wysiwyg html site builder/editor

[bobpal59]

Hi, I am looking for suggestions on purchasing, or downloading, an html editor/site builder for a website I have recently designed using yahoo's site builder software. I have "put the cart before the horse" in that it is already being hosted, and I have already had to edit lines of code to take out parts that "point back" to the files saved on my pc. Now I would like to download it, re-edit it, and upload it agin (using an ftp, I believe). That's about as clear as I can be with my current unerstanding! I know I am learning the hard way and to that end I have purchased Web Stie Design Goodies and taking the various tutorials provided by your web site. Although I would like it, Dreamweaver is apparently way too expensive for my budget, or needs. Can you point me in the right direction? I'll take all the advice I can get. And please check out my website and critique it if you'd like. It's www.tennisnorth.nethttp://www.tennisnorth.net/ (http://www.tennisnorth.net). I think I did that right! Thanks, Bob

[ray326]

I prefer editors that aren't wysiwyg but that offer easy to use previews. For Windows check out 1st Page 2000 and for Linux check Quanta Plus. Both are free.

[PeOfEo]

dreamweaver is a very good editor if you can afford it (which you said you can't already), but it isnt for its wysiwyg features. It is good in that it is intellitext, auto complete, greate language support, and many many other features that make codeing in it a lot faster then codeing in say notepad which is the bare minimum. I would suggest not using wysiwyg because wysiwyg will get you crap. They make pages that are not fluid, do not change platforms, and are not valid by practically any w3 standards, for the most part. To make a good, in that i mean well designed and accessible, site nothing beats hard codeing it.

[bobpal59]

I'm so new to this how would I know what I was making (if I did know html that is), if I couldn't see it as I go? By the way, what's w3? And can you recommend anything for my needs? Thanks, Bob

[PeOfEo]

www.w3.org , its the world wide web consortum. They and the major browsers are the only jurisdiction over html, and the dos and donts etc. They decide what gets supported and what does not. Here is how you know as you go, save the file as a .html file, then open it in internet explorer then continue working. When you want to test something hit save then refresh internet explorer.

[bobpal59]

And what do you think of 1st Page 2000 html eitor, recommended by ray326? And thanks, Ray! Also, smartFTP, cuteFTP and ws-FTP were recommended to me to use to download my site back to my pc for editing with whatever html editor I finally decide on, then to upload it back to my host, Lunarpages, by the way. Thanks, Bob

[PeOfEo]

you do not need an ftp client for just website work. You can open a folder and in the address bar type in ftp://you@you.host.com or something like that and it will prompt you for a pass, which you can set to remeber and you can copy and paste like a folder. I keep my ftp account as a bookmark for example, its faster then a client in my opinion. I have never used first page. I use strictly dreamweaver and notepad. For large enedvors I crack out dw because of the great language support, intellitext, and other features that speed up my work and debugging, and for small things I use notepad just because it loads in no time and I can just change like one word or something hit save and I am done.

[Dark Dragon]

Here is how you know as you go, save the file as a .html file, then open it in internet explorer then continue working.

Yes, yes....one can do that too but myself I prefer to use DW then I don't have to keep going back and forth..saving Notepad Docs then saving over and over and over and......in otherwords I like more immediate results..less typing and so forth.

Actually I sometimes have different codes in NotePad that I just copy and paste into a DW page....I guess everyone has their own preferences and ways of doing things.

[ray326]

Originally posted by bobpal59
And what do you think of 1st Page 2000 html eitor, recommended by ray326? And thanks, Ray! Also, smartFTP, cuteFTP and ws-FTP were recommended to me to use to download my site back to my pc for editing with whatever html editor I finally decide on, then to upload it back to my host, Lunarpages, by the way. Thanks, Bob
If you decide to use 1st Page then it has an ftp add-on that is very nice as long as you don't need to do things like fiddle the file permissions for CGI and such on the server.

[JustKIDn]

For the price, you can't do better than Selida on windose.

amaryllis.8m.com (http://amaryllis.8m.com)

This is from their web page;
Selida features a very effective WYSIWYG editor, Code Completion and a complete HTML 4 reference. Selida was engineered to be complete and capable - all with the decidedly best price on the planet - 00.00 ! That's correct. Free.
Selida does differ from many 'free' HTML Editors in that it is truly full featured and easy to understand, while remaining powerful enough for the advanced user. Selida users range from the beginner to the professional.

I found Selida when I was looking for an easy to use WYSIWYG editor, for my wife to learn with.

The greatest selling point for me was the 'Code Completion'.

My wife likes to use it to post items for sale on ebay.

She's no expert, but she can now read and write HTML code.

Another one that's good if you know HTML is TextPad.

www.textpad.com (http://www.textpad.com)

It's NOT wysiwyg because it's just a test editor. But it has the ability to add styles for different languages like PHP, VB, C++, etc... and has customizable color syntax highlighting.

You can also download or create 'clips' for organizing frequently used text, such as program templates, or HTML tags.

my .02 cents

[zachzach]

frontpage is what i use(i almost never use the normal screen)
the best thing is that it les you preview your code..and in the normal most if you have position:absolute to your divs and whatnots, you can drag it around the screen and frontpage will set the numbers(left:whatever;top:whatever;) for you

[Jupac]

zach front page dont make good codes do it by hand or dl dreamwear

[JustKIDn]

Originally posted by zachzach
frontpage is what i use

I gave up on frontpage years ago.

It takes too much work to clean-up the code after frontpage has touched it.

I don't know if it still does, but it use to really screw-up javascript code.

[PeOfEo]

front page and ie go hand in hand so nicely though... voodoo html ;) .

[Paul Jr]

Originally posted by PeOfEo
front page and ie go hand in hand so nicely though... voodoo html ;) .
Go Homesite and FireBird!!! :D

[zachzach]

i know it makes crapy code....lol
i use it so i can preview stuff quickly
and it makes moving absolute positioned divs easier

[pyro]

Originally posted by zachzach
and it makes moving absolute positioned divs easier Which is probably not a good idea. Absolutly positioned div's are rarely needed, and when I see too much of that, "bad CSS" pops into my mind immediatly.

[Jupac]

that why u use a notpad and a browser

you do your codeing in notepad and save it then refresh your browers .u dont need front page

[pyro]

I can't believe we are going here again. No, no, no... You do not use notepad. :rolleyes:

Read from here (http://forums.webdeveloper.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23718#post123287) on in that thread...

[fredmv]

Might want to add one more argument onto the query string... ;)

http://forums.webdeveloper.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23718&pagenumber=2#post123287

[pyro]

I have mine set to show 40 posts per page... :p

[fredmv]

That would explain it. :D

[Paul Jr]

Originally posted by pyro
No, no, no... You do not use notepad. :rolleyes:
But... why not? I realize there are programs out there, like DW, that can make things a bit easier than Notepad, but why shouldn't one use Notepad? I downloaded a trial version of Homesite, and I love it, but I still use Notepad most of the time.

I started on Notepad, and I will end on Notepad.

[pyro]

Originally posted by Paul Jr
But... why not?I believe we covered that in the other thread.

[Paul Jr]

Originally posted by pyro
I believe we covered that in the other thread.
*Shrug* I'm still not convinced.

[Jupac]

it kool tho use both
duno might be a solution

or what ever