ColdSteel
11-25-2003, 04:33 PM
Okay here's a new poll that I was wondering about....What's the advice of the pros to the younger webdevelopers?
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PeOfEo
11-25-2003, 05:04 PM
If you want to learn do some probono work for school clubs and church groups....
FishyMonkey78
11-25-2003, 05:09 PM
Well, I am a younger developer, being thirteen, so what I am doing is learning quietly, but seizing opportunities when I can. For example:
My dad asked me to make a website for his company. (He owns it, he is the only one it. He hires people. It's weird.) I said hell yes! Good opportunity to really see what I know.
1and1's offer for a free website for three years is something I immediately jumped on.
My dad asked me to make a website for his company. (He owns it, he is the only one it. He hires people. It's weird.) I said hell yes! Good opportunity to really see what I know.
1and1's offer for a free website for three years is something I immediately jumped on.
toicontien
11-26-2003, 02:00 AM
Get some free web space and play around with it. Constantly redesign. Critique your favorite sites and keep an eye out for design techniques that major web sites use.
Right-click > View Source should be your best friend. Not just for "stealing" code, but taking a look at other people's markup and decifering how they made a page that perks your interest.
Go to www.w3schools.com and learn HTML properly. Use Notepad, HTML Kit, Max's HTML Beauty ++ME (but disable the splash screen because it has n*ked ladies on it. Otherwise a great editor).
DON'T USE FRONTPAGE OR DREAMWEAVER UNTIL YOU KNOW HTML
Once you know HTML, learn CSS at w3schools.com. Then head to http://www.alistapart.com/ to really dig into CSS. Go to http://www.deviantart.com/ to just get yourself into the graphic design mode. Photoshop roadmap is worth checking out too (http://www.photoshoproadmap.com/)
Free software is your best friend.
Download the Gimp (http://www.gimp.org/). It's an open source graphics and photo editor. Like photoshop, just not as user-friendly.
Download every darn browser you can. In fact, I found a site that claims to allow you to install numerous versions of IE on one computer on the same operating system:
http://www.insert-title.com/web_design/?page=articles/dev/multi_IE
Do pro bono work for family, close friends and churches once you know HTML and CSS and are able to create pages WITHOUT Frontpage or Dreamweaver. Get a CD burner. If you're in college, take advantage of your academic discount at your bookstore. Buy photoshop. Buy Flash this way too. Wait until the end of the year, you'll get bigger discounts. It's even better when Adobe and Macromedia come out with updated versions of their products. Books stores will slash prices on the "outdated" versions. I picked up Dreamweaver 4 at CMU's book store in exchange for Andrew Jackson and Alexander Hamilton. And maybe a few Lincolns thrown in for good measure.
Right-click > View Source should be your best friend. Not just for "stealing" code, but taking a look at other people's markup and decifering how they made a page that perks your interest.
Go to www.w3schools.com and learn HTML properly. Use Notepad, HTML Kit, Max's HTML Beauty ++ME (but disable the splash screen because it has n*ked ladies on it. Otherwise a great editor).
DON'T USE FRONTPAGE OR DREAMWEAVER UNTIL YOU KNOW HTML
Once you know HTML, learn CSS at w3schools.com. Then head to http://www.alistapart.com/ to really dig into CSS. Go to http://www.deviantart.com/ to just get yourself into the graphic design mode. Photoshop roadmap is worth checking out too (http://www.photoshoproadmap.com/)
Free software is your best friend.
Download the Gimp (http://www.gimp.org/). It's an open source graphics and photo editor. Like photoshop, just not as user-friendly.
Download every darn browser you can. In fact, I found a site that claims to allow you to install numerous versions of IE on one computer on the same operating system:
http://www.insert-title.com/web_design/?page=articles/dev/multi_IE
Do pro bono work for family, close friends and churches once you know HTML and CSS and are able to create pages WITHOUT Frontpage or Dreamweaver. Get a CD burner. If you're in college, take advantage of your academic discount at your bookstore. Buy photoshop. Buy Flash this way too. Wait until the end of the year, you'll get bigger discounts. It's even better when Adobe and Macromedia come out with updated versions of their products. Books stores will slash prices on the "outdated" versions. I picked up Dreamweaver 4 at CMU's book store in exchange for Andrew Jackson and Alexander Hamilton. And maybe a few Lincolns thrown in for good measure.
ramon_marett
11-26-2003, 05:45 AM
If you have a copy of Dreamweaver at school then I think you should try and learn it. I can understand why people say learn HTML first, but that can be a bit daunting and may put you off.
