How to clear IE browser visited sites

[Duke Will]

All of the sites that show in the browser window, in the drop down box, how can you clear all of that out?

[fredmv]

http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/

[Duke Will]

Say what? This is IE browser and I need to clear out the websites that show in the dropdown window at top of browser.

[fredmv]

I'm completely aware. The above link is the answer to that question. In other words, ditch that substandard HTML renderer and use a real browser. You won't regret it.

[Duke Will]

I've already got Mozilla but I am at a friend's house and he uses IE.

[The Cheat]

try tools>internet options>clear history

[fredmv]

The above will not work even if it may seem as if it does. If you've not yet realized, IE is actually considered harmful (http://ashitaka-san.home.comcast.net/yayrant/ieharmful.html). Check out the part about how IE violates your privacy and you just might see why I suggested installing Mozilla instead. Also take close note of everything else mentioned on that page…

[buntine]

lol. I have never seen such hatred towards a peice of software. You may aswell delete your temp files while your at it. tools>internet options>delete files.
EDIT: you have to restart before this will take effect.

[fredmv]

Originally posted by Duke Will
IE browser I'd just like to remind you (and perhaps others) that IE actually isn't a browser. It doesn't implement the HTTP protocol correctly and thus cannot accurately or correctly be referred to as a browser. Hence why I refer to it as a substandard HTML renderer.

[steelersfan88]

while in the minds of you and others this is true, but there is not HTTP Protocol dictionary, but there is a Webster's one, which defines browser as software designed to enable a user to access and display data on the Wrold Wide Web.

(Ryan, just a dissenting opinion, we will see how the argument starts...)

[Paul Jr]

Originally posted by steelersfan88
while in the minds of you and others this is true, but there is not HTTP Protocol dictionary, but there is a Webster's one, which defines browser as software designed to enable a user to access and display data on the Wrold Wide Web.

(Ryan, just a dissenting opinion, we will see how the argument starts...)
Could you explain why you constantly stick up for IE? I see no reason to... to anyone who has ever used a Gecko browser, it is painfully obvious that IE is inferior in every way.

[steelersfan88]

I told you Ryan ... you know what I'm talking about.

I want users to realize that IE is also a browser choice that is suitable for them, and more convenient as Microsoft Windows has included it installed, no extra downloads, no extra CPU storage required, all built into a computer. Reason #1 ... Convenience.

Users should also realize that the "substandard" browser, as many call it, is not really the trash that it is called, but more as just an option that doesn't require any change, and while change can be good, it means becoming accustomed to new things, etc. Reason #2 ... Accomodation.

I could go on and on, but I simply want everyone to realize that IE is a browser that will work well enough to code with, test with, surf with, and program/script with. Users should not become acquainted with the fact that Mozilla is the only web browser out there, and that IE has advantages over Mozilla, as does in the reverse order.

[Paul Jr]

Originally posted by steelersfan88
I told you Ryan ... you know what I'm talking about.
What exactly is that supposed to mean...? I don't want to start an argument, I prefer a discussion on why you continually stick up for IE and diss Mozilla.

Originally posted by steelersfan88
I want users to realize that IE is also a browser choice that is suitable for them, and more convenient as Microsoft Windows has included it installed, no extra downloads, no extra CPU storage required, all built into a computer. Reason #1 ... Convenience.
I suppose it is more convenient; Firebird 0.7 used to come in a .zip file, ready to run. I don't think Firefox does.

Originally posted by steelersfan88
Users should also realize that the "substandard" browser, as many call it, is not really the trash that it is called, but more as just an option that doesn't require any change, and while change can be good, it means becoming accustomed to new things, etc. Reason #2 ... Accomodation.
A computer is a new thing. If you're already familiar with a computer, I don't see how switching to a better browser would be that much more difficult. I've switched my computer illiterate Mother over to Firebird, and she likes it a whole lot more than IE.

Originally posted by steelersfan88
Users should not become acquainted with the fact that Mozilla is the only web browser out there...
Most people don't know anything else exists, so it's not like Mozilla has an unfair advantage. I mean, the company who makes them isn't a multi-billion dollar monopoly...

Originally posted by steelersfan88
and that IE has advantages over Mozilla, as does in the reverse order.
Care to share with the rest of the class?

[steelersfan88]

I've previously gave some examples, I need not list them all. Obviously Mozilla is not a monopoly, as only 1-2 percent of Internet Users use it, while 90-95 percent use IE. Some of those actually choose to use it because they like it, in addition to its convenience.

