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02-11-2004, 10:17 AM
Placing Graphics/Images inside Text with Style Sheets/Filters & HTML




As of Internet Explorer 4 you can now do a combination of style sheets and style filters and / or html

to have images show through text in webpages.

The results are comparable to images and load much faster and are easier than learning graphic design.

In Netscape you will just see the regular text colors that you made it.

You can edit the text any way you chose and they will load equally as fast regardless of size.

Equally as important is it is read by search engines.

THE MOST IMPORTANT FILTER IS THE :

CHROMA FILTER

AND SECONDARY FILTERS TO ADD EFFECTS COULD BE:

DROPSHADOW
SHADOW
GLOW
WAVE
EMBOSS
ENGRAVE
ETC....


CASCADING STYLE SHEETS ARE NECESSARY FOR THE FINE TUNING OF THE TEXT.

font-weight
letter-spacing
word-spacing
font-weight
etc...

YOU CAN SUBSTITUTE REGULAR HTML IN SOME CASES.

ADDITIONALLY, JAVACRIPT OR VBS CAN BE ADDED TO MAKE THE TEXT DYNAMIC. ( or just the Marquee Tag )

OR FLASH CAN BE PLACED INSIDE OF THE TEXT WITH SLIGHT MODIFICATIONS OF THE CODE!


An example of this effect can be seen at:

http://hempnut.bizland.com/picturetext.html


It is very spontaneous and will allow instant customization

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96turnerri
02-11-2004, 10:58 AM
been there done that :D

pyro
02-11-2004, 11:06 AM
It's IE proprietary crap, and thus should be avoided like a plague...

PhillMc
02-11-2004, 02:18 PM
I have heard of it, and I think that it is nice. However, I agree with Pyro. If it's not cross-browser, then it's not worth being touched.

fredmv
02-11-2004, 02:24 PM
Originally posted by pyro
It's IE proprietary crap, and thus should be avoided like a plague... Agreed.

96turnerri
02-11-2004, 05:45 PM
Originally posted by pyro
It's IE proprietary crap, and thus should be avoided like a plague...
Originally posted by PhillMC
However, I agree with Pyro. If it's not cross-browser, then it's not worth being touched.

i agree too, listen to these men, dont even consider using it in my opinion

Paul Jr
02-11-2004, 07:37 PM
Originally posted by pyro
It's IE proprietary crap, and thus should be avoided like a plague...
I agree completely. I have a bunker outside in the yard incase things like IE Proprietary crap invades the earth or something. ;)

The bunker is stocked with good, wholesome, Standards-Compliant code and browsers. :p

Ben Rogers
02-11-2004, 07:45 PM
Originally posted by pyro
It's IE proprietary crap, and thus should be avoided like a plague...

word, but sometimes a good effect is a good effect, and youll have to settle for only a portion of the web viewing it correctly. *just my opinion*

however only so much as consider it if its a very, very large portion. no flamin :rolleyes:

96turnerri
02-11-2004, 07:47 PM
i look down on ur opinion :mad:

Ben Rogers
02-11-2004, 07:55 PM
hey thats flaming!!!! lol

but, its like using the ie 'hack' so it recognizes active and hover pseudos for all elements... which i just learned bout 5 min ago... :rolleyes:

96turnerri
02-11-2004, 08:04 PM
flaming wot u on now? lol

dont you have h/w to do or something? :p little boy :D

Paul Jr
02-11-2004, 08:06 PM
Alright, Children, let's calm down before Pryo The Super-Mod comes by and exacts his Super-Mod Wrath upon us all and closes this thread.

