How do I change scroll bars?

[jammer20002]

Can someone tell me how I can redefine how the scroll bars look?

The following website show what I'd like to do:
www.uc48.net
I've seen the look in many different places.

AND how can I get scroll bars in the middle of a page??
I suppose I can use frames... but is there a better way?
(And how compatible with browsers would any alternative method be?)

The above website show the scroll bar I'm talking about.

Thanks.


Jam

[fredmv]

http://www.trueschool.nl/tools/scrollbar/

[jammer20002]

I'm really confused.
I looked at the link and tried editing the CSS code in Dreamweaver... I can't find 'scrollbar' anywhere! :)

Can you give a better tutorial?

I just had a look at the www.uc48.net in Netscape... it looks really horrible! Urgh!

I saw a similar example elsewhere... where they used 'iFrame'?
I haven't really used that before.
Do you know what that is?

Thanks.

[fredmv]

Originally posted by jammer20002
I looked at the link and tried editing the CSS code in Dreamweaver... I can't find 'scrollbar' anywhere!That would make sense. I'm guessing Dreamweaver is only showing standardized CSS. These properties are only supported by IE and will cause your CSS to be invalid by using them (you could, however, use JavaScript to set these properties and therefore have valid CSS). Originally posted by jammer20002
I just had a look at the www.uc48.net in Netscape... it looks really horrible! Urgh!That's because Mozilla only supports standardized CSS. ;)Originally posted by jammer20002
I saw a similar example elsewhere... where they used 'iFrame'?
I haven't really used that before.If you want to cause the CSS to effect the scrollbars of an iframe, simply use the CSS code for a scrollbar inside the document in which is contained inside of the iframe.

[starrwriter]

Originally posted by jammer20002
Can someone tell me how I can redefine how the scroll bars look?

Download Scrollbar 1.1, a very good freeware program that automatically writes the CSS from the colors you pick:
http://home.hccnet.nl/s.j.francke/software/software.htm

[pyro]

Originally posted by jammer20002
I just had a look at the www.uc48.net in Netscape... it looks really horrible! Urgh!Coding for IE is a very sad thing (I don't, however, see that site doing much of that). Thankfully, I use Mozilla Firebird, and don't have to put up with the IE crap such as colored scrollbars. As Fred stated, coloring the scrollbars uses proprietary IE CSS, and is not valid.

[IncaWarrior]

it's kind of sad that mozilla hasn't managed to include something as simple as colored scroll bars. Most people use IE, and it looks nicer so i'd do it and not worry about valid css, it won't mess up the reading of your page for other browsers

[pyro]

Originally posted by IncaWarrior
it's kind of sad that mozilla hasn't managed to include something as simple as colored scroll bars.The colored scrollbars properties are not defined in any W3C recommendations, and are M$ proprietary properties. Why would Mozilla include it?

Originally posted by IncaWarrior
and it looks nicerThat's a matter of personal preference, and one that I would happend to disagree with.

[PeOfEo]

firebird doesnt have the dumb scroll bars, but it has popup blocking, optional tabbed browsing, easy to enable/disable java script, better support of css, and if you want it to look good tons of skins.

[IncaWarrior]

firebird doesnt have the dumb scroll bars, but it has popup blocking, optional tabbed browsing, easy to enable/disable java script, better support of css, and if you want it to look good tons of skins.

"dumb scroll bars" last time i checked it did, but you couldn't color them. I like to be able to change one of the interactive parts of my sites so it matches the rest

[fredmv]

Originally posted by IncaWarrior
"dumb scroll bars" last time i checked it did, but you couldn't color them. I like to be able to change one of the interactive parts of my sites so it matches the rest You can't change the scrollbar colors in Mozilla because the CSS for changing the scrollbar colors is a proprietary IE feature, and as such, is not standardized. The scrollbars are not a part of your Website. They belong to the user, leave them alone and let the user have their scrollbars displayed how they want. Colored scrollbars, in a way, ruin accessibility. Since you can make the scrollbars any color in IE, wonder if you changed them to a color that is very similar to your background-color? People with visual impairment may not be able to easily identify where the scrollbar is.