The i told you ryan is specifically referring to ryan here, as stated, and this is not your business. I am not attempting to start an argument, again, but to engage in the thread to inform the user of the choices he or she has. I am not dissing Mozilla, please state somewhere in my posts on this thread where I have because I can't find one.

Convencience and Accomodation = No Action Necessary, all ready installed, commands in similarity to all Microsoft standard programs. Switching may be easier for some, but I reckon that many users would rather not leave IE, and many not because of the popularity it has, nor the ignorance of other browsers.

Don't feel that I am an IE-obsessed eccentric person, as I am not. I simply feel that users are permitted to choose their browser at will, rather than be dictated to regarding the browser they should use, but the should is always left out, stated that they must, as I quote fred here: "In other words, ditch that substandard HTML renderer and use a real browser. You won't regret it." Notice how this is a command, not a suggestion, and while maybe intended that way, can not be guaranteed that everyone who has read this post will view it the same way.

What are we quoting this time?

[Paul Jr]

Originally posted by steelersfan88
Don't feel that I am an IE-obsessed eccentric person, as I am not. I simply feel that users are permitted to choose their browser at will, rather than be dictated to regarding the browser they should use, but the should is always left out, stated that they must, as I quote fred here: "In other words, ditch that substandard HTML renderer and use a real browser. You won't regret it." Notice how this is a command, not a suggestion, and while maybe intended that way, can not be guaranteed that everyone who has read this post will view it the same way.
As you stated, IE is installed and ready to run on every MS OS. So, since the user already has IE installed, and has probably used it ever since they have had their computer, I think it's only fair that Fred suggest, in whatever way he feels right, another, better browser.
You make it out as if Mozilla has an unfair advantage or some such thing, yet it is the other way around, as IE is already installed, and most people have never heard of Mozilla. I think it's only right that Fred, as a concerned developer who wants to steer the web in the right direction, suggest the use of a better, safer, compliant, more user-friendly browser.

[steelersfan88]

but fred is not correctly suggesting by performing a command. When giving a suggestion to another, you don't tell them do this, you tell them, I suggest ...

Please prefer to my last post for fred's quote, which shows little intention of showing a suggestion.

[Paul Jr]

Originally posted by steelersfan88
but fred is not correctly suggesting by performing a command. When giving a suggestion to another, you don't tell them do this, you tell them, I suggest ...

Please prefer to my last post for fred's quote, which shows little intention of showing a suggestion.
He did not explicitly say that the original poster had to switch. He may not have said, "Well, if you want to, you could switch to a Mozilla." He rather strongly suggested ditching IE, as it's not technically a browser, unsafe, and not very compliant.

[steelersfan88]

ut I feel he could have made this more applicable to the user by simply saying as you did, I strongly suggest you ... rather than just the ...

[fredmv]

Originally posted by steelersfan88
while in the minds of you and others this is true, but there is not HTTP Protocol dictionary, but there is a Webster's one, which defines browser as software designed to enable a user to access and display data on the Wrold Wide Web.That doesn't matter, however. Regardless what the dictionary says it does not always mean it's true — especially in cases like this when defining technical terms. When you access a page through IE, it is being rendered incorrectly due to the quirkyness, subpar rendering engine (i.e., Trident/Tasman).

