Fx3 display problem

[Fang]

Anyone else using Fx3 seeing missing cell borders?
Even in -safe-mode it occurs, so it's not related to add-ons.

[Jick]

I haven't noticed anything like that... I'm using Firefox 3 on Ubuntu. Everything has seemed fine for me.

[Declan1991]

I haven't noticed that either. I'll watch out for it now.

[WebJoel]

Not sure what you're not seeing, but in Firefox 3 as this site loads, I get dozens of 'list-item circles' down the left-side of the page before the 'cells' load...then, they all disappear.
It is annoying in the most.
This could be from local settings I have turned-on, but it most annoying as I'm a bit prone to 'focus' on fast-moving visual queues.

It occurs so fast that I could have no hope of capturing it with the 'screengrabber' utility that I currently use.

[Fang]

...I get dozens of 'list-item circles' down the left-side of the page before the 'cells' load...then, they all disappear.I see that too; it's the internet.com menu at the top of the page. You are seeing the menu lists before css kicks in.

Solved the problem: uninstalled all 3 versions of Fx, deleted profile :eek: , reinstalled Fx3.
I had saved my profile with MozBackup, but it was corrupted :(

[David Harrison]

Here are two screenshots Joel, no styles on the left, partial load on the right.

I only get the dots down the side by doing a forced refresh though, so I'm unsure of why you'd get it every time.

[Fang]

A complete removal of Fx and profiles solved all these problems for me.

[WebJoel]

...A complete removal of Fx and profiles solved all these problems for me. I'm alittle rusty on this... how (step by step), did you do this?

but yes David, I get the 'partial load' as shown on the right, with every 'refresh' and every page-visit. I might dismiss for first page-visit, but I 'refresh' my browser often and the 'flash' is annoying..

[Fang]

Uninstall Fx and delete user files (an option during uninstall)
Warning! This removes all bookmarks, add-ons and browser user options.
Save your bookmark file and make a list of add-ons. Re-installing these is a 5min. job.
This does speed page loading and prevent rendering errors in css. What it doesn't completely prevent is the display of unstyled lists. This site has the worst problem with it that I've seen. Initially I thought it was Flash of Unstyled Content (FOUC) (http://bluerobot.com/web/css/fouc.asp/), but this is not the case. When no-cache is set, as with this site, Fx3 retrieves all files from the server. Setting ExpiresByType (http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_expires.html) would probably solve the issue, as css files do not often change. Whether this is a bug or strict adherence to the w3c recommendations I don't know.
I noticed that other users are finding the Fx3 cache control "buggy" for different reasons.

[WebJoel]

...I noticed that other users are finding the Fx3 cache control "buggy" for different reasons. I might just wait then for a Firefox 'update' to address this. I really don't need to mess-up my bookmarks again...

[drhowarddrfine]

Do you notice this problem only on this site? This site is not a bastion of coding quality.

[Fang]

Other site as well. Appears to be a cache related problem.

[WebJoel]

So far no, just here. But I DO have a problem with Craigslist and one or two other 'referring' sites that, when you respond to a post or ad and you click to launch e-mail, it launches the client (I use @hotmail.com), I get to the username/password part, submit, and it fails, with a 'try to connect with hotmail' or the other choice is 'report this problem to Miscrosoft' . Clicking the latter, seems to do nothing. clicking the former, launches hotmail correctly but the 'TO' that you were trying to write to, is not pasted in the "TO" field so effectivly, it is lost... I don't uqite know what to make it this, -whether to risk a 'rollback' to figure out what has changed.. or what to do. All of this seems to have begun when I 'upgraded' to Firefox 3... :confused:

[Fang]

I'm reverting back to Fx2, Fx3 is unstable and buggy; all the problems in the first post are reappearing. :(

[LeeU]

That's what I had to do. It's unfortunate, as it gives the "IE" feeling.

[David Harrison]

I've not run into any bugs of any sort with the new version, though there are a couple of behaviours I dislike.

One being the fact that it is now not possible to type in file upload boxes, for which I haven't bothered looking for a fix yet. It's annoying, just not enough to make me hunt down a solution yet.

The awful bar is a MAJOR one. The match behavior of the text is so very wrong. For instance, typing in "sc" should match "www.scan.co.uk" first (which I visit quite frequently), but instead that's way down the list, and first is "www.alienlovespredator.com" because that has the word "scream" in the page title. I NEVER want to search in the page title, I only EVER want to match the address of a page exactly as I started typing it, but sadly that isn't an option anymore so usually I end up typing most of the URL before the one I want finally gets found by autocomplete.

When I'm using the address bar, surely I'm not the only one who knows exactly where they want to go? If I don't know where I want to go I type into google. Now give me back my f$!%ing address bar.

[Declan1991]

I've had no problems at all with Firefox 3. What OS are you using it on?

[drhowarddrfine]

I'm reverting back to Fx2, Fx3 is unstable and buggy; all the problems in the first post are reappearing. :(
In the meantime, I have none of the issues on any of the 10 computers I run, except for this site, which makes me think it is the way this site is coded.

Happily running FF3 since beta1.

[JPnyc]

In the meantime, I have none of the issues on any of the 10 computers I run, except for this site, which makes me think it is the way this site is coded.

