luke0
10-21-2003, 06:46 AM
i want to start making games can u tell me wot programmes and how do i start.. thankx:o :o :o :o :o help me:p
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Khalid Ali
10-21-2003, 10:22 AM
Learn C/C++
Jona
10-21-2003, 01:25 PM
What exactly do you mean by "game"? If you're speaking of something like what you buy on a CD (for example, Red Alert 2: Yuri's Revenge), you'll need to learn C, C++ or C# (C is the first version, C++ has OOP overhead which makes it a little slower but much more capable and easier to use, C# is Microsoft's latest implementation of the language which helps clear up some memory leaks and can cut the code amount by about 40%). So there you have it...
[J]ona
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fyrestrtr
10-23-2003, 02:52 AM
In addition, you would need to know A LOT of math -- and I mean advanced math.
Plus some assembly.
Oh ... almost forgot -- a 3d rendering engine -- if you hope to create something in the likes of Quake, etc.
Otherwise, I suppose you can use DirectX.
Then again, if all you want to do is create flash games ... disregard my post.
Plus some assembly.
Oh ... almost forgot -- a 3d rendering engine -- if you hope to create something in the likes of Quake, etc.
Otherwise, I suppose you can use DirectX.
Then again, if all you want to do is create flash games ... disregard my post.
aoeguy
10-24-2003, 11:12 AM
Get Visual Basic
pyro
10-24-2003, 11:14 AM
VB? For a game? I think C is the best choice there...
aoeguy
10-24-2003, 12:05 PM
You could use VB, well thats the only p.l. i can help him with. I dont know any C(++) and dont want to learn any either. If you want help on VB/C++ you can look at this site:
http://visualbasicforum.com
http://visualbasicforum.com
AdamBrill
10-24-2003, 12:17 PM
Originally posted by aoeguy
You could use VB, well thats the only p.l. i can help him with.Well, I guess that means that you can't help him with games... :rolleyes:
To put it plain and simple, if the game is made in VB, I won't even have to go to your site to know that it sucks, the major reason being that VB isn't fast enough for a good game. Because of the way that VB is build, the most you could hope to get is a bad game(which would be good for VB). Especially if he is going to try a 3D game, it would be insanely slow running in VB... Even a complex 2D game would run very slow.
So if you want to make tetris, then you can try VB, otherwise use C/C++. ;)
You could use VB, well thats the only p.l. i can help him with.Well, I guess that means that you can't help him with games... :rolleyes:
To put it plain and simple, if the game is made in VB, I won't even have to go to your site to know that it sucks, the major reason being that VB isn't fast enough for a good game. Because of the way that VB is build, the most you could hope to get is a bad game(which would be good for VB). Especially if he is going to try a 3D game, it would be insanely slow running in VB... Even a complex 2D game would run very slow.
So if you want to make tetris, then you can try VB, otherwise use C/C++. ;)
aoeguy
10-24-2003, 12:26 PM
Its not my website :p :p
(*) / (*)
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pyro
10-24-2003, 12:37 PM
Originally posted by aoeguy
Its not my websiteNo, really? :p
Its not my websiteNo, really? :p
Jona
10-24-2003, 01:54 PM
Pyro, perhaps this thread should be moved to the General Forum...
[J]ona
[J]ona
aoeguy
10-24-2003, 01:56 PM
Correct, its not PHP any more than look out...
0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000001%
0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000001%
Jona
10-24-2003, 02:01 PM
That's like... .001 AMU's, aoeguy! :eek: It's not that off-topic, but I'm not sure why it was posted here...
[J]ona
[J]ona
pyro
10-24-2003, 02:03 PM
Quite right, Jona. It's been moved.
Jona
10-24-2003, 02:25 PM
Originally posted by AdamBrill
So if you want to make tetris, then you can try VB, otherwise use C/C++. ;)
If I recall correctly, VB also only runs on Windows machines (which have .NET installed), while C/C++ runs on any machine that has the necessary libraries. (Am I correct, ol' buddy? :D)
[J]ona
So if you want to make tetris, then you can try VB, otherwise use C/C++. ;)
If I recall correctly, VB also only runs on Windows machines (which have .NET installed), while C/C++ runs on any machine that has the necessary libraries. (Am I correct, ol' buddy? :D)
[J]ona
aoeguy
10-24-2003, 02:33 PM
No need for .NET
I have stupid OLD VB 5 :(
Im not that good at it anyway.
In making apps im like 6/10
In making HTML websites im like 9.9/10 :)
This is my best site:
http://bandits.clans.cc
I have stupid OLD VB 5 :(
Im not that good at it anyway.