There is a HTML editor within Dreamweaver and there are some excellent Tutorials to get you started. It will really be good for you if you can start Dreamweaver at an early age.
There is a HTML editor within Dreamweaver and there are some excellent Tutorials to get you started. It will really be good for you if you can start Dreamweaver at an early age.
iniquity101
11-26-2003, 05:50 AM
my school "cant afford dreamweaver" :mad: (its more like the teachers wouldnt know how to use it)
ColdSteel
11-26-2003, 01:32 PM
BTW....
Just because the pro's tell me not to do things for cheap doesn't mean that I am going to....You see here's my situation....I have on site on the web (Real estate site for my grandparents), and I am seeking more experience....I have worked for a few months on a site and some faux sites to show potential....I am going to give quality webdesign for free....and have a forum on the site...The main reason that it is going to be for free is that I can't legally get more than 600.00 dollars a year without registering as a businses, and such....but I can have a donations page if people wish to donate money towards my time....plus, all I ask for is a refferal....Just wondering what you pro's thought of it....your opinion...for that is what it is to every person....
Just because the pro's tell me not to do things for cheap doesn't mean that I am going to....You see here's my situation....I have on site on the web (Real estate site for my grandparents), and I am seeking more experience....I have worked for a few months on a site and some faux sites to show potential....I am going to give quality webdesign for free....and have a forum on the site...The main reason that it is going to be for free is that I can't legally get more than 600.00 dollars a year without registering as a businses, and such....but I can have a donations page if people wish to donate money towards my time....plus, all I ask for is a refferal....Just wondering what you pro's thought of it....your opinion...for that is what it is to every person....
soccer362001
11-26-2003, 01:38 PM
For all you new people around I would recommend that you learn everything the correct way. Like using CSS for layout and not Tables. And make sure you make everything accessible. As a matter of fact my boss, aka. Jona, gets mad at me when i use table for layout.
ramon_marett
11-26-2003, 01:42 PM
I wouldn't mind taking a look at the site if you write down the web address.
I don't think people visiting the site would be willing to make a donation because that's not why they're at the site. They are there to look at real estate not your design skills. (If you see what I mean).
Why don't you charge $50 for a site, it means you can do one a month and it's a little bit of money in your pocket.
I don't think people visiting the site would be willing to make a donation because that's not why they're at the site. They are there to look at real estate not your design skills. (If you see what I mean).
Why don't you charge $50 for a site, it means you can do one a month and it's a little bit of money in your pocket.
ColdSteel
11-26-2003, 01:47 PM
I'll think about what you said about $50.00 dollars per one...I am not finished with the site yet, but I do have it in a temporary server....here's the link...BTW, if you view s-jproperties site, it is right now going through a total redesign...oh, heres the link WebDevEX (http://www.s-jproperties.com/WebDevEX/WebDev.htm) ...
ramon_marett
11-26-2003, 01:51 PM
That's a nice site mate, I like the way the buttons pop up. I can see how a donations section on that particular site might work well as it's a personal site for yourself.
ColdSteel
11-26-2003, 01:53 PM
BTW, I have Studio MX and I know Dreamweaver and Fireworks pretty well, and am learning Flash....I started with plain ol' notepad with Html...went to Javascript, and then bought Studio....Actually though, the language that I started with was Visual Basic 6, but I don't do too much in that now adays...every once and a while I might make a program for myself.....but never made a program for someone else...
ColdSteel
11-26-2003, 01:56 PM
Thanks, glad you like the layout...I should be done pretty soon with it...yeah, It's more like a personal site, to do offer beyond mediocre web-design for free...to sortof build up some referrals so that I can get a list of refferals by the time I am an adult and have enough capital to start a company....