96turnerri
02-11-2004, 08:08 PM
:o children got almost exactly three years on you boy, neway he knows im only joking

back to the thread i dont think no matter what the aesthetic appeal is it shouldnt be used, unless compatable in majority of browsers

Paul Jr
02-11-2004, 08:13 PM
Originally posted by 96turnerri
:o children got almost exactly three years on you boy, neway he knows im only joking
Uh huh... riiiiiiight. ;)

Originally posted by 96turnerri
back to the thread i dont think no matter what the aesthetic appeal is it shouldnt be used, unless compatable in majority of browsers
True. I also find lots of these filters really annoying. Especially when applied to text. :( But fortunately, since I use TBDBOTPBL, I don't have to deal with such things. :D

96turnerri
02-11-2004, 08:31 PM
well either i have, or you lied on ur application :o :o :o naught 15yr old

There you are with that acronym again, i dont have to deal with them easier, but u always get clients saying o i have seen this and i want it on my site, so you have to convince them its a bad idea, im thinking bout writing out something and just giving it to them, when a client wants, loadsa js or other crap that jst doesnt cut it when making sites. We shouldnt really be saying all this cos im ! ! is proud for finding this and wants to use it, weve told him what we think, now its up to him

Paul Jr
02-11-2004, 08:39 PM
Originally posted by 96turnerri
well either i have, or you lied on ur application :o :o :o naught 15yr old

There you are with that acronym again, i dont have to deal with them easier, but u always get clients saying o i have seen this and i want it on my site, so you have to convince them its a bad idea, im thinking bout writing out something and just giving it to them, when a client wants, loadsa js or other crap that jst doesnt cut it when making sites. We shouldnt really be saying all this cos im ! ! is proud for finding this and wants to use it, weve told him what we think, now its up to him
Heheheh... you'll never know. :D


If I ever get into this business, I shall refuse such things. Clients can go find someone else to bog up their site if they want such Plague-like Proprietary Junk! :mad:

Ben Rogers
02-11-2004, 09:42 PM
turner... just no (i finished my homework btw :D)

and, what i mean by using an effect thats not 100% supported is things like js and that kind of thing.

96turnerri
02-11-2004, 10:17 PM
its fine to use js for an effect lets say uum, mouse over a button it changes depress or something, but not if the site is unusable to those without js, unless you know who will be using your site then it is fine, to use say a js menu or login etc

Paul Jr
02-11-2004, 10:18 PM
Originally posted by 96turnerri
its fine to use js for an effect lets say uum, mouse over a button it changes depress or something
That can easily be achieved with CSS. ;)

96turnerri
02-11-2004, 10:19 PM
yeah or just as easily with js, its not vital to the sites functionality so doesnt matter if it does it or not

Vladdy
02-11-2004, 10:33 PM
Originally posted by 96turnerri
yeah or just as easily with js, its not vital to the sites functionality so doesnt matter if it does it or not
You think so?
Do hover effect with JS to highlight current row and current cell in a 10x10 table, then I do the same with CSS and we compare KB :p

96turnerri
02-12-2004, 03:45 AM
true but im not tlking about highlighting cells in tables :P

fredmv
02-12-2004, 04:46 AM
Originally posted by 96turnerri
true but im not tlking about highlighting cells in tablesRegardless of what specifically you are referring to, CSS is the better solution.

Robert Wellock
02-12-2004, 06:58 AM
What was the original thread again, I seem to remember it was a poll from someone who seemed to be barraging the forum with pointless advertising material .

:mad:

96turnerri
02-12-2004, 07:01 AM
Originally posted by fredmv
Regardless of what specifically you are referring to, CSS is the better solution.

what so you can do calculations with css now? :o no, i used mouseover as an example maybe bad example, all i said was if u use js dont use it so it is essenstial to have it enable when viewing a site

Ben Rogers
02-12-2004, 03:18 PM
I know, i know, i would never do that on my site. I still remember when i had no flash support on my computer, then there were those sires with big menus made with, guess what? a-holes.

Paul Jr
02-12-2004, 03:44 PM
Originally posted by Robert Wellock
What was the original thread again, I seem to remember it was a poll from someone who seemed to be barraging the forum with pointless advertising material .

