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jeff_archer7
12-08-2003, 03:04 PM
After Reading all your comments, Re: rate this site, I have built a new page... I have taken on board alot of your suggestions so here we go again
Tell me what you think www.libertychurch.org.au

remember I am after constructive critisism

cheers
:cool:
soccer362001
12-08-2003, 06:25 PM
your background is repeating and there is a horizontal scroll bar here.


'Reaching lost people with good news, helping them to become dedicated disciples of Jesus Christ and empowering them for excellence'
spufi
12-09-2003, 01:08 AM
A 2am code rework for the front page only. Not that this ball parks what I would use as a final version. ;) Note that the fonts for the headers aren't what they were before, but for some reason your fonts weren't working in my text editor and one of the font names isn't even listed in Photoshop 7, so I just went with the basics. Play around with the code as needed.

CSS that would be saved in a file named styles and saved with the .css extension.

a {
color:#000;
}
a:active {
color:#FF0;
}
a:visted {
color:#000;
}
body {
color:#00F;
margin:0;
padding:0;
background-color:#ADFCFF;
}
h1 {
font-family:sans-serif;
font-size:32px;
}
h2 {
font-family:sans-serif;
font-size:18px;
}
hr {
width:80%;
text-align:center;
}
li {
display:inline;
padding:0 3% 0 3%;
}
ul {
list-style-type:none;
}
strong {
color:#FF0000;
}
#content {
text-align:center; background-image:url(images/EagleBG.gif);
background-repeat: no-repeat;
}
#footer {
font-style:italic;
padding-top:10px;
}
#menu {
text-align:center;
padding-top:10px;
margin-bottom:-10px;
}
#menu a {
font-weight:bold;
}

The ever trimmed down HTML

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/htm14/strict.dtd">
<html>
<head>
<title>Liberty Christian Church</title>
<meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
<meta content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1276" name=GENERATOR>
<link rel="stylesheet" title="Default" media="screen" href="styles.css" type="text/css">
</head>
<body>
<div id="menu">
<ul>
<li><a href="index.htm">Home</a></li>
<li><a href="index.htm">News</a></li>
<li><a href="index.htm">Sermons</a></li>
<li><a href="index.htm">College</a></li>
<li><a href="index.htm">Youth</a></li>
<li><a href="index.htm">Contacts</a></li>
<li><a href="index.htm">Links</a></li>
</ul>
</div>
<hr>
<div id="content">
<h1>Welcome to Liberty Christian Church</h1>
<h2>'Where The Spirit Of The Lord Is There Is Liberty'</h2>
Sunday meetings now <strong>10:30am</strong> and <strong>6:30pm</strong><br>
Manningham Park Primary School<br>
221 Manningham Rd, Lower Templestowe, 3107<br>
<em>&quot;ALL WELCOME&quot;</em>
<p>
<u>This week 14/12/03</u><br>
Ps. Richard Kerridge will be sharing with us<br>
</p>
<u>Liberty Night Service</u><br>
African Service with Pastor Peter Bondole<br>
'bring everyone'<br>
<p>
Liberty Christian Church Office<br>
720 Doncaster Rd, Doncaster, Victoria, Australia<br>
Ph: +61 (0)3 9840 6994 Fax: +61 (0)3 9840 6995
</p>
Our Mission Statement<br>
'Reaching lost people with good news, helping them to become dedicated<br>
disciples of Jesus Christ and empowering them for excellence'
<div id="footer">'Making a difference in our City, Nation and World'</div>
</div>
</body>
</html>

See attached for a more logical sized background image.
MP3Sound
12-10-2003, 10:19 AM
Hi from Brisbane

As an Internet Marketer and a web designer I would like to ask you a couple of questions first.

What are you trying to achieve?
Who is your site aimed at?

If you are providing a site for your members then it is fine however if you are wanting to highlight your church to the world can I make a few suggestions.

First running text over the graphic is very messy and in some instances hard to read. Try using a few tables to position the text and graphics better.

Next try and add a few pictures. An all text web site is very boring. Lets face it the web is a media format so why not use it. Remember a picture tells a thousand words.

Finanly try to find some content that people can actually use. A course or something you can give away to make your site and all your hard work more viral and sticky.

Hope you take this in the spirit it is given.