Happily running FF3 since beta1.
That may all be true, but one also gets the feeling that you would staunchly defend Firefox even if it were somehow guilty of mass murder.<-- caution: hyperbolic statement for the sake of making a point.
Everyone has been touting Firefox/gecko all along as being the only real standards compliant browser. If version 2 didn't have this problem on this site, and version 3 does, does this mean version 2 wasn't standards compliant?

[LeeU]

Well, forums across the Internet are full of people having problems with FF 3, and many reverting back to v.2. It's not just these forums. That would be a bit crazy as that would mean all vBulletin forums would have the problem and nothing else.

[drhowarddrfine]

Think about it. This page has 297 html errors and 22 css errors.

I am quick to defend FF because, in almost all cases, people's expectations are wrong. "It doesn't work like IE" or "I'm moving back to FF2 because I don't like the address bar". "It crashes every 15 minutes on Windows so I'm going to wait till FF3 becomes a stable browser."

Sheesh.

Forums are full of people going back to FF2? Do you know many people don't go to forums because everything just works?

Now here's a story for ya. My son, just this morning, finally put FF3 on his new Vista supermegalopolis gaming computer. (He's a procrastinator). He said, "I hate Firefox! None of my sites passwords work with it." My response? "What did you do wrong?"

You see how my first thought was he (or we) did something wrong. Going to a couple of my other computers showed the sites worked just fine on FF3 on my WinXP laptop and FreeBSD. So, what did he do wrong?

I set up another profile for him and it worked just fine. Uninstalled and re-installed it myself and it still works fine and he's totally happy with it now.

What went wrong? I wasn't there, I don't know. The point is, I suspect the way he installed it or something he had running when he did so. Because I've installed FF3 on all 10 of the systems I deal with and have no issues at all. I don't see the issue this thread is about on any site other than this one. And if such a bug exists that sticks out like a sore thumb, doesn't anyone think Mozilla would jump right on it? This isn't Microsoft, ya' know.

My brother, who's a sheet metal worker, just called. He and his family all have Firefox3 which he installed himself and has NO issues whatsoever with anything.

So anyway...

My point is that one should question, first, what could be wrong with their own house before throwing stones.

[David Harrison]

"I'm moving back to FF2 because I don't like the address bar"This sticks out like a sore thumb for two reasons. The first being that I didn't say it. The second being that it doesn't fit in with your point at all.

I didn't install Firefox wrong so that the address bar doesn't work properly, it's just a new "feature" that was horribly thought out with no way to revert back to the previous, working, address bar.

[Declan1991]

Well the Oldbar extension does that, but personally I don't see why you would want that. I like it, and I don't see any reason why you would want to change back.

Certainly for Windows XP, I've had no problems with Firefox 3, and this site still shows perfectly for me (as has every other site I know).

[David Harrison]

Well the Oldbar extension does that, but personally I don't see why you would want that. I like it, and I don't see any reason why you would want to change back.No it doesn't, it merely changes the appearence. I did use it for a while, but now I use the Old Location Bar plugin which does the same plus a little bit more.

There is currently no way to change the behaviour of the bar, merely the look.

[drhowarddrfine]

This sticks out like a sore thumb for two reasons. The first being that I didn't say it. The second being that it doesn't fit in with your point at all.

I didn't install Firefox wrong so that the address bar doesn't work properly, it's just a new "feature" that was horribly thought out with no way to revert back to the previous, working, address bar.
Wasn't talking about you.

[Declan1991]

There is currently no way to change the behaviour of the bar, merely the look.
You mean the inclusion of bookmarks? Isn't there a about:config change that does that? I never cared about it because it makes no difference to me. I really like the new one.

[David Harrison]

Declan, no, I meant in the way I described it in my post.

drhowarddrfine, I'm the only one who mentioned the address bar in this thread.

Incidentally, though I'm not about to switch, it crashed for the first time on me today while opening a page on wikipedia. After submitting a bug report and reopening all of the tabs, it proceeded to open the page just fine.

[Declan1991]

Declan, no, I meant in the way I described it in my post.
Sorry, I missed your post.

[JPnyc]

I'm posting this with FF three, I don't see any issues. No extensions loaded.

[drhowarddrfine]

drhowarddrfine, I'm the only one who mentioned the address bar in this thread.

Then I guess it was about you after all. :)

The behavior of the address bar can be modified, just like most everything in FF, using about:config.

YOu say the address bar isn't working but the problem is it doesn't work how you think it should work, not that it doesn't work at all.

[LeeU]

I mentioned about the forums and FF 3 because when Ubuntu Linux upgraded to 8.04, they made the mistake of including FF3. It caused all kinds of problems because, as Mozilla later admitted, they had screwed up the Linux version for a while. There may be a lot of people who did have problems; all I am saying is that, for the first time with FF, there was also a large amount of people who did have problems and moved back to v2 until Mozilla got it straightened out. I am an a staunch supporter of FF. We were just discussing that this version seemed to have been released a bit early in some cases.

Let's face it, when it comes right down to it, Mozilla is no different than Microsoft in that they need to make money. That will always be the factor in the end, e.g., DOS, Netscape, Linux. thankfully, they do seem to care about their product. Let's hope that continues.

In the end, remember ........ it's just a browser. There are far more important things in the world than a browser.

[JPnyc]

In the end, remember ........ it's just a browser. There are far more important things in the world than a browser.
Right. There's email programs.

[LeeU]

... and code editors.