In making apps im like 6/10
In making HTML websites im like 9.9/10 :)
This is my best site:
http://bandits.clans.cc
AdamBrill
10-24-2003, 02:35 PM
Originally posted by Jona
If I recall correctly, VB also only runs on Windows machines (which have .NET installed), while C/C++ runs on any machine that has the necessary libraries. (Am I correct, ol' buddy? :D)Hmm... That depends on what you mean by "runs on any machine". ;) You can write C/C++ programs for Linux, but C/C++ programs written for Windows won't run on Linux(I think there might be something to make them work, but then the Windows programs would be running through that program, slowing them down). And C/C++ programs won't run on a Mac, either, unless you have the program to do it(again, slowing it down). So, C/C++ programs really aren't that portable either. ;) Of course, if they run on Windows, they work for a major majority of the users. :)
If I recall correctly, VB also only runs on Windows machines (which have .NET installed), while C/C++ runs on any machine that has the necessary libraries. (Am I correct, ol' buddy? :D)Hmm... That depends on what you mean by "runs on any machine". ;) You can write C/C++ programs for Linux, but C/C++ programs written for Windows won't run on Linux(I think there might be something to make them work, but then the Windows programs would be running through that program, slowing them down). And C/C++ programs won't run on a Mac, either, unless you have the program to do it(again, slowing it down). So, C/C++ programs really aren't that portable either. ;) Of course, if they run on Windows, they work for a major majority of the users. :)
Jona
10-24-2003, 02:41 PM
Originally posted by aoeguy
In making HTML websites im like 9.9/10 :)
This is my best site:
http://bandits.clans.cc
Try running that site through the W3C validator (http://validator.w3.org/)...
Adam, I meant that you can use C/C++/C# to write a program for any OS, whereas with VB you can only write programs for Windows... Is that correct?
[J]ona
In making HTML websites im like 9.9/10 :)
This is my best site:
http://bandits.clans.cc
Try running that site through the W3C validator (http://validator.w3.org/)...
Adam, I meant that you can use C/C++/C# to write a program for any OS, whereas with VB you can only write programs for Windows... Is that correct?
[J]ona
aoeguy
10-24-2003, 02:59 PM
It says no doctype specified, but in my page there is a doctype thingy
Jona
10-24-2003, 03:02 PM
Originally posted by aoeguy
It says no doctype specified, but in my page there is a doctype thingy
When I view the source code, I see no doctype specified.
[J]ona
It says no doctype specified, but in my page there is a doctype thingy
When I view the source code, I see no doctype specified.
[J]ona
AdamBrill
10-24-2003, 03:09 PM
Originally posted by Jona
Adam, I meant that you can use C/C++/C# to write a program for any OS, whereas with VB you can only write programs for Windows... Is that correct?That sounds about right. I've never heard of being able to run a VB program on anything else(the only way you might be able to do it is through one of those programs for that, but, like I said, they are normally kind of slow).
aoeguy, your site gave me 300 errors with the XHTML 1.1 DocType in the right spot...
Adam, I meant that you can use C/C++/C# to write a program for any OS, whereas with VB you can only write programs for Windows... Is that correct?That sounds about right. I've never heard of being able to run a VB program on anything else(the only way you might be able to do it is through one of those programs for that, but, like I said, they are normally kind of slow).
aoeguy, your site gave me 300 errors with the XHTML 1.1 DocType in the right spot...
aoeguy
10-24-2003, 03:18 PM
Errm.. Whats the Error 300?
300 = ?????
403 = forbiddon
404 = Page not found
405 = CGI-Script somthing??
500 = Server config wrong
@Jona
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd"> is in top of page in <head>
300 = ?????
403 = forbiddon
404 = Page not found
405 = CGI-Script somthing??
500 = Server config wrong
@Jona
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd"> is in top of page in <head>
Jona
10-24-2003, 03:28 PM
Originally posted by aoeguy
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd"> is in top of page in <head>
That should be the first line in your code, it doesn't belong in the head tag.
[J]ona
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd"> is in top of page in <head>
That should be the first line in your code, it doesn't belong in the head tag.
[J]ona
AdamBrill
10-24-2003, 03:30 PM
Originally posted by aoeguy
Errm.. Whats the Error 300?
300 = ?????
403 = forbiddon
404 = Page not found
405 = CGI-Script somthing??
500 = Server config wrongLOL, no... I mean that the validator found 300 errors on your site, not that I got a 300 error when trying to access your site. ;)
Errm.. Whats the Error 300?
300 = ?????
403 = forbiddon
404 = Page not found
405 = CGI-Script somthing??
