View Source

[PittsburghRed]

When I right click my mouse and choose View Source ... I no longer get the source code of the web page page. Nothing happens. What can be wrong? Who ... Where do I go for help?

[iniquity101]

http://forums.webdeveloper.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24395&highlight=view+source might help

[PittsburghRed]

Thanks. Yes, that is exactly my problem. I will persue the ie bug.

[spufi]

Or just use Firebird. ;)

http://www.mozilla.org/products/firebird/

[PittsburghRed]

Saved the link. Will give it serious consideration. I am such a creature of habit ...

[PeOfEo]

once you go fb, you never go back.

[Mysteriously]

Yeah, FireBird is awesome.

Spufi, I dig the avatar, man!!! I just found out, inadvertantly, where you got it (or at least one place to get it).

[spufi]

Download Firebird and Mozilla anyway because you should test your sites in them. After that, play around surfing the net with Firebird. Using something like "Open inTabs" which allows you to open a section of bookmarks in tabbed windows is one of the coolest things I've seen a browser do. I also find right clicking and opening links in a new window extremely odd now. Why do that when I can open it in a new tab that loads in the background? Font resizing is extremely easy too, Ctrl +/-.

I would not be surprised to see the Mozilla company, who makes Mozilla and Firebird, be the number two browser company in usage after the new numbers come out from one site I check. They were getting close before, and considering Netscape users are the ones jumping on Mozilla's bandwagon, it won't be long before Mozilla passes Netscape up. I kid you not, the numbers show a .4% drop in Netscape 4 and a .4% increase in Mozilla.

07/28/03
http://www.onestat.com/html/aboutus_pressbox23.html

02/03/03
http://www.onestat.com/html/aboutus_pressbox18.html

*adds another nail in the NS 4 coffin*

:D

Avatar was "taken" from here, ie Print Screen and edit in PS7.
http://www.dasdua.org/

[PeOfEo]

good, that browser needs to be killed, then have its body desecrated. That goes right up there is the ie5 box model in suckyness.

[Mysteriously]

Originally posted by spufi
Avatar was "taken" from here, ie Print Screen and edit in PS7.
http://www.dasdua.org/
That's what I thought, but I wasn't sure.

Originally posted by PeOfEo
good, that browser needs to be killed, then have its body desecrated. That goes right up there is the ie5 box model in suckyness.
Lol, amen to that, brothah. :p

[spufi]

Originally posted by PeOfEo
good, that browser needs to be killed, then have its body desecrated. That goes right up there is the ie5 box model in suckyness.

But Microsoft's "error" is that they figured out how the box model should behave in a logical way and W3C didn't.

[Mysteriously]

Originally posted by spufi
But Microsoft's "error" is that they figured out how the box model should behave in a logical way and W3C didn't.
I believe that is a matter of opinion. I mean, is it really "logical"? Would you like to have all browsers interpret the box-model as IE 5 does? I'm not sure I would...

'Course, I don't have IE 5, so I've never actually had any problems (that I know of :p).

[spufi]

Originally posted by Mysteriously
I believe that is a matter of opinion. I mean, is it really "logical"? Would you like to have all browsers interpret the box-model as IE 5 does? I'm not sure I would...

'Course, I don't have IE 5, so I've never actually had any problems (that I know of :p).

First of all, we have so hijacked this thread. :D

Second, take as an example this design. I have a <div> of 100% width, and I define it as such. Now, I add padding of 5px and give it a border of 2px. Now what is the width? In IE it's 100%. According to W3C it's 100% + 14px. 5px twice for both sides of padding and 2px twice for both sides of border. 100% + 14px is what now besides being too big for what I want? *sigh* The box model problem actually hurts people trying to make fluid layouts.

[PeOfEo]

its the fact that the ie5 box model is so different from everything else that it has to be hacked to get it to diplay like the other. When I say something is sucky it is because it pisses my off, and it sure does piss me off, having to throw in extra code and do extra work for what should be something simple.

[PunkSktBrdr01]

Spufi, you could just use left and right positioning (relative or absolute). So:


#div {
position: relative;
top: auto;
right: 0px;
bottom: auto;
left: 0px;
width: auto;
height: auto;
padding: 5px;
border-width: 2px;
}

[PittsburghRed]

Yes, you have hijacked my thread. Any advice to "fix" my view source, other than junk ie?

