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AdamGundry

10-20-2003, 01:59 PM

Yes. You could for example use ASP and an Access database. There are many different server side languages and databases available, you can use whichever you like.

Adam

Jona

10-20-2003, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by shmeeps
Is it possible to make a forum without using php or MySQL?

Are you meaning without a database at all, or did Adam already answer your question?

[J]ona

PeOfEo

10-20-2003, 04:32 PM

My forum is an example of one that doesnt use php... I used asp.net with access and mssql server for may data bases. My forum is not that great right now but It is a long term thing and I'll be working on it more in the future. Here are the main steam server side langauges that you might want use the following server side languages PHP, CGI, ASP, ASP.NET, JSP, CF. Data bases: MySql, MsSql server, MSDE, Access, Oracle, XML, Fox Pro, etc.
http://knights.europe.webmatrixhosting.net/forum/forums.aspx

shmeeps

10-20-2003, 05:55 PM

So, how do you make one with other scripting languages?

PeOfEo

10-20-2003, 07:34 PM

The principles are the same with each technology. You write code that updated or incerts data into a data base and then you write code to display it. All server side technolgies basically act the same way. I mean they have some difference but when you get right down to it their primary job is to access data bases and insert update and delete data from them.

shmeeps

10-20-2003, 09:59 PM

Are you meaning without a database at all, or did Adam already answer your question?
I'm trying to make one without a database because I'm on a shared server, so I don't know if it supports things like MySQL. Is there anyway I can check? I know it doesn't support mySQL and i don't think it supports PHP.

Jona

10-20-2003, 10:02 PM

PHP test:

<?php
echo("I am the Maru-Mari Master of PHP! Don't ask me what Maru-Mari is, though...");
?>

Save the above as test.php and open it up in your browser. If you see the text printed out, you have PHP support. As for what version you have, if you have a control panel system, you should look around for it.

[J]ona

shmeeps

10-20-2003, 10:05 PM

nothing showed up

Jona

10-20-2003, 10:07 PM

Is it online? If nothing showed up, chances are PHP isn't enabled on the server... If you right-click, select view-source and see the PHP code, it means that PHP wasn't called and no processing had taken place.

[J]ona

shmeeps

10-20-2003, 10:09 PM

yeah the source code popped up

Jona

10-20-2003, 10:12 PM

Then PHP is not enabled...

[J]ona

PeOfEo

10-21-2003, 01:27 PM

Check in the faq and contact the host and figure out what they support.

Jona

10-21-2003, 01:30 PM

If you paid for your hosting, email the admin and request that PHP be installed. If they don't install it for you, I'd get a new host. :rolleyes:

[J]ona

nkaisare

10-21-2003, 01:49 PM

I had once made a forum using cgi and flat text database. Its just more painful to use flat text. Query-ing is made much easier, faster, efficient and database is more "compact" if you use Access, MySQL etc.

shmeeps

10-21-2003, 05:15 PM

yeah I don't have a paid account, I don't know why though. Anyways which language would you suggest? (besides PHP and MySQL)

Jona

10-21-2003, 05:21 PM

You excluded PHP and MySQL? The "next easiest thing" would be to use ASP or ASP.NET... Personally, I don't like its syntax at all, so I'd use CGI, but that's a personal "conviction." lol.

I believe http://free.prohosting.com/ supports PHP, and I know they support CGI; also, www.compactvision.com supports PHP. They're both free, too...

[J]ona

shmeeps

10-21-2003, 05:36 PM

Ok, I made one at prohosting. Now what do I do?

Jona

10-21-2003, 05:51 PM

Run that PHP test again, to make sure it works.

[J]ona

shmeeps

10-21-2003, 05:57 PM

Prohosting doesn't support PHP. It does say it supports CGI though

Jona

10-21-2003, 06:00 PM

I haven't made a forum in CGI... Especially without a database. I was pretty sure they supported PHP, but I guess not. Well, in that case, can you try CompactVision? I know they work. ;)

If you sign up with them (you don't get a database), you can use the script I wrote that uses a flatfile database. See the "Forum building help..." post in the PHP forum (posted by spykemitchell). Download the latest .zip file and try it out. If you have any questions, just reply to that post...

[J]ona

shmeeps

10-21-2003, 06:02 PM

Thanks for the help, I'll try that in a minute.

Jona

10-21-2003, 06:07 PM

No problem. :)

[J]ona

shmeeps

10-21-2003, 06:30 PM

It says that compact vision has MySQL on it

Jona

10-21-2003, 06:47 PM

In which case you go to plan B. ;)

I haven't created a forum in MySQL yet (it's gonna be called AccessiForum (http://cmm.sonoracabinets.com/accessiforum/)), but you can use a free, open-source one called PHPBB (http://phpbb.com/), which stands for "PHP Bulletin Board." (And PHP stands for Hypertext preprocessor, in case you didn't know.)

[J]ona

PeOfEo

10-21-2003, 06:54 PM

Why don't you go to your host and ask them what they support. Why are you making new accounts? Just ebcause they do not support php does not mean they do not support asp or asp.net its all the server oc really. Do you know what operating system their servers are? Also if they support asp or asp.net but not sql server you can always use access because it uploads like a file. Access has its short comeings but it will do...

