ATTN:Need someone to create a page !! Will pay some Money !!

[vtec96]

I need someone to create an online gallery for me !!
You have to know HTML, JavaScript, and CSS, ASP, PhotoShop etc..to createa small web site.....
Perfer someone used homesite etc....
Willing to pay some money...(but not much..since the web site is not too hard ...)
PM me with your MSN account...
we can talk there....
thanks~

[PeOfEo]

bah, make it yourself. http://aspnet.4guysfromrolla.com/articles/081303-1.aspx

We can help you learn how to make what you want your self but this is not the place to post want ads for your site.

[vtec96]

:( sorry... I didn't know I cannot post an ad in here...
I promised my girl friend to do it....but I just don't have time....

[Paul Jr]

If you require Server Side Scripting, expect to pay a bit more than normal. And the software used to build the site will be the Developer's preference...

Peo, what's wrong with what he did? most people don't have a giant list of companies that build websites professionally, so where better to go than a Web Dev Forum to find someone to build you one? I mean, this is getting someone business, putting food on their table, buying them DW, ect., ect...

[pyro]

I don't see a problem with people posting that they are looking to spend a bit of money on a script. Had they wanted it in PHP, I'd be getting the details. :p Heck, better that than expecting someone to make it for them for free... ;)

[PeOfEo]

Originally posted by Paul Jr


Peo, what's wrong with what he did? most people don't have a giant list of companies that build websites professionally, so where better to go than a Web Dev Forum to find someone to build you one? I mean, this is getting someone business, putting food on their table, buying them DW, ect., ect... Because the point of these forums is to help people learn how to make websites, not so that we make them for them, money or not. I do not mind coughing up some source code and giving advice for free if the person I am helping is working with me. I have seen too many people just ask us to do all the work for them instead of learning how to do it themselves, and it really is not that hard to learn! :(. I posted a tutorial on how to make an image gallery with asp.net in my last post, why reinvent the wheel.

[Paul Jr]

Originally posted by PeOfEo
Because the point of these forums is to help people learn how to make websites, not so that we make them for them, money or not. I do not mind coughing up some source code and giving advice for free if the person I am helping is working with me. I have seen too many people just ask us to do all the work for them instead of learning how to do it themselves, and it really is not that hard to learn! :(
I see your point, but I don't agree with it. I would have a problem if he wanted it done for free, but he's willing to cough up some lettuce for this, so I don't see what the problem is... Asking like this here is easier, and probably better, than searching about the web, or getting some drag-and-drop FrontPager at the local highschool to do it...

[PeOfEo]

Asking us to help is better the asking us to do it, money or no money.

[buntine]

A little off topic and im not referring to the original thread starter.
But i can relate to the following statement. Its becoming a big problem. People post questions on advanced topics and then get angry when we tell them that we wont do all the work for them. They also expect to be able to master the language overnight...

I have seen too many people just ask us to do all the work for them instead of learning how to do it themselves


Regards,
Andrew Buntine.

[vtec96]

um.....:( sorry...back to topic....
anyone wants to earn some quick money ??
Need someone ASAP...thanks~

[buntine]

i will create a gallery for you using ASP, JavaScript, HTML, CSS... Though, i dont want to do the designing..
Obviously, i will spend time to make the HTML look fine, but i dont want to spend hours in photoshop.. Its not my forte.

[Aronya1]

Originally posted by Paul Jr
I see your point, but I don't agree with it. I would have a problem if he wanted it done for free, but he's willing to cough up some lettuce for this, so I don't see what the problem is... Asking like this here is easier, and probably better, than searching about the web, or getting some drag-and-drop FrontPager at the local highschool to do it...
Yeah! Burn the monster! :p

[Askalon]

I can see both sides, but he did state that he doesn't have time. This could be the same thing as asking any of use to study and take financial courses just so you can purchase some stock on the market. There are others who already do it, so why reinvent the wheel and have to do it all your self?

If the man is willing to pay, then i do not see a problem, especially if his forte is not in the field.

Anyway, he is slapping down greens and IF i knew what he wanted, I would be all over like stink on sh...errr you know.


my $.02

[PeOfEo]

Originally posted by Askalon
I can see both sides, but he did state that he doesn't have time. This could be the same thing as asking any of use to study and take financial courses just so you can purchase some stock on the market. There are others who already do it, so why reinvent the wheel and have to do it all your self?

If the man is willing to pay, then i do not see a problem, especially if his forte is not in the field.

