wut are these fields for? - Apache installation

[Daniel T]

Hey, I'm (still) having trouble installing PHP and Apache on my computer. This is probably because I have no idea what i am doing. Okay, so I downloaded a .msi file from apache.com entitled, "apache_2.0.48-win32-x86-no_ssl.msi". I run the installation, and this is what I get:

Welcome to the Installation Wizard for Apache HTTP Server 2.0.48...

i click "Next>":

License Agreement
Please read the following license agreement carefully...

i check "I accept the terms in the license agreement" and click "Next>":

Read This First
Read this Before Running Apache on Windows...

i click "Next>":
(this is where i get stumped)

Server Information
Please enter your server's information.

Network Domain(e.g. somenet.com):
{TEXTBOX}

Server Name(e.g. www.somenet.com):
{TEXTBOX}

Administrator's Email Address(e.g. webmaster@somenet.com):
{TEXTBOX}

Install Apache HTTP Server 2.0 prgrams and shortcuts for:
{RADIO BUTTON}for All Users, on Port 80, as a Service -- Recommended.
{RADIO BUTTON}only for the Current User, on Port 8080, when started Manually.

I have no idea what to put in any of these textboxes, or which button to check(although, I asume the correct one would be the one that says "Recommended";)). Could someone please explain to me what these are? Please dont use many big long words;).

[Daniel T]

nobody gonna help? awww... thats to bad. well i guess its never good to get your hopes up...;)
-Dan

[Robert Wellock]

http://www.firepages.com.au/

[Daniel T]

thanx, but, i dont really see what the point of the site is. i cant find much bout apache on it, and that's the main thing i am looking for now. thanx neways tho,
-Dan

[TheBearMay]

From Apache Windows Setup (http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/platform/windows.html)

Network Domain. Enter the DNS domain in which your server is or will be registered in. For example, if your server's full DNS name is server.mydomain.net, you would type mydomain.net here.

Server Name. Your server's full DNS name. From the example above, you would type server.mydomain.net here.

Administrator's Email Address. Enter the server administrator's or webmaster's email address here. This address will be displayed along with error messages to the client by default.

For whom to install Apache Select for All Users, on Port 80, as a Service - Recommended if you'd like your new Apache to listen at port 80 for incoming traffic. It will run as a service (that is, Apache will run even if no one is logged in on the server at the moment) Select only for the Current User, on Port 8080, when started Manually if you'd like to install Apache for your personal experimenting or if you already have another WWW server running on port 80.

The installation type. Select Typical for everything except the source code and libraries for module development. With Custom you can specify what to install. A full install will require about 13 megabytes of free disk space. This does not include the size of your web site(s).

Where to install. The default path is C:\Program Files\Apache Group under which a directory called Apache2 will be created by default.

[Daniel T]

where can i get a server? and how much will it cost? i am not looking to spend big bucks, so if its gonna cost me an arm n a leg, i probly shouldnt get into this stuff rite now.

[Paul Jr]

Originally posted by DanieLTomaS
where can i get a server? and how much will it cost? i am not looking to spend big bucks, so if its gonna cost me an arm n a leg, i probly shouldnt get into this stuff rite now.
Apache is a server...

[Daniel T]

o yeah, sry bout that. i do this kinda thing all the time. *smacks self on head with baseball bat* there, thats better;). wut i meant wuz, "where can i get a network domain?". ne1 able to tell me?
-Dan

[Aronya1]

Originally posted by DanieLTomaS
"where can i get a network domain
Try GoDaddy.com (http://www.godaddy.com)

[Daniel T]

ok, so is a network domain the same thing as a domain name? do you need a network domain to use apache on your computer?
-Dan

[Daniel T]

do you need a network domain to use apache?

[AdamGundry]

No, you can run Apache without a domain if you want to. A domain name is the name you type in to your web browser to access a particular website, amongst other things - for example, this site is part of the domain webdeveloper.com.

What are you installing Apache for? If you don't have/know about domain names, you probably don't need it.

Adam

[Daniel T]

i want to learn how to use php, and the book i bought says to install php and apche.
-Dan

[Paul Jr]

First question: Do you have a static IP? I.e., does your IP ever change? Better yet, do you have dial-up?
Second question: Do you want people from the outside to be able to type in your IP/An address and view your page?

If someone else hasn't, I can help ya out if you answer those two questions. ;)

[Daniel T]

Originally posted by Paul Jr
First question: Do you have a static IP? I.e., does your IP ever change? Better yet, do you have dial-up?
Second question: Do you want people from the outside to be able to type in your IP/An address and view your page?

If someone else hasn't, I can help ya out if you answer those two questions. ;)

1st question: i dont know if my ip ever changes, and we just switched from dial-up to wave yesterday;)

2nd question: no, that is why i would like to learn a server-side language. i would like to learn how to let people make secure credit card transactions for the business site im designing. also, i would like to set up a forum-like page for my school, and the accounts should be secure.

-Dan

[Paul Jr]

Originally posted by DanieLTomaS
1st question: i dont know if my ip ever changes, and we just switched from dial-up to wave yesterday;)

2nd question: no, that is why i would like to learn a server-side language. i would like to learn how to let people make secure credit card transactions for the business site im designing. also, i would like to set up a forum-like page for my school, and the accounts should be secure.

-Dan
Wave...? Never heard of it, but it's probably broadband? If so, then your IP won't change -- someone can correct me if I'm wrong ;).