[IncaWarrior]

well doesn't the page background belong to the user too? and the text color? that could ruin accessiblity if you made the text the color of the scroll bar

[fredmv]

Originally posted by IncaWarrior
well doesn't the page background belong to the user too?No. The page is property of the Web designer. The scrollbar is a part of the browser's GUI, which therefore, makes it property of the user.

[Paul Jr]

I once stumbled upon this website, back when I was still using IE, and they had the scrollbar changed, the only thing visible was the arrows, and the color was very close to the same as the rest of the scrollbar, and background. I immediately left that site, and I have never returned.


Something cool, would be the ability to change the color of your scrollbar as a part of the GUI of a browser ;).

[PeOfEo]

like a skin? You can do that with mozilla :P

[fredmv]

http://www.texturizer.net/firebird/themes/ ;)

[Paul Jr]

Wow... now I feel stupid :o.

[PeOfEo]

I personally like blue monkey the most.
http://www.texturizer.net/firebird/themes/#Bluemonkey
I have been using it for about a month.

[jammer20002]

forgive my massive ignorance...
but can someone put me out of my isery nd tell me what mozilla firebird is?? and why it might be a good thing (whatever it is).

i'm an IE fan... but am willing to convert. ;)

[fredmv]

Originally posted by jammer20002
but can someone put me out of my isery nd tell me what mozilla firebird is??Mozilla Firebird is a stripped down version of Mozilla; it's only the browser. The full "suite" of Mozilla has a few other great development features such as the DOM Inspector and other features such as a built-in mail client.Originally posted by jammer20002
and why it might be a good thing (whatever it is). http://www.mozilla.org/products/firebird/why/ ;)

[PeOfEo]

I prefer fb to mozilla regular because it runs faster and it is a little quicker to use, its dumbed down for idiots like me that want a simple settings area, no big long tab strips just a simple little window.

[Paul Jr]

I downloaded Skypilot Classic and I love it! But some of the ones I want are not available for the build I have... Possibly meaning I should get an earlier version of FB? I've got 0.7 now.

[PeOfEo]

nahhh, they will have new skins for it in due time. They just have not had time to make em yet.

[Sambojobo]

I feel as much time as a web designer puts into designing his site, he should be allowed to design everything on that site, and make the scroll bars look however he wishes. If I make a site where the scrollbars look bad to you and you leave the site, that is unfortunate but I should still have the right to do it. The rest of my site is probably crap also. You claim that the scrollbars belong to the individual viewing the page and they have complete control over them. That is not entirely true. I control whether or not they even show up on the page, I can turn them off. This is just another reason that Flash will take over.

[BeachSide]

I feel as much time as a web designer puts into designing his site, he should be allowed to design everything on that site, and make the scroll bars look however he wishes. If I make a site where the scrollbars look bad to you and you leave the site, that is unfortunate but I should still have the right to do it. The rest of my site is probably crap also. You claim that the scrollbars belong to the individual viewing the page and they have complete control over them. That is not entirely true. I control whether or not they even show up on the page, I can turn them off. This is just another reason that Flash will take over.

Wow you dug up an old thread...

I have to agree with the rest in saying that scrollbars should NOT be under the designers control because as was stated it is part of the GUI and not part of the page.

Flash will never take over! Although I may eat those words as the AdobeMedia powerouse will probably want it to.

I am still waiting for a good Flash blocker for FF. I would sing the praises of the person who comes up with a good one that works correctly! The one that is currently available has too many bugs for me to be comfy with.

[felgall]

You can use a skin to change the colour of the scrollbar in your own browser provided that you are using a browser that supports skins. As for changing the colour of someone else's scrollbar that is an IE only bug.