Anyway, he is slapping down greens and IF i knew what he wanted, I would be all over like stink on sh...errr you know.


my $.02 The point of this forum is to learn though. There are already premade galleries on the internet he can use, I posted a link to a tutorial on how to make one already infact.

[Vladdy]

I do not see why forums.webdevelopers.com can not provide help in finding a web developer to do the job.

Back to OP.... if sum of "some" is acceptable, I can take the project on...

[PeOfEo]

but we would help the person for free if they want to get their feed wet a bit. If one of us coded it for money then the user is not going to know how it works if they want to expand apon it in the future. It would be cheaper for the user if we helped them and they would be better off because they would know what is going on, how it all works.

[Vladdy]

What if a person does not care to learn how to build a web site, but wants to have one done for their business (while they spend time on what THEY are good at)?
Case 1. a person has to spend 120 hours learning and building a web site. During this time his income is $0

Case 2. a person is doing HIS job for these 120 hours at say $50 an hour and earns $6000. During this time it takes me 40 hours to build the same or better site that I charge $2000 for.
During the same time his profit is $4000 and my profit is $2000.

[Aronya1]

I agree. I think it's a fair statement to say that anybody who spends any time here is hoping to earn money as a web developer at some level.

Also, if you want to get picky about the intent of the forums here, then you have to tell people to stop making comments about other people's posts. No more joking. No more personal opinions about why FrontPage sucks, etc.

This person is offering to help some member of this forum in a very real way. You can't very well jump all over someone who tries to advertise their services here, then do the same to someone who is trying to do the exact opposite.

My 2cts.

[PeOfEo]

there are tons of other places to go for commercial web site design though. Not saying that the people here ar enot good and cannot do it but why offer to pay us when we would help them for free. The original poster said it was a small job and they would not pay much, well if its a small job then it would not be much work on their part either. Like I posted before there are already premade solutions out there, nothing would have to be made from scratch.

Case 1. a person has to spend 120 hours learning and building a web site. During this time his income is $0

It would take no where near that long to go to many of the tutorial sites that have image gallery tutorials, get the code and read about how to install it.

[Paul Jr]

Peo, man, are you turning down green?!

This is getting repetitious.
Peo, you have to understand that this fellow doesn't want to learn HTML, CSS, and ASP! He wants it done, and he's willing to pay. Last time I checked, people here do accept payment in return for their services.
Lots of people here have Web Design businesses, too.

I don't see a thing wrong with this...

[thys_haupt]

Give a man a download, and he can satisfy his girlfriend for one day

Give a man HTML, and he can satisfy a forum for the rest of his life

[Vladdy]

Since that is a "family forum" I will not post any remarks about "satisfying his girlfriend" ..... :D :D :D :D

[PeOfEo]

Its not the point of these forums. My gosh! We would help the person do this for free, but if we took money to do it they would never be able to imporve it themselves. Its just not the point of these forums. Maybe another forum http://forums.devx.com/index.php?s= would be better because it has a job offer section but I do not like it when anyone asks for someone else to make a site for them here because we would help for free. I am not talking about this case in particular but numerous others. Its not like the person even has to learn anything to make this gallery, I already posted a link to a tutorial, and there are many others, with a full source code listing at the end.

[buntine]

Its not like the person even has to learn anything to make this gallery


I dont get it... He would have to learn alot, wouldnt he?

Even with the full source, he would still need to know what to do with it and how it works.

:cool:

Regards.

[pyro]

I agree. Not everyone wants to learn this stuff. That's our job. And as I've said, I see nothing wrong with coming on here looking to get work done. What better place to find a web developer than a web developer forums?

[PeOfEo]

Originally posted by buntine
I dont get it... He would have to learn alot, wouldnt he?

Even with the full source, he would still need to know what to do with it and how it works.

:cool:

Regards. but he would not need to learn the full synax of html css or asp to do it, he would just need to know some basics. We could easily tell him what to do with it then. We would not get paid to jack someone elses code and give it to him.

[buntine]

True, but the basics of HTML, CSS, ASP and JavaScript is quite a large learning curve for someone who isnt familiar with programming techniques and concepts.

Regards.

[PeOfEo]

Ok save this to a txt file, but change the format to .asp. Now go to your host and upload that file on their form. Now go to the address. Does it work? Good, it works. :D

[buntine]

lol. I think you may have posted in the wrong thread, buddy;)

[Vladdy]

Pe, in about 15 years you will realize that paying someone 10 bucks to clean your driveway is easier than doing it yourself.......