:mad:
Yes, I believe it was. So hopefully we won't get nailed too harshly for going off-topic. :D


And yes, your site should not depend on JS for functionality. If it does, you need to rethink your site. ;)

Originally posted by Vladdy
You think so?
Do hover effect with JS to highlight current row and current cell in a 10x10 table, then I do the same with CSS and we compare KB
Heheheheh. :p

fredmv
02-12-2004, 03:47 PM
Originally posted by 96turnerri
what so you can do calculations with css now?Just about, actually (if you include dynamic content generation for counters). However, I was referring to using JavaScript for a rollover effect as opposed to using CSS; CSS if the obvious better solution.

Ben Rogers
02-12-2004, 03:58 PM
wouldnt that, technically, be using images, then implementing them with css? and yes, CSS is the better solution, i agree.

96turnerri
02-12-2004, 05:20 PM
yes i was using that as an example, bad example i know but you see what i mean? yay nay?

Ben Rogers
02-13-2004, 03:57 PM
yes, but you got my hopes up ofr a second (well a day or so, but o well)! i was hoping that to be a corrective post, stating that there was some way to make css do js like things... cry, cry :p

96turnerri
02-13-2004, 04:54 PM
there is, u been on those happy pills again?

Ben Rogers
02-13-2004, 05:01 PM
damn, how did YOU know?!?

96turnerri
02-13-2004, 05:13 PM
cos i saw them next to your bed, i think i takes more than 46 muscles to frown btw, neway i think this thread has finsihed

Ben Rogers
02-13-2004, 05:29 PM
probably has, but i think ill see if anyone wants to rekindle the topic, until it gets locked by pyro anyways. hes all mean and stuff. And if pyros reading this... *scuttles away*

96turnerri
02-13-2004, 05:45 PM
hes not mean just firm and does what he thinks is best and taking his responsibility seriously

PhillMc
02-16-2004, 01:36 PM
Originally posted by Robert Wellock
What was the original thread again, I seem to remember it was a poll from someone who seemed to be barraging the forum with pointless advertising material .

:mad:

AGREED! Who is this guy and why the (insert any 4 letter word) does he think he has to post several screen fulls of crap on each forum!!??

PhillMc
02-16-2004, 01:40 PM
Originally posted by omega
probably has, but i think ill see if anyone wants to rekindle the topic, until it gets locked by pyro anyways. hes all mean and stuff. And if pyros reading this... *scuttles away*

:mad: :mad:
Mean?! The man is doing his job.

Ben Rogers
02-16-2004, 04:44 PM
i was kidding. couldnt you tell by me saying "scuttles away"?

96turnerri
02-16-2004, 05:18 PM
Originally posted by PhillMc
:mad: :mad:
Mean?! The man is doing his job.

this is not his job he doesnt get paid for it

pyro
02-16-2004, 05:31 PM
Is getting paid what qualifies a job? It's volunteer work, a job of sorts.

Either way, by reason of explination, we try to limit the off topic conversation as it had gotten out of hand in the past (and seems to be getting there, again) where every thread would go off topic. That is simply a waste of this forums resources.

Paul Jr
02-16-2004, 05:42 PM
Originally posted by pyro
Is getting paid what qualifies a job? It's volunteer work, a job of sorts.

Either way, by reason of explination, we try to limit the off topic conversation as it had gotten out of hand in the past (and seems to be getting there, again) where every thread would go off topic. That is simply a waste of this forums resources.
I have no life; I'm on here a lot. I'd be willing to close posts ect... if I had the power. :D

Ben Rogers
02-16-2004, 06:24 PM
yeah i'd want the power to close posts that were put in the wrong thread.. i.e.: js q's in the css thread

PhillMc
02-16-2004, 06:33 PM
Originally posted by 96turnerri
this is not his job he doesnt get paid for it
He is a moderator, right. Therefore, it is his responsibility to watch the forum, therefore, this is his job.

You dont have to get paid for something to make it your job. Your basic responsiblities, for examples, are your jobs.

I really meant no offense by it, I was only defending him :)

Ben Rogers
02-16-2004, 06:45 PM
defending, v: see kissing ass.
i.e.: Originally posted by PhillMc I was only defending him :)
:rolleyes:

pyro
02-16-2004, 06:56 PM
Alright, that's enought.

I really hate having to close threads...