svidgen
05-17-2010, 08:57 AM
Why was my signature edited?
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svidgen
05-17-2010, 08:59 AM
More importantly, why wasn't I notified that it was being edited and given a reason for the edit? What the hell kind of moderator/admin just edits someone's account and doesn't give them a what or why?
Fang
05-17-2010, 10:57 AM
I don't know who edited your sig, but it was probably seen as advertising or not webdev related (personal site is acceptable).
That is the basic guideline given to the Mods and it is not very strictly adhered to.
I expect your first link was the problem.
AUP Agreement (http://www.internet.com/Internetcom/Door/41221)
That is the basic guideline given to the Mods and it is not very strictly adhered to.
I expect your first link was the problem.
AUP Agreement (http://www.internet.com/Internetcom/Door/41221)
svidgen
05-17-2010, 11:33 AM
I don't know who edited your sig, but it was probably seen as advertising or not webdev related (personal site is acceptable).
That is the basic guideline given to the Mods and it is not very strictly adhered to.
I expect your first link was the problem.
AUP Agreement (http://www.internet.com/Internetcom/Door/41221)
Hmm ... it was a link to the company I'm the Business Systems Developer for ... I suppose that could have been it. Wouldn't you expect a notification and explanation if an admin edited your signature though?
That is the basic guideline given to the Mods and it is not very strictly adhered to.
I expect your first link was the problem.
AUP Agreement (http://www.internet.com/Internetcom/Door/41221)
Hmm ... it was a link to the company I'm the Business Systems Developer for ... I suppose that could have been it. Wouldn't you expect a notification and explanation if an admin edited your signature though?
Fang
05-17-2010, 11:48 AM
I send a notification, but others ...
JPnyc
05-17-2010, 11:58 AM
I did send a notification by e-mail. Yes, commercial links which are not to a user's own web design/development site are not permitted. Thank you for your cooperation
svidgen
05-17-2010, 12:14 PM
I don't believe I received this email. Did you send it directly? Or is it possible your notification system has a break in it?
... I would also like a little clarification though. I changed my signature several weeks ago to include 6 links: 2 links to the main pages of my 2 primary sites, 3 to specific tool(s) on those sites that might have been of interest to the developers here, and 1 to the company I work for (as already stated in this thread).
However, my signature was edited twice at different times: the first time, several days after the change, the 3 links to the tools were removed. (one may have been my blog, actually -- I don't remember) The 2 to the main pages and my company site were left. And just recently, the one for my company was removed.
I'm not heart-broken over the removal of my company link -- I doubt anyone here is looking to buy reading materials for a K-2 classroom. I linked it to stand as a credential. Though, it honestly really irks me that my signature has been edited twice, likely by different admins, breaking the signature's grammatical structure, and all without receiving a notification of the changes and reasons.
It irks me even further that there's no backend system for admins and moderators to log these changes and communicate with each other. Does this really not seem unprofessional to any of you???
... I would also like a little clarification though. I changed my signature several weeks ago to include 6 links: 2 links to the main pages of my 2 primary sites, 3 to specific tool(s) on those sites that might have been of interest to the developers here, and 1 to the company I work for (as already stated in this thread).
However, my signature was edited twice at different times: the first time, several days after the change, the 3 links to the tools were removed. (one may have been my blog, actually -- I don't remember) The 2 to the main pages and my company site were left. And just recently, the one for my company was removed.
I'm not heart-broken over the removal of my company link -- I doubt anyone here is looking to buy reading materials for a K-2 classroom. I linked it to stand as a credential. Though, it honestly really irks me that my signature has been edited twice, likely by different admins, breaking the signature's grammatical structure, and all without receiving a notification of the changes and reasons.
It irks me even further that there's no backend system for admins and moderators to log these changes and communicate with each other. Does this really not seem unprofessional to any of you???
JPnyc
05-17-2010, 12:32 PM
Do you normally receive forum emails? Because it's possible they're not being delivered. In most cases I'm certain it was me who edited them, and I always send notification. I might even still have them in my sent folder.
According to the AUP, no commercial advertising is permitted at all, but I decided to allow users to link to their own the web design/development sites, since that is the topic of the forum. The only restrictions are only one link per domain, and no advertising copy. Other types of commercial links are prohibited. Noncommercial links, defined by us as not generating revenue in any way shape or form, are restricted only if they contain objectionable content.
According to the AUP, no commercial advertising is permitted at all, but I decided to allow users to link to their own the web design/development sites, since that is the topic of the forum. The only restrictions are only one link per domain, and no advertising copy. Other types of commercial links are prohibited. Noncommercial links, defined by us as not generating revenue in any way shape or form, are restricted only if they contain objectionable content.
svidgen
05-17-2010, 12:49 PM
Do you normally receive forum emails? Because it's possible they're not being delivered. In most cases I'm certain it was me who edited them, and I always send notification. I might even still have them in my sent folder.
Yep, I receive the normal notifications for subscribed threads.
According to the AUP, no commercial advertising is permitted at all, but I decided to allow users to link to their own the web design/development sites, since that is the topic of the forum. The only restrictions are only one link per domain, and no advertising copy. Other types of commercial links are prohibited. Noncommercial links, defined by us as not generating revenue in any way shape or form, are restricted only if they contain objectionable content.
