software than everyone else, who's going to know, after all most people judge it by the quality of the images on the box, which brings us to where the money really is in web development. If you want to make money in web development you need to be an artist and that is something you can't learn, you need to have it inside you.
Lots of coders (who aren't artists) think they can make money by telling clients that their code is standards compliant or accessible; well maybe they can at the bottom of the market, but no Fortune 500 company is going to listen to that nonsense, after all that stuff should be built in.
So are you an artist?
Sorry, you don't have to be an artist to be wealthy as the topic pertains to website development. I have worked for two distinct companies, one was an internal office that required custom applications, the other was an internet agency which had many website clients. The starting salary range was between $32,500 - $45,000 per year for sitting on your butt writing application code that simplified business practices.
Also, plenty of internet agencies/web firms have a designated graphic designer. They designate jobs based on skill sets. Some programmers are making upwards of $65,000...so honestly, I don't want to see a message in my inbox again about my career path being a poor one.:p
knowj
11-29-2007, 03:59 PM
Yes it is worth it. but you need to be able to learn fast and move with the times. you also need to understand web development as a whole but specialize in a few areas.
I am no designer. But there is a large demand for developers in the UK at the moment especially with the web application boom we are having at the moment.
In London you can look at in excess of £35,000 if you have a few years experience and know the right stuff. But it is a competitive market.
In my opinion design can only make you so much and design work isn't repetitive you don't get the same sort of update , maintenance and support contracts. More and more companies are starting to join the e-commerce bandwagon.
But noone will ever become a millionaire being a monkey tapping keys. To head down that route you need to be very clever and have very strong aims and objectives.
I am no designer. But there is a large demand for developers in the UK at the moment especially with the web application boom we are having at the moment.
In London you can look at in excess of £35,000 if you have a few years experience and know the right stuff. But it is a competitive market.
In my opinion design can only make you so much and design work isn't repetitive you don't get the same sort of update , maintenance and support contracts. More and more companies are starting to join the e-commerce bandwagon.
But noone will ever become a millionaire being a monkey tapping keys. To head down that route you need to be very clever and have very strong aims and objectives.
bokeh
11-29-2007, 04:42 PM
to be wealthy [...] salary range was between $32,500 - $45,000 per yearWe're not suppose to discuss pricing on the forum but I'll say one thing; this is the first time I have heard of someone earning that little being referred to as wealthy.
blue-eye-labs
11-29-2007, 04:49 PM
I think Bokeh is probably right that you are more likely to make money being both a designer (artist) and a developer (coder), most clients don't really want to know that your code is really cool and does amazing things, I think they'd prefer to know that your really good code looked pretty. Since they don't understand the code, they will go by the results, and how the results look. I generally put design first, because I don't like things that aren't pretty.
It's fine to just be a coder if you work in a team, though, like with designated designers and developers, just as knowj said.
It's fine to just be a coder if you work in a team, though, like with designated designers and developers, just as knowj said.
Lubox
11-30-2007, 06:41 AM
If you want to make money in web development you need to be an artist and that is something you can't learn, you need to have it inside you.
This is not true. Or at least not true in all markets. You do not need to be an artist to be rewarded with big bucks as a web developer. I'm not an artist, I have people doing the art stuff for me, and I make a "load" of money. Of course, I do know how to open photoshop and play with pictures, but I'm not an artist. I do know that a navigator menu "here" is better than "there" and that it should be black and so on, but I'm not an artist.
Note that you cannot know only PHP - you need to know many other aspects of web developing like html, css, xml, sql, js etc. But I guess that if you're good with PHP, you are automatically good with the other necessary stuff.
This is not true. Or at least not true in all markets. You do not need to be an artist to be rewarded with big bucks as a web developer. I'm not an artist, I have people doing the art stuff for me, and I make a "load" of money. Of course, I do know how to open photoshop and play with pictures, but I'm not an artist. I do know that a navigator menu "here" is better than "there" and that it should be black and so on, but I'm not an artist.
Note that you cannot know only PHP - you need to know many other aspects of web developing like html, css, xml, sql, js etc. But I guess that if you're good with PHP, you are automatically good with the other necessary stuff.
bokeh
11-30-2007, 03:09 PM
You do not need to be an artist to be rewarded with big bucks as a web developer. I'm not an artist, I have people doing the art stuff for me, and I make a "load" of money.Ok, so you are a business man who makes a truck load of money playing the middle man between the artist and the client. Loose the middle man and we are back to the artist making the money.
knowj
11-30-2007, 03:50 PM
See the artist and the coder will get bye on a decent wage. but even the really good ones will never get rich.
The business man will get the money. Very few people get rich working for someone. But most people don't have what it takes to take the plunge and make it pay. You need to have business skill and knowledge of your industry. the monkeys developing and designing will never be the rich ones.