[PeOfEo]

Originally posted by Vladdy
Pe, in about 15 years you will realize that paying someone 10 bucks to clean your driveway is easier than doing it yourself....... Easier yes, giving someone a bill is easier then mowing your own lawn or washing your own car, but depending on your sallary that would be 30 - 60 mins of work for a 15 min job. :/. But fine, I give up! But I still think the point of this forum is for us to help others for free, not to do the work for them for money.

[Vladdy]

Originally posted by PeOfEo
<snip/> But I still think the point of this forum is for us to help others for free <snip />
Yes, when they ask for help, but when they ask "can you do that for me" why should I explain to them what they are not interested in knowing:confused: :confused:

[PeOfEo]

becasue if you explain it to them and waste their time a bit it saves them some cash lol.

[Vladdy]

We are going in circles now. Even at moderate income, wasting their time on explanation costs them more than just hiring someone to do the job for them. I explained it to you with a couple of examples a few posts ago.

[steelersfan88]

I read through this whole forum, and a plague to all those other than Peo. We call ourselves volunteers for a reason ... because we do it for learning ourself and spreading our knowledge, not for many $$$.

It seems that Peo is the only one person (or maybe one of a few) here that understand that we try to help teach others so they can do what they need by providing code samples, not complete sites for them.

I've been told plenty of times that they would include me in a script I donated and have declined that right ... i've told people not to offer money as I did not want it ... and I thought I spoke for everyone, obviously just some of us.

Wanted to give my opinion on how Ryan, Vladdy, and Paul are really seeming to make business from this thread, and how I despise this idea. Had I been willing to help out and spend the time, I would have done the project myself, for no money at all.

[PeOfEo]

I think they understand that it is volunteering.... I have never seen anyone here ask for a check at the end of a thread.
Vladdy: I have taken cources in economics, I understand opportunity cost, elasticity, deminishing marginal returns, short run and long run costs, all that stuff, but if all this person want's is a gallery it would not require them to learn a whole language to upload a premade script so why pay money to have it done for you.

[Aronya1]

If I went to a group of mechanics hanging out at the local "mechanics' bar" and offered to pay for one of them to do a tune-up on my car, and they insisted on teaching me to do it myself, I'd think they were crazy. If they offered to do it at a reduced rate, I'd love them. Peo, why don't you fix the original poster's car for free? Then this whole thread would go away.

[steelersfan88]

web development and car repair are different things ... remember, we are volunteers, this is not a job to expect money, as is an auto-mechanic.

(Let peo reply also, i just can't stand that you would attempt to fire back in the face of this argument when we are trying to rationalize everything)

[Aronya1]

There's an awful lot of time and energy wasted in these forums telling people how they are wrong in doing things the way they do them, or that the program they use is crap, so they should spend $400 to get something else, etc., when all somebody did is post a question about how to get the cells of a table to align properly or something. I'd love to see more of a focus on answering questions, instead of giving (negative) opinions.

My 2cts.

[steelersfan88]

but ... there's a lot MORE energy spent in these forums telling people how to correct the way the things they have and recommending a better way to do it, without any price! etc. I think we should become a little less concerned with people that need help less concerned with giving right answers, like we try to do now!

[Aronya1]

steelersfan88
Don't misunderstand me. I'm not attacking Peo. It's an honest question. It goes to the post I was writing when you posted. The original poster didn't break any rules here, but he's being jumped on.

There is absolutely no difference between what we do and what a mechanic does in this case. I make money creating websites for people. Just because I'm willing to try to help someone here (a fellow web developer, not a client) for free, doesn't mean I shouldn't accept money for my services if it is offered.

[Aronya1]

Originally posted by steelersfan88
but ... there's a lot MORE energy spent in these forums telling people how to correct the way the things they have and recommending a better way to do it, without any price! etc.
Agreed. My point was that those recommendations (read - opinions) are often unrequested and stated as fact.
I think we should become a little less concerned with people that need help less concerned with giving right answers, like we try to do now!

I don't understand this. You want to be less concerned about helping people?

[steelersfan88]

no ... i was completely arguing with your post ... you said that we should be more involved with helping others.

I went on to say that we are involved and to continue disagreeing to make it seem to you that what is going on here always go on as it showed you believe, i said we should be less concerned. <-- I don't actually feel this way, i think we are doing a fine job.

[pyro]

steelersfan88:

Had the original poster came on asking for help with a programmatic issue with his site/script, I can assure you that, if they were willing to learn, and weren't looking for free contract programming, both Vladdy and myself (not in this particular case, as I don't know ASP, but in general) would have been very happy to offer our help. While these forums are indeed comprised of volunteer work (ie. unless the person offers to pay us) it is not a place to come looking for free contract programming. If they need a complete script written, they should expect to pay for it.

