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Paul Jr
12-13-2003, 05:28 AM
Well, I dusted off good ol' HTML-Kit and decided I'd give it another chance. Well, I ran my current page through HTML-Kit's accesssibility tool. I managed to clean up all the errors(1) and warnings (6 or somethin') -- except for three warnings! This is driving me up the wall!
The Message
WCAG [4.1.1.1]: Indicate changes in language
The Code
<h1>~Welcome To The Pointless Website~</h1>
The Message (It appears twice)
WCAG [6.1.1.1]: Style sheet requires testing (link).
The Code(Both lines)
<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="style.css" />
<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="links.css" />
Any help on this would be appreciated.
Paul Jr
12-13-2003, 03:21 PM
ANYONE?! I thought accessibility was important... :(
Dark Dragon
12-13-2003, 03:43 PM
Well..I would think everything is okay then..if it is only picking up a non functioning link.
I don't understand the language thing..where was this supposed language change? I thought it was HTML 4..
Anyways I tried to use HTML-Kit but I still like the visual types (must mean I am weak or something)..so I can see what is happening as I do things...though I use it so I have proper tags for images and so forth.
Hopefully DreamWeaver MX will be better and code in compliant HTML....maybe.
Paul Jr
12-13-2003, 03:53 PM
Originally posted by Dark Dragon
I don't understand the language thing..where was this supposed language change? I thought it was HTML 4..
Not HTML 4, XHTML 1.1
Originally posted by Dark Dragon
Anyways I tried to use HTML-Kit but I still like the visual types (must mean I am weak or something)..so I can see what is happening as I do things...though I use it so I have proper tags for images and so forth.
I actually hand coded the entire thing in Notepad, but people keep giving HTML-Kit rave reviews, I thought I'd play around; try out some of its features.
Originally posted by Dark Dragon
Hopefully DreamWeaver MX will be better and code in compliant HTML....maybe.
Don't you mean Dreamweaver 2004? That's the latest version, after all.
Dark Dragon
12-13-2003, 08:59 PM
I was under the impression that Dreamweaver MX is the next step up from DW 4..with the latest version of MX coming in 2004.
I might download the trial version to see if it is any better than DW4.
As for the XHTML...I am not too familiar with it but the code looks like it should work..(I have a few XHTML templates)
As for HTML Kit..I originally loaded it because I needed something that coded in current HTML...but it is code only and I really prefer to be able to see in graphics what I am doing.
Besides I am not much of an hand coder...(another weakness I guess)
Since I am still trying to learn CSS..the tags in HTML Kit don't help me out too much, especially if I want to create tables using CSS.
So I use HTML kit for inserting images to get appropriate tags.
Paul Jr
12-13-2003, 09:07 PM
Oo, alright.
Well, I could post a link so you could get a better look at it, but the place I was hosted at (www.aspfreeservers.com) went out of business! NOOOOOO!!! That was like the best hosting place... I can't ever find any good Free Hosting that supports PHP!!!
soccer362001
12-13-2003, 09:12 PM
http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10-HTML-TECHS/#changes-in-lang
http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10/wai-pageauth.html#tech-order-style-sheets
See if that helps any
Paul Jr
12-13-2003, 09:36 PM
I still don't get the language thing. I had a big fat red error when I didn't define the Language in the <html> tag, after I did so, that got rid of the warning. But I don't use any other languages on the site, soooo...? I don't get why exactly I'd have to specify it, when I already have.
soccer362001
12-13-2003, 09:39 PM
You know what I don't know why either I just do what it tells me to.
Paul Jr
12-13-2003, 09:47 PM
Heh, good philosophy. :D
Now, I'm really lost on the other thing... I'm readin' and I'm readin', and I can't seem to find anything. :confused:
soccer362001
12-13-2003, 09:50 PM
When content is organized logically, it will be rendered in a meaningful order when style sheets are turned off or not supported.
I think your supposed to test it without the css to make sure its readable
Your first problem is the tilde's. Try taking them out, that may be your problem.