The business man will get the money. Very few people get rich working for someone. But most people don't have what it takes to take the plunge and make it pay. You need to have business skill and knowledge of your industry. the monkeys developing and designing will never be the rich ones.
Lubox
11-30-2007, 05:18 PM
Ok, so you are a business man who makes a truck load of money playing the middle man between the artist and the client. Loose the middle man and we are back to the artist making the money.
The artist (marketing graphical designer) and me (web developer) are both working for the same company. She has her clearly defined tasks, while I have mine. If they were to fire me, they wouldn't get pages/systems at all. If they were to fire both of us hiring an "artistic web developer" (who's got 3-4 years of higher education in graphical design and the same in programming?), they would not get as much value from that person as they do from the two of us in the same amount of time. By far.
The artist (marketing graphical designer) and me (web developer) are both working for the same company. She has her clearly defined tasks, while I have mine. If they were to fire me, they wouldn't get pages/systems at all. If they were to fire both of us hiring an "artistic web developer" (who's got 3-4 years of higher education in graphical design and the same in programming?), they would not get as much value from that person as they do from the two of us in the same amount of time. By far.
mlim
11-30-2007, 05:48 PM
Just ask Bill Gates, he started with programming Basic !!!
SyCo
11-30-2007, 06:04 PM
Sitting on your arse all day and making $50,000 is a pretty sweet living if you ask me.
I'm my life I've been an aircraft mechanic (8 years) earning 25,000 pounds in the UK, an ESL teacher in Japan for 3 years and saved a lot of cash due to low taxes, a full time street musician, a bartender, a wedding photographer (which I still do part time) and now I'm a programmer at which I've freelanced in the past and am currently employed as the lead developer at an online university.
I have a high school education and not a single piece of paper to my name to prove I can program anything. To be an ESL teacher you need a degree but there are ways round that, not strictly legit ;)
Yes PHP is worth it, you'll need HTML and CSS with a little Js to but as someone said you pick those up anyway as a necessity. It's a fine career if you want a tidy living and not too much hassle. Bigger money comes if you include networking and hardware knowledge. If computers are a big interest then you will do well. You have to have an enthusiasm for tech in most of it's forms or you'll die of boredom.
You have to find this joke funny
person 1 - make me a sandwich
person 2 - No
Person 1 - sudo, make me a sandwich
Person 2 - OK.
If you're not grinning then you might just scrape by in a purely microsoft environment. _shudder_
If you want a job where you finish a days work with a couple of hundred bucks in your pocket, dinner bought for you, free beer and an average of 5 phone numbers of random interested women, forget PHP and become a street musician. :)
Man I miss those days heh.
I'm my life I've been an aircraft mechanic (8 years) earning 25,000 pounds in the UK, an ESL teacher in Japan for 3 years and saved a lot of cash due to low taxes, a full time street musician, a bartender, a wedding photographer (which I still do part time) and now I'm a programmer at which I've freelanced in the past and am currently employed as the lead developer at an online university.
I have a high school education and not a single piece of paper to my name to prove I can program anything. To be an ESL teacher you need a degree but there are ways round that, not strictly legit ;)
Yes PHP is worth it, you'll need HTML and CSS with a little Js to but as someone said you pick those up anyway as a necessity. It's a fine career if you want a tidy living and not too much hassle. Bigger money comes if you include networking and hardware knowledge. If computers are a big interest then you will do well. You have to have an enthusiasm for tech in most of it's forms or you'll die of boredom.
You have to find this joke funny
person 1 - make me a sandwich
person 2 - No
Person 1 - sudo, make me a sandwich
Person 2 - OK.
If you're not grinning then you might just scrape by in a purely microsoft environment. _shudder_
If you want a job where you finish a days work with a couple of hundred bucks in your pocket, dinner bought for you, free beer and an average of 5 phone numbers of random interested women, forget PHP and become a street musician. :)
Man I miss those days heh.
SyCo
11-30-2007, 06:09 PM
Just ask Bill Gates, he started with programming Basic !!!
And moved on to stealing other peoples ideas. :rolleyes:
And moved on to stealing other peoples ideas. :rolleyes:
\\.\
11-30-2007, 06:09 PM
Hmmm, Bill gates may have started out in programming Basic and DOS systems but quickly advanced to theft of intellectual property which is largely what his empire is built upon.
SyCo
11-30-2007, 06:16 PM
10 PRINT "steal ideas and become rich";
20 GO TO 10
20 GO TO 10
MrCoder
12-20-2007, 07:34 AM
10 PRINT "steal ideas and become rich";
20 GO TO 10
10 PRINT "steal ideas and become rich"
20 GOTO 10
No space in GOTO and no ; at the EOL.
20 GO TO 10
10 PRINT "steal ideas and become rich"
20 GOTO 10
No space in GOTO and no ; at the EOL.
SyCo
12-20-2007, 08:51 AM
lol, you bloody geek. Give me a break, it's been 25 years!!!