It appears you fail to realize what both Vladdy and myself have been trying to say: Not everyone wants to learn programming. That's why we have jobs. We have spent a great deal of time learning the stuff we know. To use the mechanic example again, when my car has a problem, do I take it to a mechanic, only to hear him say "Don't pay anyone to do this, I'll teach you how to fix your car." No! Since I took the car to him for him to fix it, he assumes that I don't know how to fix it myself. If I could, why would you take it to him in the first place? Of course, I could learn how to fix it myself, but I would rather spend my time learning about/doing web development. Rather than spend time doing something I do not enjoy, I will pay someone who knows how to fix my car, while I make as much or more than he will be charging me doing what I do know.

[AdamBrill]

PeOfEo and steelersfan88:

If you don't want to make any money at programming and will take it to the extreme of not helping someone because they offered to pay, that is your problem, but then just stay out of the threads where they offer to pay. There is no reason to argue on about this.

What you to are doing here is not helping. If you don't want to do it for money, then do it for free. I'm sure the user won't mind. In the amount of time that you have already spent in this thread "arguing", you could have probably just made the script! Talk about a waste of time...

[PeOfEo]

Who said I woudlnt help. I am not going to do the whole thing for them but I would answer any questions. If they want a gallery like I hvae said 50,000 times already their are tons of premade scripts out there, you do not have to know much to get a premade working. Also, who said I did not want to make money? Just because I do not take offers from a forum where I will give scripting adivce for free does not mean I do not try to make money out of web design. I have been talking to local businesses and churches about webdesign lately and I am going to be makeing money from this.
edit: you would charge money when all a user has to do is upload a file?

[Aronya1]

Doh!

[steelersfan88]

Adam .... no reason to instigate anything further.
Pyro ... i understand, i just think posters should realize that there is no reason to pay, but it seems to me that you fail to understand the example yourself:

car to mechanic --> car fixed, money payed
script online ------> script made, no charge

this is what I've always been about, i think it is unnecessary to have to pay. I think that if you want to pay, this is not the place to ask, maybe a web developing company that does specifically what one needs, but not here, but I understand you point.

Adam, again, don't waste your time, peo and i never said we don't want money or anything of the sort, we are trying to say that offering money will not help the chance HERE (to a company [i.e. mechanic co.] it will, but not here).

Ryan, i sent a thread to someone, you got it last time, some editing must take place!

[The Cheat]

talk about a thread hijack

[PeOfEo]

yes, the hijaking occered a long time ago... 1st few posts... and when this is all over everyone will be dead.

[steelersfan88]

i'm still alive ... not a good sign for the future!

[Aronya1]

I'm sorry, but this confuses the heck out of me:

script online ------> script made, no charge

this is what I've always been about, i think it is unnecessary to have to pay.

Then, in the same breath:
peo and i never said we don't want money or anything of the sort
?

Does this mean you'll put together the e-commerce site I have to create in a couple of weeks free of charge?

[Aronya1]

Originally posted by PeOfEo
yes, the hijaking occered a long time ago... 1st few posts... and when this is all over everyone will be dead.
No one gets out alive!

[PeOfEo]

No, but if you get confused in the processes of making it and need us to show you some tricks we will do that. You are loosing sight of what the user originally wanted, it was not an ecommerce site which would use https which can get very complicated. A gallery is one of the more common scripts you can find anywhere, right up there with guestbook, blog, and hit counter I would say. I have friends who run phpbb and invision board and Ill tell you they do not know jack about web dev, but they are still running forums none the less.

[steelersfan88]

Originally posted by steelersfan88 and quoted by Aronya1
peo and i never said we don't want money or anything of the sortWhat do you think. We will help, that's why we are here. I'm not planning to right up any web pages because i don't feel like being criticized (as was dave clark) when others don't like his code.

If we were going to create your web page, read the quote. we never said we don't want the money (we want money, in otherwards). We are willing to accept money, but these fora(ums) serve as a volunteer standpoint for us here to help.

Notice the word script in my first charge, it doesn't say site. I've never charged for a script, and particularly, wouldn't mind doing a simple site for no charge either, its unnecessary to pay for simple things.

Now bigger sites are not simple, nor short so there isn't a doubt that I would want payment.

[steelersfan88]

Originally posted by Aronya1
No one gets out alive!The answer:Originally posted by steelersfan88
i'm still alive ...

[Aronya1]

Originally posted by steelersfan88
i'm still alive...
Yeah, but you're not out...