Next, validate your CSS, and make sure the HTML import code is in the HEAD of the document.
[J]ona
Paul Jr
12-13-2003, 10:16 PM
I thought about maybe it was the tildes causing the problem, 'cept it only happens with that one line of code; I've got a few others like that too. I'll see what happens when I take 'em out.
So, I should import the CSS instead of using the good ol' <link rel="" type="" href="" /> tag?
***EDIT***
Well, I tried removing the tildes, didn't do a thing.
Hmm, can you upload a .zip file? It may be elsewhere.
Also, use the LINK tag to import an import.css file which contains the @import rule to import the CSS you want (for your layout CSS).
[J]ona
Paul Jr
12-13-2003, 10:37 PM
Yes, I can upload a .zip file.
Wow... I believe I got all the import stuff... :eek:
I seem to have a problem. I can either conform to the WAI, or have valid XHTML 1.1
Anyhoo, have a look-see.
All of your CSS is valid. I looked at it, and the only invalid thing in your XHTML is that you have the lang="en" attribute in your HTML tag--you don't need that in XHTML.
As for accessibility, is there any kind of online validator that does this sort of thing that is similar to what you're using, in most respects?
[J]ona
Paul Jr
12-14-2003, 02:34 AM
Yes, I know the lang="en" in the <html> tag is invalid XHTML, but if it's not there, the accessibility tool in HTML-Kit throws an error :confused: I'm not exactly sure how reliable HTML-Kit is in that respect, so maybe I'll just remove it.
As for the validator, Cynthia Says (http://www.contentquality.com/) It's the only accessibility validator I've seen; besides the Bobby one. I like this one better.
I wasn't asking for just any accessibility validator, I was asking if you knew of one that was basically the same as the one that HTML-kit uses (because I'm not downloading that program, lol). In my signature there are about four or five links to online validators... :rolleyes:
[J]ona
Paul Jr
12-14-2003, 02:43 AM
Heh, well, I don't know any that are like the one in HTML-Kit.
Then I'd suggest using an online one, lol. CynthiaSays is probably the best one out there... How's it validate on her? (lol at "her.")
[J]ona
Paul Jr
12-14-2003, 02:53 AM
Section 508 = Pass
WCAG Priority 1 = Pass
WCAG Priority 1,2 = Pass
WCAG Priority 1,2,3 = 2 Warnings
Create a logical tab order through links, form controls, and objects.
* Rule: 9.4.1 - All Anchor, AREA, BUTTON, INPUT, OBJECT, SELECT and TEXTAREA elements are required to use the 'tabindex' attribute.
o Warning - One or more Anchor, AREA, BUTTON, INPUT, OBJECT, SELECT and TEXTAREA elements do not use the 'tabindex' attribute.
Provide keyboard shortcuts to important links (including those in client-side image maps), form controls, and groups of form controls.
* Rule: 9.5.1 - All Anchor, AREA, BUTTON, INPUT, LABEL, LEGEND, and TEXTAREA elements are required to use the 'accesskey' attribute.
o Warning - One or more Anchor, AREA, BUTTON, INPUT, LABEL, LEGEND, and TEXTAREA elements do not use the 'accesskey' attribute.
Paul Jr
12-14-2003, 02:58 AM
I'm not exactly sure I get that whole thing, so you might wanna check it out for yourself.
Enter in http://67.75.63.65:81/pointless/index.html
As the URL to check. It'll be up most of the night (My own hosting:D 'Cept I have a dynamic IP:( ).:
It just means that you need to have tabindex and title attributes specified on your links.
[J]ona
Paul Jr
12-14-2003, 03:05 AM
Yes, yes, I know that. I just meant maybe I missed something and I didn't pass on something I thought I had...
I think the CynthiaSays validator is pretty good... Probably ought to be checked out by some expert on the subject like Charles or Robert Wellock though, just in case. Artificial intelligence can't beat teh real thing. ;)