And, moreover, when attempting to access certain media types IE does sometimes not correctly understand the HTTP Content-Type header sent by the server and thus the user does not get the content delivered correctly to them. This is a huge problem that will likely never be fixed and as long as this fatal bug exists, IE cannot be correctly or accurately be referred to as a browser. And that's that — there's nothing more to it.Originally posted by steelersfan88
I want users to realize that IE is also a browser choice that is suitable for themNo. False on all accounts. IE is not a browser as aforementioned and it is not suitable for any sane person. I personally don't like the fatal security holes and incredibly poor support for Web standards. IE has dug us into a hole of incompatibility due to none other than proprietary and other such quirky, incorrect implementations. That's under a developer's point of view; for an "average user", it is also simply unbearable to use IE. From a user's point of view, do you really think they enjoy pages loading as well as rendering slower, and aside from that, being displayed incorrectly and aside from that, pop-ups, and aside from that, spyware/adware, etc. It's simply a neverending nightmare.Originally posted by steelersfan88
and more convenient as Microsoft Windows has included it installed, no extra downloads, no extra CPU storage required, all built into a computer. Reason #1 ... Convenience.Convenience, you say? I say sheer laziness. Just because you have to endure the incredibly painful task of downloading and installing (in some versions) Mozilla, doesn't mean you shouldn't use it. In fact, this is where most IE newbies feel they are right in saying IE is the right browser (which it actually isn't) for them: they claim they use it because it comes installed by default. This is simply a poor excuse for using subpar and moreover, proprietary solutions. It's laziness, nothing more. There's no good excuse.Originally posted by steelersfan88
Users should also realize that the "substandard" browser, as many call it, is not really the trash that it is calledIndeed it is. Nice try covering up for it, but you're again completely incorrect. Could you perhaps show me, specifically, why this is true? Oh wait — you can't because it isn't. IE sucks for multiple reasons, but in the case of a Web developer it doesn't support the Web standards (http://www.w3.org/) that it absolutely should. At the time of writing (and perhaps forever), IE doesn't support:
DOM2 (http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-2-Core/). IE fails to implement DOM2 interfaces and instead introduces proprietary solutions which, in turn, is slowly but surely destorying the web.
Pages served as XML applications. Pages, such as XHTML or otherwise, served with an XML application MIME type (e.g., application/xhtml+xml, application/xml, etc.), IE doesn't support this correctly whatsoever and actually prompts the user to download the file. How incredibly stupid. This is why server-side scripts must first check to see if the client in question can handle the correct MIME type. Mozilla and other conforming browsers in which understand XHTML correctly served as an XML application will render the page much quicker due to it using an XML processor.
Proper PNG support. See: http://www.petitiononline.com/msiepng/petition.html.
CSS2 (http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/). Sadly, this is a W3C recommendation from 1998 and IE still fails to correctly implement it. With CSS3 coming around the corner, all you can do is wish.
There are, as you would imagine, tons of other things IE (annoyingly) fails to support, but these were just a few of the bigger ones.Originally posted by steelersfan88
it means becoming accustomed to new thingsSorry. I'm not buying that. Getting accustomed to what new things? Mozilla is so self explanitory as to how to use it that requires virtually no extra learning. What you learn is that you'll never use IE again, and how to enjoy tons of new, useful features that are forever lacking in IE.Originally posted by steelersfan88
well enough to code withReally? Well enough to code with? Not true. As stated above, IE fails miserably as supporting Web standards issued by the leaders of the Web: the W3C.Originally posted by steelersfan88
test withThis is an interesting one. I can honestly say that no one wants to see their work displayed incorrectly, and this is just the case here.Originally posted by steelersfan88
surf withPop-ups, spyware/adware, annoying JavaScript as well as VBScript, etc. — sounds great. If you don't want any of these annoyances you'd do what any other sane person would do — use a real browser: Mozilla.Originally posted by steelersfan88
and program/script withNo. As noted above, no one wants their work displayed incorrectly. In this case, executed incorrectly. It could also could introduce some proprietary extensions which should be completely avoided simply because that goes against what the W3C is trying to accomplish: an accessible Web for all.Originally posted by steelersfan88
Users should not become acquainted with the fact that Mozilla is the only web browser out thereOh – sure – I'll give you that. Mozilla is not the only browser out there, however, it surely stands out from the rest in numerous ways. And, carefully note, IE is not a browser no matter how much you want it to be.Originally posted by steelersfan88
and that IE has advantages over MozillaIt does? Which ones, if you don't mind? Don't say anything immature such as "it comes by default with Windows!" because as I've already noted that just doesn't fly. It's sheer laziness. Could it be, perhaps, the dangerously insecure nature of it — or, wait — the incredibly poor support for Web standards?Originally posted by steelersfan88
Some of those actually choose to use it because they like it, in addition to its convenienceThat's actually just another poor excuse. Again, I'm not buying that. The fact is: IE users don't know there are alternatives out there, so they just continue using IE mindlessly. Microsoft, sadly, in one edition of Windows, named the IE icon "the Internet" to fool users into beliving that IE was the only way you could browse the Web, which is obviously not true by any means, and is actually one of the worst (if not the worst) ways to experience it.Originally posted by steelersfan88
I simply feel that users are permitted to choose their browser at will, rather than be dictated to regarding the browser they should use, but the should is always left out, stated that they must, as I quote fred here: "In other words, ditch that substandard HTML renderer and use a real browser. You won't regret it." Notice how this is a command, not a suggestion, and while maybe intended that way, can not be guaranteed that everyone who has read this post will view it the same way.Sure. I agree that everyone has the right to their opinion, but guess what? If their current opinion is putting them in danger in some such way (read: IE's insecureness), I'll try to save them and tell them to move to an actual browser in which is safe. Whether you viewed my post as a "command" or not, it doesn't really matter. This is because I'm attempting to help the person in question. Consider a situation where someone was in danger of becoming a drug addict. Does that person get subtly told that this might not be such a good idea? Of course not. They are told quite blatantly that it's something they shouldn't do.