Sux0rZh@jc0rz
11-26-2003, 04:41 PM
Originally posted by ColdSteel
I'll think about what you said about $50.00 dollars per one...I am not finished with the site yet, but I do have it in a temporary server....here's the link...BTW, if you view s-jproperties site, it is right now going through a total redesign...oh, heres the link WebDevEX (http://www.s-jproperties.com/WebDevEX/WebDev.htm) ...
wait... is that your website or is it a redesign your doing for someone else?
I'll think about what you said about $50.00 dollars per one...I am not finished with the site yet, but I do have it in a temporary server....here's the link...BTW, if you view s-jproperties site, it is right now going through a total redesign...oh, heres the link WebDevEX (http://www.s-jproperties.com/WebDevEX/WebDev.htm) ...
wait... is that your website or is it a redesign your doing for someone else?
Sux0rZh@jc0rz
11-26-2003, 04:42 PM
just wondering cause at the bottom of the page it says copyright Kevin M. Steele... where do you live? cause i think your related to me=P
ColdSteel
11-26-2003, 07:27 PM
Yes, the site is my own....and I am not going to have a free webspace with freewebz or anything...I am going to have my own domain...I think it's worth the money....Check it out again...I've updated it with my changes that I have to the home site so far...I also have the who I am section done also....Uh, Sux0rZh@jc0rz, I live in Virginia.....Why...what's your last name? BTW, it doesn't say copyright...hehe, but it gives the person the idea that it is...to copyright something costs money...:D ...and at this age I don't have that much capital....
pyro
11-26-2003, 09:01 PM
Originally posted by ColdSteel
to copyright something costs moneyNo, it does not. Content that one creates is automatically copyrighted to the individual who created it.
http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html#wccc
BTW, you might want to take a look at your site in a Gecko browser...
to copyright something costs moneyNo, it does not. Content that one creates is automatically copyrighted to the individual who created it.
http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html#wccc
BTW, you might want to take a look at your site in a Gecko browser...
soccer362001
11-26-2003, 09:04 PM
Wow thats cool. I didn't know that.
Paul Jr
11-26-2003, 09:11 PM
Originally posted by pyro
...BTW, you might want to take a look at your site in a Gecko browser...
Yeah... might wanna do that...
...BTW, you might want to take a look at your site in a Gecko browser...
Yeah... might wanna do that...
Sux0rZh@jc0rz
11-27-2003, 12:24 AM
I live in Ohio... Steele be my last name. like urs... and you don't see to many people with the last name steele. yet alone with the e on the end.
(except that one british soap opera lady... Dawn Steele..)
I was just wondering cause i have like no relatives with the name Steele.
(my dads divorced and his stepdad was the person he grew up with who has an italian last name.. so all of my relatives are italians... and knapps... my stepdads last name... not to many steeles... like my dad, grandpa, and grandma. that's it.)
anyways.. i'd like to see which tree you are under to see if ur actually a close relative.. my grandma and grandpa are named EVE and PAUL if you know them. ask your parents too!
(except that one british soap opera lady... Dawn Steele..)
I was just wondering cause i have like no relatives with the name Steele.
(my dads divorced and his stepdad was the person he grew up with who has an italian last name.. so all of my relatives are italians... and knapps... my stepdads last name... not to many steeles... like my dad, grandpa, and grandma. that's it.)
anyways.. i'd like to see which tree you are under to see if ur actually a close relative.. my grandma and grandpa are named EVE and PAUL if you know them. ask your parents too!
ColdSteel
11-27-2003, 07:37 AM
Sux0rZh@jc0rz,
I guess there is a possibility that your related...but in our area phonebok there are like over 12 different Steeles that I have never heard of....but I guess it's a possiblity...my grandparent's names are Steve and Judi.....if that rings a bell or not...but Eve and Paul doesn't...there are quite a few Steeles in the world....BTW, on the Steele side of my family, they are mostly Irish, and ScotshIrish...so...I dont' know...That's great about copyright...I didn't know that...and I'l check it out in a Gecko browser....thanks all....