[Aronya1]

Originally posted by steelersfan88
i don't feel like being criticized (as was dave clark) when others don't like his code.
Exactly what I was talking about earlier.

If we were going to create your web page, read the quote. we never said we don't want the money
Let's agree to disagree here. I think you did say you don't want the money, but either way is OK with me.

its unnecessary to pay for simple things.
Does that mean that someone shouldn't pay for something simple? I pay to have my car's oil changed, and that's pretty simple. But simple is a relative term. Putting that gallery together isn't simple for a newbie.

Now bigger sites are not simple, nor short so there isn't a doubt that I would want payment.
Finally! The spark of capitalism flickers.

[Aronya1]

Peo

First of all, have no fear. When (not if) I need help with that site, I'll be here with my hand out, looking for alms. I didn't lose sight of what the poster wanted. He wanted to pay for web development.

Don't take this statement the wrong way, please. If somebody wants to pay me (or anyone else) for my services, however simple the project, it's no one else's business. This is where this whole argument started, I think.

Here's a basic idea.
1.) That this forum is for helping others with their web development needs.
2.) I need to learn a world of things about web development.
3.) To learn what I need will take time & money, neither of which I can spare much of.
4.) The best way someone could help me with my web development needs is to write me a big fat check, so I can quit my 9-to-5 & go to school full time. In return, I'm willing to do website work for them.
5.) Please! Somebody help me!

[steelersfan88]

Originally posted by Aronya1
Finally! The spark of capitalism flickers.of course, i'm an american, its a nationality trait!Originally posted by Aronya1
But simple is a relative term.In this case, it is relative to web design.

[PeOfEo]

Taking someones money to tell them how to upload a phpbb of sorts. I believe there is another thread on cowboyism (edit: depending on how much they pay you)

[Aronya1]

Taking someone's money who doesn't want to know how to upload...

People pay for service and convenience. They pay big money to go to a spa and sit in a tub full of mud. They could do it in their backyard, but they don't want to. They don't want to deal with the details. In fact, the more money many people make, the less they want to deal with the details, and the more they are willing to pay to have someone else do it for them. It doesn't matter how basic it is.

I know people who just don't want to know how to use email properly. If they need to send a message to somebody, they find a message they have already received from that person, then hit Reply. If they couldn't do that, they'd have an assistant write the message. Should that assistant do it for free? I don't think so.

If your car was dirty, would you pay someone $50 to wash it? No? What if it was a Ferrari? Would it be any cleaner than if you did it yourself? Probably not by much. But I see people in the building where I work dropping their cars off for a $50 wash every week, even if the car isn't dirty. Why? Because they can afford it, and it's convenient. The detailers are right outside the building. Could they do it themselves? Of course! But it's worth the cost to them to have someone else do it. Do you begrudge the detailer his money? Is he doing any better a job than the guys at the $12 car wash? I doubt it, but the value is in the eye of the guy with the cash.

Sometimes it's just worth it to pay somebody else to do it for you. I don't understand why that's not good enough for you guys.

[Paul Jr]

Originally posted by Aronya1
Taking someone's money who doesn't want to know how to upload...

People pay for service and convenience. They pay big money to go to a spa and sit in a tub full of mud. They could do it in their backyard, but they don't want to. They don't want to deal with the details. In fact, the more money many people make, the less they want to deal with the details, and the more they are willing to pay to have someone else do it for them. It doesn't matter how basic it is.

I know people who just don't want to know how to use email properly. If they need to send a message to somebody, they find a message they have already received from that person, then hit Reply. If they couldn't do that, they'd have an assistant write the message. Should that assistant do it for free? I don't think so.

If your car was dirty, would you pay someone $50 to wash it? No? What if it was a Ferrari? Would it be any cleaner than if you did it yourself? Probably not by much. But I see people in the building where I work dropping their cars off for a $50 wash every week, even if the car isn't dirty. Why? Because they can afford it, and it's convenient. The detailers are right outside the building. Could they do it themselves? Of course! But it's worth the cost to them to have someone else do it. Do you begrudge the detailer his money? Is he doing any better a job than the guys at the $12 car wash? I doubt it, but the value is in the eye of the guy with the cash.

Sometimes it's just worth it to pay somebody else to do it for you. I don't understand why that's not good enough for you guys.
Thank You!

[Aronya1]

My pleasure, sir. Sort of.

[steelersfan88]

No one is going to hire a secretary to send emails for them, people can find the create new button.

no-one will pay $50 USD for a car wash, unless if they are desperate, not if they can afford it

no one should pay to upload something for them, knowing how to or not (click upload button, select file, click submit, or example)

When its not necessary, its NOT good enough to pay something, its only good enough to pay nothing becayse that's what a simple task (in web dev) costs (in time and money and patience)

[Aronya1]

People pay $50 for a car wash every day. You are flat wrong on that count. There are BMWs, Mercedes Benzes, Vipers, Ferraris, Lexuses, etc. parked in line daily outside the office where I work.

The secretaries aren't hired to send emails, but they do it. Every day. Just like they get coffee for the boss. Every day.

no one should pay to upload something for them, knowing how to or not
"Should" is the key word, but reality has nothing to do with "should." 2,000+ (3,000+?) people "should" be alive today, but some idiots flew a couple of planes into the World Trade Center buildings. Gasoline "should" be 50 cents/gal, but it's averageing $2.25 in San Diego today.

When its not necessary, its NOT good enough to pay something
What makes you (or me) the arbiter of what's necessary, or simple, or easy? Those are all relative terms, and they will have different meanings for all of us.

[steelersfan88]

OK, i agree that more people would be alive, but they definately weren't idiots, they were nationalists. Gas is expensive because it is limited, but the amount to learn with programming/scripting languages is infinitum. You have to compare it to something that is also infinite, and that's why water doesn't cost money in fountains ... because it is a renewable resource!

Now the people who pay this much money for a car wash --- they are idiots!

an average person will not hire nor pay a secretary (or quote, assistant) just to send emails, they will learn how to click a button and type in a message, that isn't hard! You can't compare this to a simple task like uploading a file, since a secretary has more than one job.

Relative terms, relatively along the same lines. Something as simple as uploading would cross all of those lines.

Before you come up with bad examples, why not think them through?

[Aronya1]

They were NOT nationalists. They were religious fanatics, fighting a holy war.

Gas is expensive because of politics. I didn't compare gas prices with learning programming.

I believe this planet has more crude oil than potable water. Both are finite resources. I assume your phrase "water doesn't cost money in fountains" means that it's cheap. I've never heard that phrase. However, water costs more than gas.

People who pay that much for a car wash... For them, it's worth the convenience. There are people in this world who would say that you're an idiot if you pay anything for a car wash. It's all relative.

"they will learn how to click a button and type in a message, that isn't hard! You can't compare this to a simple task like uploading a file" Why not? They're both simple to do, easy to learn, and just one function of a larger overall job scope. But, again. I wasn't comparing the two. Only illustrating that for some people, it's worth it to pay someone else to do it for them. They don't want to learn how to do it.

Your relative terms, relative lines thing doesn't make sense.

Your last line is starting to sound like a personal shot.

[Paul Jr]

Originally posted by steelersfan88
You have to compare it to something that is also infinite, and that's why water doesn't cost money in fountains ... because it is a renewable resource!
Oh, really? What do you think your tax money is going to? (Or your parent's tax money). You can't get anything for free. Everything costs something.


Originally posted by steelersfan88
Now the people who pay this much money for a car wash --- they are idiots!
You think paying 50 bucks to wash your Ferrari is idiotic...?

Look, the guy doesn't wanna learn how to do this. He wants it done, and he's willing to pay. If you think he shouldn't pay so much money for such-and-such a thing, well, it's your job to advise him of that. But the bottom line is that he doesn't want to learn, and he's willing to pay, and there isn't a thing wrong with that.

[Aronya1]

Originally posted by Paul Jr

Look, the guy doesn't wanna learn how to do this. He wants it done, and he's willing to pay. If you think he shouldn't pay so much money for such-and-such a thing, well, it's your job to advise him of that. But the bottom line is that he doesn't want to learn, and he's willing to pay, and there isn't a thing wrong with that.

High five! Next game. I'm tired of this one.

[steelersfan88]

peo and i will settle for a forfeit, we aren't out.

Yes, i think it is idiotic. tax money actually belongs to the gov't, not me or my parents. the government uses it to provide for public works.

we've never said that he shouldn't be paying, we are simply stating that what he seems to be asking for is not worth paying for as there is nothing (too difficult, that is) to learn.

And while too difficult might be relative, we can be sure clicking the upload button is not at all too hard for any user.

(NOTE: he in this post replies to the thread starter, sorry to be genderist)

EDIT: They were too nationalists - one who promotes the interests or culture of a way of life, seems to be exactly what they wree doing, even though religious based.

[steelersfan88]

Not deserved of a member's name
Gas is expensive because of politics. I didn't compare gas prices with learning programming.