Consider my current signature. If the multiple links to the same domain are tools I consider to be useful to developers here, is that still prohibited? I mean ... it's relevant, isn't it?
not generating revenue in any way shape or form
Does this mean that I cannot link primary project (Svidgen) is prohibited because it contains ads? Or my geek blog? I mean, technically, I'm not generating any revenue with the ads because the traffic is so low ... but they're in the design to generate revenue at some point ...
Yep, I receive the normal notifications for subscribed threads.
According to the AUP, no commercial advertising is permitted at all, but I decided to allow users to link to their own the web design/development sites, since that is the topic of the forum. The only restrictions are only one link per domain, and no advertising copy. Other types of commercial links are prohibited. Noncommercial links, defined by us as not generating revenue in any way shape or form, are restricted only if they contain objectionable content.
Consider my current signature. If the multiple links to the same domain are tools I consider to be useful to developers here, is that still prohibited? I mean ... it's relevant, isn't it?
not generating revenue in any way shape or form
Does this mean that I cannot link primary project (Svidgen) is prohibited because it contains ads? Or my geek blog? I mean, technically, I'm not generating any revenue with the ads because the traffic is so low ... but they're in the design to generate revenue at some point ...
JPnyc
05-17-2010, 01:02 PM
One link per domain if it is a commercial site. However your blog, if it does not contain ads, would not be considered commercial.
svidgen
05-17-2010, 01:11 PM
One link per domain if it is a commercial site. However your blog, if it does not contain ads, would not be considered commercial.
And if it does, I cannot link to it despite its potential value to developers here? If my personal project contains ads, I shouldn't link to it?
Let me add ... I certainly agree with the notion that some links should be prohibited to help maintain the integrity of the forum by preventing spamming and thoughtless posts aimed at advertising. Though, as I read through threads though, it's obvious that a lot of commercial links make their way into people's profiles and stay there. People have design/development firms or company sites they work on, etc..
To me, this just seems like a bit of a gray issue. It's subjective, and enforcement is not evenly distributed -- which sort of makes it doubly subjective. And it seems to me that this sort of thing ought to be black and white. I would think you would want it to be very black and white -- totally objective.
I mean, if any site with profit-bearing potential is out of the question, folks shouldn't be linking to anything at all in their signatures, should they be? Aren't most folks personal projects largely just adverts for either their own design/development business or themselves as a designer/developer and potential employee?
... Know what I mean? You can't objectively filter out revenue generating sites. They all generate revenue to some extent ... Whether it be as direct an obvious as an order form or as elusive as increasing the reputation of a developer. Whether revenue is the poster's intent is somewhat irrelevant-- knowing a person's intent is always subjective. (unless they tell you directly)
And if it does, I cannot link to it despite its potential value to developers here? If my personal project contains ads, I shouldn't link to it?
Let me add ... I certainly agree with the notion that some links should be prohibited to help maintain the integrity of the forum by preventing spamming and thoughtless posts aimed at advertising. Though, as I read through threads though, it's obvious that a lot of commercial links make their way into people's profiles and stay there. People have design/development firms or company sites they work on, etc..
To me, this just seems like a bit of a gray issue. It's subjective, and enforcement is not evenly distributed -- which sort of makes it doubly subjective. And it seems to me that this sort of thing ought to be black and white. I would think you would want it to be very black and white -- totally objective.
I mean, if any site with profit-bearing potential is out of the question, folks shouldn't be linking to anything at all in their signatures, should they be? Aren't most folks personal projects largely just adverts for either their own design/development business or themselves as a designer/developer and potential employee?
... Know what I mean? You can't objectively filter out revenue generating sites. They all generate revenue to some extent ... Whether it be as direct an obvious as an order form or as elusive as increasing the reputation of a developer. Whether revenue is the poster's intent is somewhat irrelevant-- knowing a person's intent is always subjective. (unless they tell you directly)
svidgen
05-17-2010, 01:13 PM
Let me further add ...
If this is really a concern, I would recommend just setting a link limit. Allow users to include a single link in their signature -- or none. I just don't want someone spontaneously changing my signature for a subjective rule. That is quite simply intolerable behavior from a professional organization.
If this is really a concern, I would recommend just setting a link limit. Allow users to include a single link in their signature -- or none. I just don't want someone spontaneously changing my signature for a subjective rule. That is quite simply intolerable behavior from a professional organization.
JPnyc
05-17-2010, 01:16 PM
Enforcement is evenly distributed, it's just imperfect. We do miss a few. If you find any, please bring them to my attention. But to answer your previous question, yes it doesn't matter whether the content is relevant or not. If it's a commercial site, one link per domain. The only types of commercial sites which are permitted are to a user's own web design/development site. That's about as well as we are able to define it. We know it's not entirely black and white, but that's what we are forced to deal with.
svidgen
05-17-2010, 01:36 PM
Fair enough I suppose. And I apologize, I'm often terrible at coping with things which are meant to be objective that even *appear* subjective or fuzzy. Not to mention I'm really not too bright.
I will attempt to refine my signature to adhere to the intended rules as best I can when I returnto my desk.
I will attempt to refine my signature to adhere to the intended rules as best I can when I returnto my desk.
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