I guess there is a possibility that your related...but in our area phonebok there are like over 12 different Steeles that I have never heard of....but I guess it's a possiblity...my grandparent's names are Steve and Judi.....if that rings a bell or not...but Eve and Paul doesn't...there are quite a few Steeles in the world....BTW, on the Steele side of my family, they are mostly Irish, and ScotshIrish...so...I dont' know...That's great about copyright...I didn't know that...and I'l check it out in a Gecko browser....thanks all....
ColdSteel
11-27-2003, 07:39 AM
Oh, Happy Thanksgiving everyone...:D
DaveSW
11-27-2003, 09:46 AM
You might also want to check out your page at a lower screen resolution ColdSteel...
*gives oldtimer type advice*
*gives oldtimer type advice*
Sux0rZh@jc0rz
11-27-2003, 11:22 AM
Originally posted by ColdSteel
on the Steele side of my family, they are mostly Irish, and ScotshIrish...so...I dont' know...
Baha! same here! Irish & Scotish. Ian's the name, Irish be my game. born on St. Patty's too. hehehe.
on the Steele side of my family, they are mostly Irish, and ScotshIrish...so...I dont' know...
Baha! same here! Irish & Scotish. Ian's the name, Irish be my game. born on St. Patty's too. hehehe.
toicontien
11-27-2003, 08:31 PM
After reading some posts on this forum where the spelling and grammar were atrocious, buy a dictionary. Not to say that people write that bad for sites they design, but concise writing and proper spelling are essential. Web sites need to communicate something, and as a designer, you are the one communicating the message. Learning to write is half the battle.
Bookmark http://www.dictionary.com/. It also wouldn't hurt to get an Associated Press Style book. You don't have to adhere to it as closely as journalists do, but most every P.R. and marketing firm in the US uses a variation of AP style.
PS: No offense to those who don't spell check their posts. I realize this is just a forum :)
And it's not like spelling adn grammer errorS nevER sneek intwo my posts,
And Happy Thanksgiving!
Bookmark http://www.dictionary.com/. It also wouldn't hurt to get an Associated Press Style book. You don't have to adhere to it as closely as journalists do, but most every P.R. and marketing firm in the US uses a variation of AP style.
PS: No offense to those who don't spell check their posts. I realize this is just a forum :)
And it's not like spelling adn grammer errorS nevER sneek intwo my posts,
And Happy Thanksgiving!
ColdSteel
11-29-2003, 10:36 AM
I'm going to be creating either a redirect script, or display certain sized images depending on the resolution...as of now my site won't look right on 800x600...thnx...
A Falling Bomb
11-29-2003, 11:24 AM
Hey everyone, I'm glad to see that I'm not the only young one in this community. I'm 14 years old, and in ninth grade. I have been very interested in Web design for about a year now. I started with just plain old HTML coding on Notepad, and then eventually experimented a little with JavaScript, but ended up not liking the language. So now I've been using Dreamweaver MX 2004 a lot, to make all my sites. I think it is an awesome program, and I've made multiple sites with it now. In fact, using DW has greatly refreshed my memory of HTML if anything. I've learned things through DW that I don't think I would have ever learned by just studying endless piles of O'Reilly books or searching for tutorials online. My most recent site is one I made for a friend's band called Behind the Glass. You can check it out at www.freewebs.com/btg -- but for some reason, it's loading really slow today. I think it is the Freewebs server, because all my Freewebs sites are acting slow today. But please check the site out and tell me what you think.
www.freewebs.com/btg
www.freewebs.com/btg
AdamBrill
11-29-2003, 11:34 AM
How come in the thread for "Professional" advice for youngers most of the posts are be "youngers"? 18 posts by 15 and under and 8 by over 15.
I find that a mite bit weird...
I find that a mite bit weird...
A Falling Bomb
11-29-2003, 11:38 AM
I just thought it would be a great oppurtunity to speak with some more experienced Web designers who could provide me with some good advice. Sorry, but I thought this thread was for younger and older Web designers to talk with each other, and for younger ones to ask the older ones questions.
Immortal
11-29-2003, 11:38 AM
I am also 14, and a web designer. I have been designing for about 6-7 months now. Coding appeals to me alot. Some people think that coding is boring and they just want to get the website done. Well i really love coding I love the challenge, Infact sometimes when i used DW I just started to feel guilty that i didnt code the site myself. I have currently mastered HTML, CSS and I am a beginner with JavaScript and PHP. I am also intermediate with photoshop, fireworks, and Dreamweaver. I havent been coding very long but I can say that if you hate coding anything at all then this isnt for you. Although, web design is definetly a very fun thing.