God Bless

Quentin
spufi
12-10-2003, 10:28 AM
Originally posted by MP3Sound
Try using a few tables to position the text and graphics better.

Just say no. :D
Dark Dragon
12-10-2003, 10:37 AM
An all text web site is very boring.

While a picture or two would be nice, I do appreciate a site that loads fast.

I liked the scrolling text over a fixed background..to me it was nice.

Lastly this site is not for entertainment..not all sites are like that. This site is for a church. Displaying info about its activities and so forth.

I liked the simple layout...the only thing I would change is to have one of the text menus stay in one spot so as you scroll you can click on a menu item at any time...it is a seemingly trivial matter but useful nonetheless. ;)
spufi
12-10-2003, 10:54 AM
Yeah, an all text site that uses 4 to 5 colors can be made to look visually appealing, and hardly "very boring."
MP3Sound
12-10-2003, 11:06 AM
I guess I understand.

I have built a lot of sites for churches and mission organizations.

Every time I go into a church or missonary organisation I ask those two question.

The point is the Internet is very much for entertainment. People get online to gather information and depending on how it is presented or the nature of the content will determine if you get a lot of visitors or just a few.

Loading time is not as great a consideration as it was a few years ago. 90% of people are viewing with 56k modem or better so a few well organised graphics will not slow down the loading time to much.

I have a lot of graphics on my site and regularily check it on slow computers and do polls and very rarely get any complaints or negative feedback re loading times.

Remember that content is King and if you want your web site to work you need to build it for your visitors. I have 5 computers here at my office all with different resolutions and on two of them it is almost impossible to read the text over the graphic.

I guess if you are happy then that is the main consideration and wish you all the best.

Quentin
jeff_archer7
12-10-2003, 04:15 PM
the only thing I would change is to have one of the text menus stay in one spot so as you scroll you can click on a menu item at any ti

this would be good.... How do I acheive this
jeff_archer7
12-10-2003, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by MP3Sound
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Finanly try to find some content that people can actually use. A course or something you can give away to make your site and all your hard work more viral and sticky.
[/B]

there is.... follow the bible college link to Bible college online

plus under sermons all the mp3s are free as are the sermon notes

or were you meaning something else

:cool:
soccer362001
12-10-2003, 04:28 PM
Why don't you put something like a trivia quiz on there or something like that. I think that would be cool.
Paul Jr
12-10-2003, 04:32 PM
Originally posted by MP3Sound
90% of people are viewing with 56k modem or better so a few well organised graphics will not slow down the loading time to much.

This all rests upon the assumption that the person knows how to correctly optimize the graphics. I browse on a 56K, because it's the only thing we can get out in the boonies, and I have run into many sites that have few, or simple, graphics yet they take too long to download. I just move on if that happens. I don't have all day to wait for a page to download.
jeff_archer7
12-10-2003, 04:47 PM
Originally posted by Paul Jr
I browse on a 56K, because it's the only thing we can get out in the boonies,

What are "the boonies"??????
Dark Dragon
12-10-2003, 05:14 PM
Why don't you put something like a trivia quiz on there or something like that. I think that would be cool.

Not on a church website.

P.S Boonies is sort of a nickname for the country..someplace far from cities...something like that.
soccer362001
12-10-2003, 05:16 PM
Trivia quiz as in Bible trivia
jeff_archer7
12-10-2003, 05:36 PM
Originally posted by soccer362001
Trivia quiz as in Bible trivia

perhaps not, hey!!
Paul Jr
12-10-2003, 05:44 PM
Originally posted by jeff_archer7
What are "the boonies"??????

Upstate New York.
'Round an hour Northish from Albany, and 30 minutes from Schenectady.
Dark Dragon
12-10-2003, 05:51 PM
Sorry :o

I guess the term "Boonies" has different meanings to varying groups....my bad.
Paul Jr
12-10-2003, 06:04 PM
Huh? Well... maybe? I dunno, I consider where I live to be the boonies. Maybe it's not boony enough?
jeff_archer7
12-10-2003, 06:07 PM
I live a full half hour drive from Melbourne (Australia) and consider where I live the "sticks" (local for boonies maybee???) but really it is not it is more the suburbs but you know what I mean..... or maybee not..... lol:rolleyes: