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EricG1793
04-28-2010, 03:28 PM
Hello,

My HP Pavilion DV2000Z that I got Jan. 2007 has a failed motherboard for the second time. At least, I'm 99% sure it's the motherboard. Symptoms are: No display, no processing light, turns self on when power cord is first plugged in, battery inserted or not. Last time this happened, it was under warranty and HP replaced the motherboard.

Now, the warranty's up, and I'm facing $210 from HP for a new one, or around $125 on eBay. I haven't looked elsewhere.

My uncle, who's an IT professional, and the tech coordinator at my school both agree that it's most likely the motherboard and that it's better to just get a whole new, up-to-date system, anyway. I had been thinking about upgrading the RAM and getting Windows 7 for months.

My uncle, after finding out that his vendor for open-box business computers has high prices at the moment, said I'd be better off getting something from BestBuy -- and to get business class, avoiding a consumer PC like the plague because of quality and lifespan. He also said that HP, Lenovo, and Dell in that order make the best business laptops.

The only business laptop of those brands BestBuy has is the ThinkPad Edge. I also found a Lenovo IdeaPad U450p for $30 less. I think that the IdeaPad is far superior in terms of appearing to be solidly-built, sleek, good-looking, and overall designed better. But, the Edge is a ThinkPad and I can expect quality from a ThinkPad. Also, the Edge has the Core i3 processor, which appears to blow the U450p's Core 2 Duo away in terms of specs. It also has an island-type keyboard like a MacBook as well a multi-touch pad, plus the usual TrackPoint. However, I've read on reviews that the Edge's build quality is below any other ThinkPad and doesn't even use the alloy roll cage. It also looks extremely bland (and not that solid) and only has a power on/standby indicator light; no wireless status or processing lights.

If you go to BestBuy, select laptops, and click Lenovo, there are only 3 Lenovos there at the moment. Eliminate the one with the Pentium processor, and you have my choices.

As far as what I'd be using it for... mostly Word, having multiple Firefox tabs open, and maybe a couple of Windows Explorer windows open as well. Each computer has 4GB of RAM which should be able to handle this without a problem, but I also like to watch YouTube movies in HD (which I couldn't do with my DV2000Z and its 1.8GHz Sempron processor). Does the i3 processor make it worth getting the Edge?

Again, I'm also concerned about the quality of the internal components (not just their performance). Are IdeaPads better than, say, a Pavilion or Inspiron in terms of lifespan and reliability? I like to think that they are since they're made by the same people who make ThinkPads. Or, are they just a typical, made to fall apart device?

Which computer do you recommend -- the ThinkPad Edge or IdeaPad U450p?

Jarrod1937
04-29-2010, 09:01 AM
An IT professional recommending best buy?! Please say it ain't so!
I too would recommend getting a new computer, though i'd recommend checking tigerdirect.com and newegg.com for some excellent laptops at a lot lower prices than best buy (their markup is usually insane).

criterion9
04-29-2010, 09:04 AM
He also said that HP, Lenovo, and Dell in that order make the best business laptops.

I'm shocked an IT pro would rank them this way. HP laptops have given me and everyone I know troubles from hardware on up out of the box.

EricG1793
04-30-2010, 05:08 PM
Jarrod, it is so. ;) I'm not buying it for education, business, etc. I'm in high school and it's just for my personal use, nothing special.

I will check out those sites. Thanks for the recommendation!

Any suggestions as to which of those models to go with?

BestBuy is the best deal for the U450p. I could get a Y450 of equivilant specs at TigerDirect, but that's an open-box model. For $50 more than the Newegg U450p, I could get a Core 2 Duo processor (instead of a Pentium), an extra GB of RAM, and the 64-bit OS at BestBuy. So, they appear to be the best deal in this case!

Jarrod1937
04-30-2010, 06:59 PM
I'd checkout this laptop:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834115726

It has 4gb of ram, a 320gb drive, a 15.6 inch screen, plays blurays and has a more powerful video card than you'll find in a laptop at that price. The AMD Turion II M500 processor is enough to allow smooth viewing of hd content through places like youtube (flash based videos) while allowing smooth viewing of videos through your video player (raster based video) due to the gpu the laptop has (it offsets the processing). The video card is AMD's radeon hd 4200 which is quite a bit faster than the video card in the lenovo (Almost 3 times faster in 3dmark 05). Any other application like surfing the web with firefox with multiple tabs will also work fine with it. And lastly, its the same price as the lenovo U450P.

Edit: Though it is worth mentioning the lenovo has a longer rated battery life, so if it applies you may need to weigh that into your decision.

EricG1793
04-30-2010, 07:29 PM
I do like the specs of that computer, definitely. I've never really thought about Acer, but they seem to have good products. The only problem I see is ATI graphics -- from what I understand, ATI isn't the most reliable, but I've had no experience with them myself.

That keyboard looks awful, though. I definitely do NOT want a numeric keypad over there, offsetting the center of the keyboard and the touchpad. I'd also like to stick with the 14" widescreen. A bigger screen would be nice, but 14" was just fine for me, and fit perfectly into my suitcase slipped into its neoprene case for weekend traveling. My DV2000 was built well, standing up to that for all this time. It's almost like new on the exterior, such a shame it's dead.

Battery life is not a concern, nor is hard drive space (I was only using about 25, maybe 30 GB on the HP).

It's unfortunate they don't have the build-it-yourself kits for laptops. I'd love to save a lot of money and assemble it myself, getting far better quality and specs for the price of a premanufactured one. I do NOT want a desktop, though -- that's a definite no-no. No space in the house for one, plus I like to move throughout the house with it and, like I said earlier, travel with it. Electricity savings are nice, too.