AdamBrill
11-29-2003, 11:53 AM
Originally posted by A Falling Bomb
I just thought it would be a great oppurtunity to speak with some more experienced Web designers who could provide me with some good advice. Sorry, but I thought this thread was for younger and older Web designers to talk with each other, and for younger ones to ask the older ones questions. You misunderstood me. I wasn't saying that you should stop posting in here; I was just stating that you might not get too much professional advice from people 15 and under. I wouldn't consider myself a professional now, much less when I was 15... You guys really should be looking for advice from people who have been in the field for years and years. At least that's my opinion. ;)
I didn't find it weird that people 15 and under were posting, but rather that they had a major majority of the posts.
I just thought it would be a great oppurtunity to speak with some more experienced Web designers who could provide me with some good advice. Sorry, but I thought this thread was for younger and older Web designers to talk with each other, and for younger ones to ask the older ones questions. You misunderstood me. I wasn't saying that you should stop posting in here; I was just stating that you might not get too much professional advice from people 15 and under. I wouldn't consider myself a professional now, much less when I was 15... You guys really should be looking for advice from people who have been in the field for years and years. At least that's my opinion. ;)
I didn't find it weird that people 15 and under were posting, but rather that they had a major majority of the posts.
ColdSteel
11-29-2003, 04:46 PM
Well, I did start this thread for advice from pro's...but I don't mind comments from others...just keep in mind why I started this thread...hehe....Anyone have a Gecko browser? I am on dial-up and haven't gotten around to downloading the 7.0 mb file yet...would anyone have enought graciousness in there heart to check it out for me? I will get the gecko browser soon...LOL...I absolutely HATE dial-up...Oh, I try to keep my spelling correct....other's...well, let's not talk about others..LOL...
ColdSteel
11-29-2003, 04:48 PM
hehe...I misspelled enough....I TRY to keep my spelling correct...:D ...
Sux0rZh@jc0rz
12-01-2003, 07:28 AM
personally.. i just type however... and normally if i make a mistake, i catch it without even realizing it and fix it while i type, even if i'm not paying attention. but who cares if u have a few typo's... these are forums and its not like we're getting graded... but yeah i hate people who are like
yo y r my scrip not wokin?
cuz thats just plain lazy. mayby... 5 errors a paragraph max. and a little shorthand is ok but not y r u her(why are u here) cuz it just gets confusing sometimes cuz when u shorthand like that and make a mistake, its impossible to figure out what u mean cuz their are no context clues.
my 2 cents.
yo y r my scrip not wokin?
cuz thats just plain lazy. mayby... 5 errors a paragraph max. and a little shorthand is ok but not y r u her(why are u here) cuz it just gets confusing sometimes cuz when u shorthand like that and make a mistake, its impossible to figure out what u mean cuz their are no context clues.
my 2 cents.
AdamBrill
12-01-2003, 07:48 AM
In my opinion, people should spell out all of their words. "U" is not a word last time I checked, and I haven't heard that it is going to be added, so I'm going to keep using "you" until it is. In my opinion, it's not as bad when people misspell the word on accident as when they don't even try, such as "u". And capitalization isn't a sin either... ;)
</rant> :p
</rant> :p
ColdSteel
12-01-2003, 07:56 AM
Yeah, spelling is a key...I hate it when I go to a site and see misspelled words....it's like they don't care enough to check there own work....I don't expect perfection....but they should at least check....Sux0rZh@jc0rz, are you really Irish??? Or are you pulling my leg?...
ColdSteel
12-01-2003, 08:01 AM
P.S.
I could name a few names of those who type terrible on this forum....hehe...but I'll keep silent....:D
I could name a few names of those who type terrible on this forum....hehe...but I'll keep silent....:D
Robert Wellock
12-01-2003, 10:00 AM
My advice is buy a Starwars Stormtrooper helmet wear it when surfing the net and have punk rock blaring from your PC Speakers preferably Beck.
