web development

[bhamblin]

My main objective is to become a web developer, not so much web page or web site design. I'm a real greenie, but I suppose this entails more programming. Not exactly sure, so anyone that does this more info would be welcome. Oh, and thank you everyone that responded to my previous thread, for your info, as well as responses to this one.:)

[PeOfEo]

ahhh pyro, could you merge this with http://forums.webdeveloper.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28642. Also feel free to chime in since you have clients sending you to aspen or whever so you can make them websites :D. A developer can be a designer or a scripter or both. If you are freelance you might do all of the design and scripting, but for a large company you might be comeing out with layouts and aesthetics while the scripting people do all of the data base, security, all of the dynamic stuff and content in general.

[buntine]

Actually, i think there is a difference between a Web Developer and a Web Designer.

Web developers spend most of their time working on back-end solutions whilst Web Designers spend the majority of their time designing the interface.

There is plenty of work for Web Developers floating around and the demand will only get larger.

The last two companies i have worked for have just contracted me to re-develop a huge Content Management System. So the work is often on-going.

Programming is never easy and it will take a considerable amount of tiem before you will be ready to start creating business applications.

Regards,
Andrew buntine.

[fabeddie]

Well, this is a newer Web Developer speaking. I am here at this forum to learn myself. I have several sites up and running and know the difficulties and time it takes to learn to do a job that commands pay. But on the top of this page is the link to Joe Burns HTML Goodies. Not only are his books neccessary to success, but his site is so valuable in learning.
I look forward to all the help I know I will receive from this site. It appears to me that many knowledgable people belong to this forum.
Ed Clark

[PeOfEo]

Originally posted by fabeddie
Well, this is a newer Web Developer speaking. I am here at this forum to learn myself. I have several sites up and running and know the difficulties and time it takes to learn to do a job that commands pay. But on the top of this page is the link to Joe Burns HTML Goodies. Not only are his books neccessary to success, but his site is so valuable in learning.
I look forward to all the help I know I will receive from this site. It appears to me that many knowledgable people belong to this forum.
Ed Clark Oh gosh :D Do not ever buy one of those books again. Goodies is a key ingredient in failior. How about you run htmlgoodies.com through the w3c validator? That site and those books teach outdated, inaccessable, and invalid code that could actually end up getting you in trouble with the law under the americans with disabilities act and its uk counterpart (scare tactcis). Html goodies is not the internet messiah, it is not the road to success.

[Rifter72]

HTMLGoodies is a good site to start with despite the fact that it teaches outdated and invalid code. It is presented clearly and makes learning easy. I actually started with that site and bought some of the books. But like PeofEo said, I quickly learned that they were behind the times. For one, most of the HTML code they teach is non-compliant with xhtml standards and accessibility standards. That being said, it is a good site to START with but please continue to learn and explore and check with the W3C for the current specs and standards. The sad thing is Joe Burns was an inspiration to a lot of people but his HTMLGoodies has been stuck in the past and needs a huge makeover to get current.

[PeOfEo]

Originally posted by Rifter72
HTMLGoodies is a good site to start with despite the fact that it teaches outdated and invalid code. It is presented clearly and makes learning easy. I actually started with that site and bought some of the books. But like PeofEo said, I quickly learned that they were behind the times. For one, most of the HTML code they teach is non-compliant with xhtml standards and accessibility standards. That being said, it is a good site to START with but please continue to learn and explore and check with the W3C for the current specs and standards. The sad thing is Joe Burns was an inspiration to a lot of people but his HTMLGoodies has been stuck in the past and needs a huge makeover to get current. I would still not pay for a book that teaches you the wrong way to do things. It might be ok for day one to learn what html is, but when its time to get down to business its http://www.w3schools.com all the way.

[fabeddie]

Thanks for the help...I've learned something already.
Thanks for the W3Schools online site...I have some other questions.....I am currently using Plesk 6...but my server is changing to cPanel. I have another friend using one I haven't even heard of. Give me some direction as to what you all think is the best???...or easiest forum here.
Thanks
Ed

[Sam]

using them for what? file managers? text editors?
you can do just about everything cpanel does with a good (http://www.sf.net/projects/filezilla) ftp client, and some basic web design knowledge

[Salimacatwoman]

I think there's a big difference between being web developer and web designer.

For me web developer is the one who can create programms and understands about servers things like that,also about the several programs that can be used on a site.

Web designer would be the one who is able to use the different kind of programs for building a site,like using PHP,Dreamweaver and all those other programs.

Maybe I am wrong but it's just my point of view.:)

[PeOfEo]

Originally posted by Salimacatwoman
I think there's a big difference between being web developer and web designer.

For me web developer is the one who can create programms and understands about servers things like that,also about the several programs that can be used on a site.

Web designer would be the one who is able to use the different kind of programs for building a site,like using PHP,Dreamweaver and all those other programs.

Maybe I am wrong but it's just my point of view.:) Php would not be design, php is server side scripting. Dreamweaver has excelent support of php, but php would be the development part of it and not the design part.

[Salimacatwoman]

Originally posted by PeOfEo
Php would not be design, php is server side scripting. Dreamweaver has excelent support of php, but php would be the development part of it and not the design part.

Yes you are right,I actually can say I am learning "that kind of language",but I must say my posting was in the sense of making the difference between Web developer and Web designer:)

[Crazy]

Know this - to be a professional web developer nowadays requires knowledge across the board, that means presentation, data, and business layers. This means a life time of studying. Web Development isn't a career it is a lifestyle. In addition the salaries today are pretty pathetic when you consider the ongoing effort you have to make to stay in this game (hell I know thick as two plank sales reps that earn more than me - it makes me sick).

As others have said you are better off starting out on your own rather than working for someone else, this doesn't always mean developing sites for other people, you can set up your own business (outside of developing sites for other people), any business.

[Salimacatwoman]

Originally posted by Crazy
Know this - to be a professional web developer nowadays requires knowledge across the board, that means presentation, data, and business layers. This means a life time of studying. Web Development isn't a career it is a lifestyle. In addition the salaries today are pretty pathetic when you consider the ongoing effort you have to make to stay in this game (hell I know thick as two plank sales reps that earn more than me - it makes me sick).

As others have said you are better off starting out on your own rather than working for someone else, this doesn't always mean developing sites for other people, you can set up your own business (outside of developing sites for other people), any business.

What you have said is completely true,the work/job as Web developer,Web designer or Webmaster should be an extra job,so it means working into a 8 to 5 office and later do the web job:)