[pyro]

http://forums.webdeveloper.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14779#post78188

[jeff_archer7]

Originally posted by PeOfEo
once you go fb, you never go back.

NOT TRUE....

[PittsburghRed]

pyro!! Thanks. It worked and all is well.

[pyro]

Sure thing. :)

[fredmv]

Originally posted by jeff_archer7
NOT TRUE.... Incorrect.

[jeff_archer7]

Originally posted by fredmv
Incorrect.
I dis-agree

[Paul Jr]

Originally posted by jeff_archer7
I dis-agree
So?

[soccer362001]

I downloaded FB and I still use IE primarily. But thats only cause thats what my dad prefers.

[PeOfEo]

Originally posted by soccer362001
I downloaded FB and I still use IE primarily. But thats only cause thats what my dad prefers. so how does that stop you from using it? :D Tell your dad fb has a popup blocker, see how quickly he switches.

[fredmv]

Originally posted by PeOfEo
Tell your dad fb has a popup blocker, see how quickly he switches. You could also let him know that Internet Explorer is considered harmful (http://ashitaka-san.home.comcast.net/yayrant/ieharmful.html). ;)

[PeOfEo]

you could also send him to jona's (I think its his) "Ie virus", it is really 500000 popups that ie displays, but mozilla and opera (etc) will not show them.

[soccer362001]

Originally posted by PeOfEo
so how does that stop you from using it? :D Tell your dad fb has a popup blocker, see how quickly he switches.
Guess what. Google has a popup blocker too. And thats what we use to block for IE.

[spufi]

If he has a group of sites he goes to, create a folder and bookmark those sites into that folder. Show him how he can just go to that folder and then select "Open in Tabs" and all of those sites open up. If he happens to open numerous windows, then show him what tabbed windows looks like. Having a tabbed window load in the background is sweet, and it's about the only way I open links to sites outside of the one I'm looking at.. Also showinh him Mozilla's home page and Firebird home page where they talk about the advantages would be good.

Look at this this way, IE won't really be updated until IE 7 comes out and then you have to buy "Longhorn" to even get it. That's basically no updates for four years. The rest of the browsers are being updated once every couple of months even if it's smaller updates versus a full version upgrade. I know it won't take Mozilla four years to go from 1.0 to 2.0.

[spufi]

I almost forgot. Resize text in IE, and then do it in Firebird. Incase you don't know, in Firebird all you have to do is hold down Ctrl and hit - or +.

[PeOfEo]

Originally posted by soccer362001
Guess what. Google has a popup blocker too. And thats what we use to block for IE. But that is not going to stop this java script or jona's and plus that popup blocker is in a toolbar, the mozilla one is built into the browser. Plus being able to disable javascript on the fly is a real + when people have annoying no right click scripts or the ad is one of those scrolling ones on your screen that isnt actually a popup.

[soccer362001]

You mean this http://cmm.jedihost.net/virus.htm
Google blocked everyone of them.

[PeOfEo]

bah, but that does not make ie a good browser. That just makes the google toolbar a good toolbar. IE is not a terrible kill yourself browser but when compared to mozilla firebird it is sadly not the superior browser.

[soccer362001]

I personally do not like IE. I do like FireBird better but I dont know if my dad will let me change the default browser.

[Paul Jr]

Lol. Google's Toolbar blocked those popups, IE didn't do sh*t.

You're not sure if your Dad will let you change the default browser? Meh, just do it, and he won't even notice. Except for the fact that he'll have a much better browsing experience. ;)

[PeOfEo]

Just tell him about the fb toolbar that allows you to have a line of your sites on the top that you can drag down for quick use, this is extreamly conveinient. Tell him about the integrated search box that can do google, yahoo, all the web, whatever you put into it as a search engine (by default just google). Tell him it also has better support for java, I do not know what your dad uses the internet for so I can't think of anything else he might be interested in. I do not think a more accepted box model would appeal to him :rolleyes:

[fredmv]

Originally posted by PittsburghRed
other than junk ie? I realize that your problem has already been solved, but quick question: why not?