I believe this planet has more crude oil than potable water. Both are finite resources. I assume your phrase "water doesn't cost money in fountains" means that it's cheap. I've never heard that phrase. However, water costs more than gas. Gas is expensive because it is located in Iraq and Kuwait (Near East), not because of politics.

Water is definately not more expensive than gasoline ... maybe spring water, but that's different. Dring droughts, it can become more expensive, but people pay more for gas.

Water is infinite, as of now (it will run down, in maybe, i don't know, a million years?). We will never run out since it can be created, as says its molecular formula. Water is a renewable resource because it is constantly replenished
through the process of the hydrological cycle

[Daniel T]

Ya know, all the time it's taken for everyone to argue about wether or not to help this guy could have been much better spent either building him a website, or helping him with one. Or better yet, how about both? Arguing over wether or not to help this guy isn't the point of these forums(at least, I sure hope not). I would bet this guy already went looking elsewhere for help because a simple request of his turned into a big controversy over which way to help him. Instead of contributing to the debate club over here, could someone actually help this guy out? I don't mean to be a 817ch, but i just feel this isn't really going anywhere close to the direction of solving anything, or helping anyone.
-Dan

[Aronya1]

Originally posted by Aronya1
There's an awful lot of time and energy wasted in these forums telling people how they are wrong in doing things the way they do them, or that the program they use is crap, so they should spend $400 to get something else, etc., when all somebody did is post a question about how to get the cells of a table to align properly or something. I'd love to see more of a focus on answering questions, instead of giving (negative) opinions.

My 2cts.
Thank you, DanieLTomaS.

I find it interesting, also, that one of the guys arguing the loudest has stated that he is unwilling to spend the time to help the poster out.

[Aronya1]

So how come there's been no comment about this:
http://forums.webdeveloper.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30631

Not that I care, really. But given the tone of this thread...

[Aronya1]

16 minutes. Not bad, Dan. ;)

[buntine]

Yer, i think everyone scared him off... He never replied to my PM when i offered to do it for him.:rolleyes:

My only comment is; i would do all sorts of crazy things for money! Im the classic over-charger. You want a small program written? Ok, no worries, that will be $2,000.

People will pay LOTS of money for this type of thing. Why on earth wouldnt we reep the benifits?

Regards,
Andrew Buntine.

[Daniel T]

Originally posted by buntine
My only comment is; i would do all sorts of crazy things for money! Im the classic over-charger. You want a small program written? Ok, no worries, that will be $2,000.

People will pay LOTS of money for this type of thing. Why on earth wouldnt we reep the benifits?

Regards,
Andrew Buntine.

Amen;)

[Aronya1]

Originally posted by buntine
Yer, i think everyone scared him off... He never replied to my PM when i offered to do it for him.:rolleyes:

My only comment is; i would do all sorts of crazy things for money! Im the classic over-charger. You want a small program written? Ok, no worries, that will be $2,000.

People will pay LOTS of money for this type of thing. Why on earth wouldnt we reep the benifits?

Regards,
Andrew Buntine.
Shhhh!! You'll wake up the kid...

[Paul Jr]

Well, the reason no one has helped him, I believe, is because the only people who are able (i.e., can code in ASP/.NET) have refused to do it for him. The other people, such as me, are very opinionated and don't like to see the guy shot down for wanting to pay to get his page done. :p

[Daniel T]

Personally, I would have jumped on this oppourtunity, had it not involved ASP, and had I a little more spare time on my hands.
-Dan

[buntine]

believe, is because the only people who are able (i.e., can code in ASP/.NET) have refused to do it for him


I offered to do it... I think he has added me to his MSN list.

[Paul Jr]

Originally posted by buntine
I offered to do it... I think he has added me to his MSN list.
Aha! So you can code in ASP/.Net!

[buntine]

Sure can.. Have been doing so for years.. Infact, i worked as a professional ASP developer for the latter part of last year.

[Daniel T]

Originally posted by buntine
Sure can.. Have been doing so for years.. Infact, i worked as a professional ASP developer for the latter part of last year.
Gee, I've been to Buntine's site a couple of times. I can't believe i din't know he knew ASP! I mean, it's right there in plain words on the front page!
-Dan

PS: Andrew, your site hits it home hardcore! I mean, your site is very nice.:D

[Paul Jr]

Originally posted by DanieLTomaS

PS: Andrew, your site hits it home hardcore! I mean, your site is very nice.:D
True dat, G. But...why tables?!?!?!

[buntine]

lol.

When i created it, there was not a 'your an idiot' lable associated with people who designed using tables.

I really should update the layout and redo the source in a more CSS-rich style. Though, at the moment im too distracted with other projects.