Jona

10-21-2003, 06:56 PM

Originally posted by PeOfEo
Why don't you go to your host and ask them what they support. Why are you making new accounts? Just ebcause they do not support php does not mean they do not support asp or asp.net its all the server oc really. Do you know what operating system their servers are? Also if they support asp or asp.net but not sql server you can always use access because it uploads like a file. Access has its short comeings but it will do...

Shmeeps, you can do whatever you want. :) If you choose to go with ASP or ASP.NET, then PeOfEo will help you. Right, Peo? :D

[J]ona

PeOfEo

10-21-2003, 07:03 PM

Sure, but I am just confused as to why there was a change in hosts when all we know about host 1 is they do not support php...??? asp and asp.net have their alternatives to phpbb. There is wwf (web wiz forums) there is easyforum.net and also there is .net nuke for asp.net. Sure if someone wants to use php this would cause a problem but if your not sure what your going to pick why not see what your host supports so you can potentially avoid the moving hassle or avoid tieing in more then one server for your site (I am a hippocrat about that, I tie in 4 servers, one is the one I do my asp.net and most o my hosting off of, the other is my file server, then I have 3 pages hosted on brinkster that I have always been too lazy to move and then my cursor is hosted on anglefire, again because I am too lazy to move it.

Jona

10-21-2003, 07:06 PM

Originally posted by PeOfEo
Sure, but I am just confused as to why there was a change in hosts when all we know about host 1 is they do not support php...??? asp and asp.net have their alternatives to phpbb. There is wwf (web wiz forums) there is easyforum.net and also there is .net nuke for asp.net

I didn't make him do it, I swear! ;)

Really, look up a few posts... I'm not trying to force him to use PHP...

Originally posted by Jona (me!)
You excluded PHP and MySQL? The "next easiest thing" would be to use ASP or ASP.NET... Personally, I don't like its syntax at all, so I'd use CGI, but that's a personal "conviction." lol.

[J]ona

PeOfEo

10-21-2003, 07:16 PM

Originally posted by Jona
I didn't make him do it, I swear! ;)

Really, look up a few posts... I'm not trying to force him to use PHP...

[J]ona BLASPHEMER! Lol. Click on the why asp.net link in my sig. It will change your whole outlook on it! It is propoganda but it is very logical propoganda and it sounds good :D

Jona

10-21-2003, 07:23 PM

Originally posted by PeOfEo
BLASPHEMER! Lol. Click on the why asp.net link in my sig. It will change your whole outlook on it! It is propoganda but it is very logical propoganda and it sounds good :D

I read it. It doesn't seem very convincing to me... I am going to learn it one of these days anyway, but for now... Linux server, PHP processing... lol. I want to learn CGI next. I would start learning ASP, but you have to *pay* for the executable files to install it... :( So, I guess I'll learn CGI first...

[J]ona

PeOfEo

10-21-2003, 08:42 PM

Who says you have to pay? Why learn asp though, it is put to shame by asp.net, asp.net can do all they asp can do with greater ease. asp.net is oo, the only other main stream oo scripting is jsp. But you really don't need to pay for w2k3 server per sey (sp?) I mean they are only going to care if you are making a bunch of money with it right? Also if you use msde it has almost as much functionality as mssql server and is practically free (It might be free I have not been following it)

Jona

10-21-2003, 09:06 PM

Where can I download the binaries for ASPX, then? I've looked, and I could only find ASP and it costed money... Money that I don't have.

[J]ona

PeOfEo

10-21-2003, 09:36 PM

It should come w/ w2k3 server, atleast I thought it did. It might be included in the .net framework, but I do not believe they are. You can get w2k3 on kazaa for free! Just dont tell anyone you did :)

Jona

10-21-2003, 09:51 PM

I have Abyss Web Server from Aprelium (http://aprelium.com/), and I am definitely not going to get KaZaa... lol. I don't download things from non-commercial or unpopular sites. Only stuff like Tucows or Download.com.

[J]ona

shmeeps

10-22-2003, 04:53 PM

So, how do I make a forum in ASP
And do you need a special program to make one with it?

PeOfEo

10-22-2003, 05:13 PM

have you checked to see what your server supports? We know your server does not support php, but it also might not support asp or asp.net, it could be running tomcat with jsp or something, you never know. Have you looked in their faq yet, or cantacted the admin? If it supports asp or asp.net it basically need to be some sort of windows nt operating system on the server (why would you want something that isnt nt?) Anyways that means it needs to be w2k, or windows server 2k3 basically. I have seen other servers like xp 64bit etc but they are not as common. If it turns out your host is not offering any server side language then pick whichever one suits your fancy and find a new host for it.

shmeeps

10-22-2003, 06:03 PM

I posted a question there to find if they do support it. I'll check it often.

shmeeps

10-23-2003, 06:53 PM

My host doesn't support ASP.net

PeOfEo

10-23-2003, 07:43 PM

Did you ask them a more open question like what do you support? They could support cgi jsp and asp still I mean we have only rules out two technologies. If it turns out they do not support any server side scripting you should then consider what you wish to learn and find a host that does support it. Do not stay with a host that offers you no functionality.

shmeeps

10-23-2003, 08:37 PM

So I should ask if they support server side langages?

PeOfEo

10-23-2003, 09:02 PM

ask this 'which server side languages if any do you support?
'. If they list any choose from them if they list none look around for a language that strikes your fancy and find a host that supports it.