500 = Server config wrongLOL, no... I mean that the validator found 300 errors on your site, not that I got a 300 error when trying to access your site. ;)
aoeguy
10-24-2003, 03:31 PM
Yeah, but waht is error 300? I know there is no error gettin' on it :p
pyro
10-24-2003, 03:44 PM
Originally posted by aoeguy
In making HTML websites im like 9.9/10<rant>I can only assume after seeing that site (and it's accompying source code) that you meant 9.9/10 out of 100. As Adam and Jona have pointed out, it does not validate, and from an asthetic stand point, it's not a "10" site (I'm assuming now that you meant for 10 to be the highest/best). Guess it's just a pet-peeve of mine when people start going off on how good they think they are...</rant>
In making HTML websites im like 9.9/10<rant>I can only assume after seeing that site (and it's accompying source code) that you meant 9.9/10 out of 100. As Adam and Jona have pointed out, it does not validate, and from an asthetic stand point, it's not a "10" site (I'm assuming now that you meant for 10 to be the highest/best). Guess it's just a pet-peeve of mine when people start going off on how good they think they are...</rant>
aoeguy
10-24-2003, 03:50 PM
In design
pyro
10-24-2003, 03:54 PM
Does that mean you were giving yourself highest rating in design?
spufi
10-24-2003, 08:10 PM
Originally posted by aoeguy
In making HTML websites im like 9.9/10 :)
This is my best site:
http://bandits.clans.cc
I'll be kind and give you a five. ;) I didn't even look at the code, and there are a number of things I would change from a pure design level.
If you want to talk about cross OS games, look at Java. Too bad Java games and speed are like oil and water.
In making HTML websites im like 9.9/10 :)
This is my best site:
http://bandits.clans.cc
I'll be kind and give you a five. ;) I didn't even look at the code, and there are a number of things I would change from a pure design level.
If you want to talk about cross OS games, look at Java. Too bad Java games and speed are like oil and water.
AdamBrill
10-24-2003, 08:36 PM
Originally posted by spufi
If you want to talk about cross OS games, look at Java. Too bad Java games and speed are like oil and water. Yeah... :( I was reading an article a little while ago written by some Java Developers and they say they're trying to get it faster. According to them, it is going to be really fast, but we'll see. :) One problem with Java is it hasn't really been tested on any huge projects, so no one knows if it will hold up even if it would be fast enough... hmm.. It's food for thought, at least. ;)
If you want to talk about cross OS games, look at Java. Too bad Java games and speed are like oil and water. Yeah... :( I was reading an article a little while ago written by some Java Developers and they say they're trying to get it faster. According to them, it is going to be really fast, but we'll see. :) One problem with Java is it hasn't really been tested on any huge projects, so no one knows if it will hold up even if it would be fast enough... hmm.. It's food for thought, at least. ;)
Sux0rZh@jc0rz
10-24-2003, 10:31 PM
the largest i've seen done with java is only 12K lines of code... a indepth macro for a game called AsheronsCall.... Im sure theirs larger but it runs pretty damned fast. It's amazing what you can do on the internet now a days... The game is an indepth midevil world similiar to EverQuest but less cartoonish. looks very realistic and there are places on dereth that you may never see, but are worth seeing. there is so much content in AC it amazes me. I played the game for 2 and half years through the best and the worst, (sadly, the worst is near the end of the 2 and half years due to a buncha high levels ruining the game, sucking all the life out of turbine while lower levels dont see much added except shiney trinkets and one major quest each month). Anyways.. there are parts in the game where I would go and watch the sun set over the ocean, watch drudges(monsters that look like human cats) dance... and just chill out listening to the frogs and bee's buzzing around. my favorite spot is near a waterfall... I could just sit there and stare at the magnificience of it... Truely the best the internet ever gave me. *oops* ranting... anyways, the Java code makes the person seem like a real person. AI to the max. they even talk and do things you'd think only a human could do. say specific things triggered by advanced events, and interact with all loads of stuff. Truely a masterpiece of work.
AdamBrill
10-24-2003, 11:06 PM
I can't believe I just read a post about the speed of a Java Applets... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Please say you wrote that just to try to be funny...
Please say you wrote that just to try to be funny...
Jeff Mott
10-24-2003, 11:42 PM
Hmm... That depends on what you mean by "runs on any machine". You can write C/C++ programs for Linux, but C/C++ programs written for Windows won't run on Linux(I think there might be something to make them work, but then the Windows programs would be running through that program, slowing them down). And C/C++ programs won't run on a Mac, either, unless you have the program to do it(again, slowing it down). So, C/C++ programs really aren't that portable either. Of course, if they run on Windows, they work for a major majority of the users.C/C++ code can bey very portable, but a compiled binary is not. For example, the code for a hello world program can be moved to any machine with a C/C++ compiler and executed.Yeah, but waht is error 300? I know there is no error gettin' on itHypertext Transfer Protocol -- HTTP/1.1
300 Multiple Choices
The requested resource corresponds to any one of a set of representations, each with its own specific location, and agent- driven negotiation information (section 12) is being provided so that the user (or user agent) can select a preferred representation and redirect its request to that location.
300 Multiple Choices
The requested resource corresponds to any one of a set of representations, each with its own specific location, and agent- driven negotiation information (section 12) is being provided so that the user (or user agent) can select a preferred representation and redirect its request to that location.
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