MrCoder
12-20-2007, 09:17 AM
lol, you bloody geek. Give me a break, it's been 25 years!!!
Guilty as charged :D
Guilty as charged :D
SH100
12-20-2007, 09:51 AM
Lubox is right & in small ferms usually designer & developer are same person but as size of project increases number of people working on one website increases. For one publicly traded company we are team of 2 designers, one web site developer(me), one stored procedure creator(database). So what we all are talking hear all depends on size of website.
For collegeKid19 you are just thinking about learning php learn both design & developement for couple of years. Nature of IT jobs is one has to keep on learning new technologies always. And everybody in world tries to find out way to make big money who ever knows that formula is becomes one...
For collegeKid19 you are just thinking about learning php learn both design & developement for couple of years. Nature of IT jobs is one has to keep on learning new technologies always. And everybody in world tries to find out way to make big money who ever knows that formula is becomes one...
joseph_liu
07-18-2008, 09:45 AM
Don't chase money. If you love it, do it, and the money will come...and if it doesn't you still love what you do so how can you lose?
Lubox
07-18-2008, 02:01 PM
Don't chase money. If you love it, do it, and the money will come...and if it doesn't you still love what you do so how can you lose?
How do you pay for your food with love? Some special deal with the dude/dudette in the cash register? ;)
How do you pay for your food with love? Some special deal with the dude/dudette in the cash register? ;)
Tazzzzzzzzz
07-18-2008, 07:05 PM
The artist (marketing graphical designer) and me (web developer) are both working for the same company. She has her clearly defined tasks, while I have mine. If they were to fire me, they wouldn't get pages/systems at all. If they were to fire both of us hiring an "artistic web developer" (who's got 3-4 years of higher education in graphical design and the same in programming?), they would not get as much value from that person as they do from the two of us in the same amount of time. By far.
hii
i am with u 100%.
i am from egypt and i am new in php
but here in egypt php developer get a good salary .
hii
i am with u 100%.
i am from egypt and i am new in php
but here in egypt php developer get a good salary .
Znupi
07-19-2008, 01:30 PM
person 1 - make me a sandwich
person 2 - No
Person 1 - sudo, make me a sandwich
Person 2 - OK.
-bash: sudo,: command not found
Shouldn't have been a comma there :p. Anyway still brought a grin to my face :D Classic! :)
person 2 - No
Person 1 - sudo, make me a sandwich
Person 2 - OK.
-bash: sudo,: command not found
Shouldn't have been a comma there :p. Anyway still brought a grin to my face :D Classic! :)
felgall
07-19-2008, 06:32 PM
Just ask Bill Gates, he started with programming Basic !!!
That statement is misleading since the programming language that Bill Gates used to code in was Assembler. The most successful application that he wrote in Assembler was BASIC.
I don't think he ever actually wrote anything of significance in BASIC.
That statement is misleading since the programming language that Bill Gates used to code in was Assembler. The most successful application that he wrote in Assembler was BASIC.
I don't think he ever actually wrote anything of significance in BASIC.
metrouni
07-19-2008, 09:31 PM
So are you an artist?
Thats why I have a BA and a BFA. :)
Thats why I have a BA and a BFA. :)
XeroSiS
07-20-2008, 09:02 AM
in order to make alot of money you dont need to be the best designer nor best programmer you need a combination of the following:
1. Programming
2. Designing
3. Being Business Man
if you do not qualify in one of these fields you will not become rich! yes you can survive but wont become rich. so either learn them or hire someone to fill in the places that you cant fill and before you know it, your running a successful business.
1. Programming
2. Designing
3. Being Business Man
if you do not qualify in one of these fields you will not become rich! yes you can survive but wont become rich. so either learn them or hire someone to fill in the places that you cant fill and before you know it, your running a successful business.
donatello
07-20-2008, 01:54 PM
If you want to know what skills and jobs make money, go out and see what they pay in the real world.
For Europe, you can see the rates at JobServe (http://www.jobserve.com).
Go there and look up the skills you are interested in and you can see what the job offers pay.
If you want to make money coding, forget about webpages and learn a core banking system like Temenos T24. There is a shortage of people and everyone is making $500.00/day and up. A decent Business Analyst will make over 700 Euros per day. You will need to move around a lot but the pay is good. In London there are a lot of positions now paying 600 POUNDS per day.
If you want to make big money, write code and are not an artist, go to where the money is: Banking systems.
For Europe, you can see the rates at JobServe (http://www.jobserve.com).
Go there and look up the skills you are interested in and you can see what the job offers pay.
If you want to make money coding, forget about webpages and learn a core banking system like Temenos T24. There is a shortage of people and everyone is making $500.00/day and up. A decent Business Analyst will make over 700 Euros per day. You will need to move around a lot but the pay is good. In London there are a lot of positions now paying 600 POUNDS per day.
If you want to make big money, write code and are not an artist, go to where the money is: Banking systems.
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