Though really, if you want to progress you have to inwardly digest at least some of what people like myself say rather than going off-topic on what may seem some of the more boring subjects - listening to Beck does help though.
Luckily many of you cannot remember using cutting-edge browsers like Netscape 3.x though I can, you have it much more easy.
Whenever copying-and-pasting or using view source only do that from sites, which pass the W3C validation or you may find you'll have to unlearn a lot of unnecessary hacks in the future.
Trial and error is also part of the learning process though good advice lessens the load.
Though really, if you want to progress you have to inwardly digest at least some of what people like myself say rather than going off-topic on what may seem some of the more boring subjects - listening to Beck does help though.
Luckily many of you cannot remember using cutting-edge browsers like Netscape 3.x though I can, you have it much more easy.
Whenever copying-and-pasting or using view source only do that from sites, which pass the W3C validation or you may find you'll have to unlearn a lot of unnecessary hacks in the future.
Trial and error is also part of the learning process though good advice lessens the load.
Sux0rZh@jc0rz
12-01-2003, 01:35 PM
Originally posted by Robert Wellock
Trial and error is also part of the learning process though good advice lessens the load.
I think thats the best way to learn anything. *thumbs up*Originally posted by ColdSteel
Sux0rZh@jc0rz, are you really Irish??? Or are you pulling my leg?... I am. but I got so many different things in my it's crazi... like irish 30%, german 20%, scotish 20%, indian 10%..other 20%(my mom was adopted. but my dad was the steele, so..)
Trial and error is also part of the learning process though good advice lessens the load.
I think thats the best way to learn anything. *thumbs up*Originally posted by ColdSteel
Sux0rZh@jc0rz, are you really Irish??? Or are you pulling my leg?... I am. but I got so many different things in my it's crazi... like irish 30%, german 20%, scotish 20%, indian 10%..other 20%(my mom was adopted. but my dad was the steele, so..)
jyazell
12-01-2003, 01:47 PM
College is always a good idea. If the employer sees that you went to college, they will look at you closer. In the mean time, READ READ READ. Do freebies and whatever you can that involves web development.
bigal
12-01-2003, 02:51 PM
Well, ime in year 10 (14-15) at my school and i currently own and operate one website:
www.hellzbellz.net
i have installed Invision board with 18 hacks and lots more to come. In doing this i have become quite familiar with php and i already know basic HTML. :)
I plan to get to grips with photoshop alot more and Flash MX - I also am good with Dreamweaver. ;)
Then its onto c++ :cool: :rolleyes:
www.hellzbellz.net
i have installed Invision board with 18 hacks and lots more to come. In doing this i have become quite familiar with php and i already know basic HTML. :)
I plan to get to grips with photoshop alot more and Flash MX - I also am good with Dreamweaver. ;)
Then its onto c++ :cool: :rolleyes:
unknownranger
01-27-2004, 03:30 PM
Hello! ima newbie (4-6 months)
I am 14 yrs old.
I have mastered HTML, and I have a good enough grasp over javascript to do the basic functions (ex. show one pic if the user has one resolution, or a diff pic if the user is on a diff resolution). I also have a grasp on CSS. I can alter the colors and borders and pretty much everything else with CSS.
This brings me to my question.
Where can I go to get a better grasp of CSS and et some of the utilities (graphics design, and other programs) for cheap (preferrably free but cheap will do)?
Also, where can i get a free php tutorial or sumthin like that?
Problem is, I don't know how to use CSS instead of tables.
I enjoy coding, and I do want to get better. Please help!
I am 14 yrs old.
I have mastered HTML, and I have a good enough grasp over javascript to do the basic functions (ex. show one pic if the user has one resolution, or a diff pic if the user is on a diff resolution). I also have a grasp on CSS. I can alter the colors and borders and pretty much everything else with CSS.
This brings me to my question.
Where can I go to get a better grasp of CSS and et some of the utilities (graphics design, and other programs) for cheap (preferrably free but cheap will do)?
Also, where can i get a free php tutorial or sumthin like that?
Problem is, I don't know how to use CSS instead of tables.