[gizmo]

Good post, Fred, but my mother used to use the expression "there's none to deaf as those that don't want to hear".

[steelersfan88]

I'll say one name to get this by fred, as I no longer read your posts, but simply laugh at your poor judgement.

ryan, please see above, and the previous page!

(I did catch a glimpse of your drug addict ?, and I would not command the person to do anything. I would make a suggestion with reason behind it. It is not my life being ruined, its their life. their life, their choice!)

[fredmv]

The truth hurts, doesn't it? ;)

[Vladdy]

Originally posted by steelersfan88
<snip /> I simply feel that users are permitted to choose their browser at will, rather than be dictated to regarding the browser they should use<snip />

Now, does not M$ deny this choice to users by shipping their crappy HTML renderer (may I use your perfect term, Fred?) with the OS. :confused: :rolleyes:

EDIT: spelling :o

[fredmv]

Originally posted by Vladdy
may I use your perfect term, Fred?For sure. There's not much else you can refer to it as&hellip; :rolleyes:

[steelersfan88]

regarding fred's previous post #2: i have found the truth last year, and since then, it has never hurt me, as my pages are not slowly rendered, never receive popups, nor get in trouble for coding of which I use!

Microsoft does not deny this right. Originally, Microsoft actually loaded Microsoft Internet Explorer as a Windows Component when loading, back i nthe 95 version. The message has disappeared, but the browser is still existant. Get a new OS if you don't want IE installed.

Call Microsoft dumb if you want, I'll call them enormously intelligent, as they have done what they need to bring in over 90 percent of IE users, no one can argue with the facts!

I refer to IE as a browser, maybe not you, but I've found no reason not to. You can call it what you want.

[fredmv]

Originally posted by steelersfan88
my pages are not slowly renderedCompletely incorrect. It's merely a fact that Trident/Tasman are subpar rendering engines when compared side by side with Gecko.Originally posted by steelersfan88
I never receive popupsThat's likely because you have some kind of spyware add-on which helps IE to do this. The fact still stands, however: IE doesn't contain this by default.Originally posted by steelersfan88
nor get in trouble for coding of which I use!It's proprietary hence non-standard; you do the math.Originally posted by steelersfan88
Originally, Microsoft actually loaded Microsoft Internet Explorer as a Windows Component when loadingAnd this means? Nothing. Originally posted by steelersfan88
Get a new OS if you don't want IE installed.I've already migrated to SuSE Linux long ago. Originally posted by steelersfan88
as they have done what they need to bring in over 90 percent of IE users, no one can argue with the facts!How many of those users know there are alternatives? ;)Originally posted by steelersfan88
I refer to IE as a browserIncorrectly, however.

[Vladdy]

<note nature="philosophical">
How can you explain to the blind what light is???</note>

[steelersfan88]

Helen Keller understood this, and she could not hear also. Ask Anne Sullivann.

Fred, I know the rendering of my browser. I have used Mozilla to compare and the results simply are not different. I have no spyware, nor a pop-up blocker installed.

In an IE-only game, does this matter? I'm very good at math, I think not that this is a math problem!

How many know, well I guarantee 3/4 at least noi about eithe rNetscape, Mozilla, or Opera. The other 3/4 are those who don't know what they are doing, and as that number dramatically decreases, the IE percentages are not :)

[Paul Jr]

Originally posted by steelersfan88
How many know, well I guarantee 3/4 at least noi about eithe rNetscape, Mozilla, or Opera. The other 3/4 are those who don't know what they are doing, and as that number dramatically decreases, the IE percentages are not :)
You'd be surprised at the number of computer savvy people who either have no idea Mozilla, Opera, or Netscape exist, or just don't know exactly what they are.