Network Domain:
Alright, for the first field, "NetWork Domain", I actually entered "pauljunior.com" or some such thing; what you put there doesn't actually matter as far as I know. I never had any trouble with it.

Server Name
If your IP never changes, and you want to have people from the outside view your pages, put in your IP there. If your IP changes, and you don't want people to see your site, then put in "http://127.0.0.1/", or else if you do want people to view your site, you'll have to update that with your current IP every time. So, I'm assuming you don't want people viewing your pages, and you have a Static IP; so just put in your IP there.

Administrator's E-mail Address
That would just be your e-mail address there.


Now, I hope I got all this right. This is just coming from what I did, and what my book says. I haven't had any trouble with it, so... if anyone else here who actually knows what they're talking about ( :p ) sees something wrong; speak up!

[Daniel T]

Originally posted by Paul Jr
Wave...? Never heard of it, but it's probably broadband?

that would be correct! cant believe u havent heard of it, tho. maybe its a canadian thing;)

Originally posted by Paul Jr
If your IP never changes, and you want to have people from the outside view your pages, put in your IP there.

im not totally sure what an IP is exactly. from wut ive heard, its a number unique to each computer, but i may b way off. mind explainin it to me?
thanx,
-Dan

[Paul Jr]

Originally posted by DanieLTomaS
that would be correct! cant believe u havent heard of it, tho. maybe its a canadian thing;)

Heheh, maybe. ;)

Originally posted by DanieLTomaS
im not totally sure what an IP is exactly. from wut ive heard, its a number unique to each computer, but i may b way off. mind explainin it to me?
thanx,
-Dan
Well, I'm not too good at explaining things; people usually just get more confused. :( You could check out this, though. (http://www.google.com/search?q=define:IP)

[Daniel T]

thank you, ill check it out
-Dan

[Daniel T]

ok, i think ive kinda figured out wut it means. my question now is: how do i figure out wut my IP is?
-Dan

[Paul Jr]

I'm not sure about this Wave thing ya got goin' there, but on dial-up ya just click on the internet connection icon in the taskbar, hit the "Details" tab, and it's right there at the bottom: "Client IP Address: xxx.xx.xxx.xx".

[Daniel T]

mwuhahaha!! i've found it! just incase it comes in handy, it was located in:

Control Pannel>Network Connections>Local Area Connection 3>Status>Support>IP Address

k, so i put this number in th Server Name field, put somthing like "danielst.com" in the Network Domain field, and i put my email in the Admin Email Address?
-Dan

[Paul Jr]

Yup, that looks right to me.

[Daniel T]

for the Network Domain field, does it matter if the address u enter is already a site?
-Dan

[Paul Jr]

Hmmm... not exactly sure. I entered in something that wasn't a site, so I dunno...

:confused:

[Daniel T]

u say u entered "pauljunior.com (http://www.pauljunior.com)"? well, i just checked, and that is a site now, so i'm guessin it doesnt matter. also, is this something that can be easily changed in the future if it doesnt work?
-Dan

[Daniel T]

i have decided to try installing php manually again, using this guide (http://www.php.net/manual/en/install.windows.php). i want to know which way is the best way to go, CGI or SAPI?
thanx,
-Dan

[brendandonhue]

Just get yourself a cheap webhosting account. Clearly you don't know about server management, I can almost guarantee you are going to get yourself hacked.

[Paul Jr]

Originally posted by brendandonhue
Just get yourself a cheap webhosting account. Clearly you don't know about server management, I can almost guarantee you are going to get yourself hacked.
I don't know anything about Server Management, and I haven't been hacked yet. :D

[Daniel T]

no recommendations as to CGI or SAPI? then i guess i'll go wit SAPI. i wuz just reading a post by paul jr (http://forums.webdeveloper.com/showthread.php?threadid=25005) and pyro spoke of CGI as the "suicide" method.
-Dan

[Daniel T]

k, so i've now downloaded the php source, which comes in a file called "php-4.3.4.tar.bz2". to extract it, do i remove the ".bz2" first? winzip can extract the tar file, but windows doesnt recognize the .bz2 extension. i thot i better ask just to make sure(better safe than sorry;))
thanx,
-Dan

[Daniel T]

i removed the .bz2 extension from the php-4.3.4.tar.bz2 file to extract with winzip, but i get the following error message when i click "extract to...":
Error reading header after processing 0 entries.
any suggestions?
-Dan

[Paul Jr]

That's the source code you downloaded. ;)

I believe this is the link you want: http://us2.php.net/get/php-4.3.4-Win32.zip/from/a/mirror

[Daniel T]

o, well then, in that case, i already have it!:) thanks for clearin things up!
-Dan

*EDIT*
the link i posted a while back to the article i was using to install php(http://www.php.net/manual/en/install.windows.php) seemed to say it was a different file... the file u provided the link to, i already have as c:\PHP

[Daniel T]

should i have to build/compile any files(resolv.lib is the main file in question) to install php correctly on my computer? paul jr said that he didnt have to when he installed it, so im wondering if it is a necessary step. the article is in the link i posted above. i am on the section entitled "Configure MVC++". i cant figure out what to do next. help ne1?
-Dan

[Daniel T]

this thread can be deleted now. i have given up this method of installation and have continued an old thread of the same topic (http://forums.webdeveloper.com/showthread.php?threadid=25005). thanx to evry1 who helped me on this thread.
-Dan