I enjoy coding, and I do want to get better. Please help!
iniquity101
01-27-2004, 04:07 PM
http://www.w3schools.com/css/default.asp for css basics, and for more advanced stuff tryhttp://www.alistapart.com/
and have a look at this thread http://forums.webdeveloper.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25341&highlight=tutorial
for a free image editing program try http://www.gimp.org/
and php:
http://www.gimpster.com/wiki/PhpTutorial/Intro?PHPSESSID=c872a5fc3849d595b6af40d47f7555db never used it myself so have no idea how good it is.
also have a look at:
http://www.webdevfaqs.com/
and http://www.w3.org/
and have a look at this thread http://forums.webdeveloper.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25341&highlight=tutorial
for a free image editing program try http://www.gimp.org/
and php:
http://www.gimpster.com/wiki/PhpTutorial/Intro?PHPSESSID=c872a5fc3849d595b6af40d47f7555db never used it myself so have no idea how good it is.
also have a look at:
http://www.webdevfaqs.com/
and http://www.w3.org/
iniquity101
01-27-2004, 04:13 PM
found a better site for php http://www.php.net/
spufi
01-27-2004, 04:43 PM
I would also point you to the "Taming List" article in my signature because your links could use a good recoding. I also don't see why you really have iframes. And sorry, but somebody who would have mastered HTML would at least have a W3C valid site. Click on the Doctype liks and Validator link in my signature for more.
PeOfEo
01-27-2004, 06:56 PM
AHHH its back from the dead! This thread died a long time ago and its back, run for your lifes!!!
Dathor Verlox
01-29-2004, 01:10 PM
I have done simple web design for about a year and a half but I have only recently learnt anything but Dreamweaver and HTML. I now know a bit about CSS and how to use it for layout. My first site (in need of an update) is www.wiltshirescouts.org.uk/newexplorers and was 'born' in October 2002 in a field.
Since then I have worked on a website for 'The Shonda Project' a registered charity (not online yet).
My personal website is www.harrymills.co.uk and was made in Jan 2004 using CSS and HTML.
I now want to learn more standards based stuff and how to set up forums and blogs etc. using PHP and mySQL but I don't have a mySQL database in my hosting package. To solve this I have use xsorbit to host a free board.
Since then I have worked on a website for 'The Shonda Project' a registered charity (not online yet).
My personal website is www.harrymills.co.uk and was made in Jan 2004 using CSS and HTML.
I now want to learn more standards based stuff and how to set up forums and blogs etc. using PHP and mySQL but I don't have a mySQL database in my hosting package. To solve this I have use xsorbit to host a free board.
iniquity101
01-29-2004, 01:19 PM
http://europe.webmatrixhosting.net/ provides 10MB in SQL Server database and thats free.
Dathor Verlox
01-29-2004, 01:53 PM
What can I do with mySQL and where can I learn to do it. Currently I don't even know how to set up a database.
Thanks in advance
Thanks in advance
Paul Jr
01-29-2004, 04:49 PM
Originally posted by Dathor Verlox
What can I do with mySQL and where can I learn to do it. Currently I don't even know how to set up a database.
Thanks in advance
Go to your local book store and pick up the biggest damn book you can find on MySQL. ;)
What can I do with mySQL and where can I learn to do it. Currently I don't even know how to set up a database.
Thanks in advance
Go to your local book store and pick up the biggest damn book you can find on MySQL. ;)
PeOfEo
01-29-2004, 05:24 PM
Originally posted by iniquity101
http://europe.webmatrixhosting.net/ provides 10MB in SQL Server database and thats free. http://europe.webmatrixhosting.net/text.aspx?tmpl=about provides a lot more then just free space in mssql server, and oh yes, the data base on wmh is not mysql is is mssql to clear up any confusion that might have been there. mssql is much better than mysql from what I hear, but it is pricier. But with php guess mysql is the data base of choice.
http://europe.webmatrixhosting.net/ provides 10MB in SQL Server database and thats free. http://europe.webmatrixhosting.net/text.aspx?tmpl=about provides a lot more then just free space in mssql server, and oh yes, the data base on wmh is not mysql is is mssql to clear up any confusion that might have been there. mssql is much better than mysql from what I hear, but it is pricier. But with php guess mysql is the data base of choice.
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