[steelersfan88]

Nearly everyone knows at least baout Netscape, especially the younger users, whio use AIM, as they are partened with Netscape.

[Paul Jr]

Originally posted by steelersfan88
Nearly everyone knows at least baout Netscape, especially the younger users, whio use AIM, as they are partened with Netscape.
I know several people who use AIM, MSM, YIM, and various other IM clients who don't know about Netscape. And those that do, only know that it's just another browser, and one you have to download, which most don't like doing.

[steelersfan88]

Then I guess many prople are blind as well: This links to a picture that AIM often shows, and that AOL users see when using the screen name service. picture (http://my.screenname.aol.com/images/sns_logo_brands.gif) (note that the picture is transparent and is shown on a blue background, therefore becoming legible.)

[steelersfan88]

Mozilla research. I've done some research across the net and found many opinions of mixed feelings. No-one, of which is a credible source that actually has compared the way the two were programmed claims that Mozilla is a great browser. Here are some of the things I've heard:[list=1]
The download manager is still underdeveloped
The multitab interface opens a link in a new window by default, erasing the benefits of tabs
we don't recommend using ... for mission-critical tasks.
User interface poor, ugly colors.
[/list=1]Note that some also disagreed, however only credible sources are being kept on track.

EDIT: Please note, before anyone accuses me of this, these are not my opinions, I have copied them from credible sources online.

[Vladdy]

Originally posted by steelersfan88
Mozilla research. I've done some research across the net and found many opinions of mixed feelings. No-one, of which is a credible source that actually has compared the way the two were programmed claims that Mozilla is a great browser. <snip />
You are so full of it :rolleyes:
http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,110653,pg,11,00.asp
http://forbes.com/infoimaging/2004/02/04/cx_ah_0204tentech.html
http://www.xulplanet.com/ndeakin/arts/reasons.html
http://www.infoworld.com/article/04/03/19/12OPstrategic_1.html
http://www.crmbuyer.com/perl/story/32860.html

How about putting some substance behind your empty claims, huh?

[toicontien]

Internet Explorer came to dominate the market for three reasons:

1) It was preinstalled with the OS (redundant info :) )

2) ISPs gave out IE upgrades like free candy. Remember when every new version of AOL prompted the user to upgrade IE? Even the ISP I used to work for had its own installation CD that could upgrade IE. Users didn't have to download IE. They just needed to call their ISP or switch... or wait for another blasted AOL CD to come to them in the mail.

3) Netscape Navigator sucks like an over-powered Hoover. I don't care if your'e a die-hard NS4.x user, your browser is the epitome of proprietary extensions and non-standards complaince (document.layers???, the <layer> tag?? Anyone remember this?).

If other browsers are to take more of the market, and maybe even make a buck, they need marketing deals with ISPs and computer manufacturers. That way other browsers could become preloaded with the OS and upgrades from ISPs would be a snap.

I suppose the bottom line is: Would you rather be designing down for Netscape 4 or Internet Explorer 6?

I'd rather design down for Internet Explorer 6.

[steelersfan88]

Current trend is that Internet Explorer 6 is growing fast. IE 5 and 6 counts for more than 80%. Again, I don't put these words into people's mouths, I copy them.

Vladdy, did you notice that Mozilla users write these things, hello? Would you belive a Microsoft worker writing about the same topic, I don't think so!

[Paul Jr]

Originally posted by steelersfan88
Current trend is that Internet Explorer 6 is growing fast. IE 5 and 6 counts for more than 80%. Again, I don't put these words into people's mouths, I copy them.
As stated before, this is because IE comes preinstalled with any of the multi-billion dollar monopoly company's OSs, and the general public doesn't even know about Mozilla.

[Vladdy]

Yeah, because any unbiased INTERNET user with IQ above 50 becomes Mozilla user after trying it :rolleyes:

[steelersfan88]

I am not biased, I will admit i have a mozilla link that runs on my desktop, its getting kind of dusty though.

please stop posting here vladdy, as it seems unnessary to continue as your goal is not to inform the user, but the fight as much as possible. I am trying to let the user know that while Mozilla is an option, they can stay with IE, and they won't regret it as everyone says, I don't.

[Vladdy]

Why don't you stop posting here. You are the one who is misinforming users on many subjects from incompliant scripting to support of rendering software (IE) that is a security risk to those who use it.
None of your posts bring any positive value to this forum.