Thanks for the positive comments, though. :)

Regards.

[steelersfan88]

understood, we could be more polite with out word usage, couldn't we?

[buntine]

Hence the reason i 'beeped' it out. Though, i see your point and have changed it.

[steelersfan88]

I noticed that, not sure if you saw one thread where someone forgot that. Fred, of course, got on top of things quickly. And I knew you wouldn't be a person that actually meant anything by it.

[vtec96]

anyone ??:(

[Vladdy]

Sorry your thread got hijacked.

E-Mail me with your exact requirements and I give you a quote.

[Robert Wellock]

No matter how rich you become, how famous or powerful, when you die the size of your funeral will still pretty much depend on the weather.

I cannot believe it has dragged out so long; it was a straightforward question.

[Daniel T]

Originally posted by buntine
I offered to do it... I think he has added me to his MSN list.
vtec96, have you talked to Andrew(buntine) at all? Sounds by that post that he may be interested...
-Dan

[vtec96]

bump........anyone please ??:(

[PeOfEo]

Read the thread, buntine offered a while back.
http://quasi-ke.servebeer.com/threadwontdie.jpg

[pyro]

Both Vladdy (http://forums.webdeveloper.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=19) and buntine (http://forums.webdeveloper.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=15381) have offered to help.

[rhsunderground]

i find it interesting that many of you are referring to how much time things might take (making his site, learning HTML, conquering France), and yet this thread was started 12 days ago and countless hours have been wasted over it. rather ironic, i feel. both sides have stated their case numerous times, with the source of the debate (vtec96) still waiting, as far as i can tell. where is a lawyer when you need them?

[pyro]

Originally posted by rhsunderground
(vtec96) still waiting, as far as i can tell.By his own choice. See my post above - two members have offered to help him.

[PeOfEo]

infact buntine offered on the first page. Vtec is either inobservant, did not bother to look, or did not want help from buntine.

[PeOfEo]

Originally posted by buntine
i will create a gallery for you using ASP, JavaScript, HTML, CSS... Though, i dont want to do the designing..
Obviously, i will spend time to make the HTML look fine, but i dont want to spend hours in photoshop.. Its not my forte. Page 1

[The Cheat]

where is a lawyer when you need them?
It has been proven that if all the lawyers in the world were stretched around the equator...
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We would all be better off
:p

[buntine]

He did send me an initial email. I had a look at it and realised how much work was involved. Quite alot. If i was to do it, i would charge alot of money -- i dont think he is willing to pay enough..

Also, i have been busy with work and college work lately and just havent had time..

Furthurmore, it seems it may be an assignment for college or something that he is trying to get us to do for him (or his g/f as he said earlier).. He seemed to have ignored vladdys request.

Finally, he wants to pay me over paypal. I dont do paypal. :cool:

Regards,
Andrew Buntine.

[Vladdy]

He did not. When I looked at the requirements he sent me, it was pretty clear that the job is some kind of school course work (words like "imaginary company" are a good give away), so I obviously refused to do it.

[Robert Wellock]

<fudge>I am the Wizard of Frobozz.</fudge>

:D

Paying to get homework done, isn't that called cheating...

[vtec96]

Sorry guys....I think I did say it's my girl friend's project !! because her grand father is sick right now..she couldn't go to school ...I don't wanna see her fail the course !! that's why I am here !.....I know some people will think it's kind of cheating...but I am just trying to help her....
Everyone have done some kind of cheating back in school .....
Thanks for everyone's priceless time....maybe I just go find a company to do it.,.....( I am not trying to get a FREE job in here !!...)

Thanks again !!!

[PeOfEo]

That is paying to have someone else work done for them, instead of someone having to pay for their work to be done for them or someone doing their work for them, it is a combination of the two, lol. Back to what I said pages and pages ago, we can help you learn this, or help her learn this if she wants to do her own work... tell her to post here and we will dig up articles, but even if the other guys here would be willing to do work for you for money, they are definatly not going to do homework. Another reason why I would not do this for you even for pay is because I do not use Asp classic, but Asp.net rather.

[steelersfan88]

Peo, we all know you use ASP.Net by now :)

[PeOfEo]

I like to brag.

[rhsunderground]

the rest of us have hardly noticed.....


<insert random quotes with references to ASP.net here>

<insert random referrence to plankton here>

[Robert Wellock]

ASP is a type of snake

Plankton is not made from wood

Was that part of your homework?

[rhsunderground]

i wish. my IT teacher wants me to put our school store online and i've only had about 3 weeks of actual js training, and no ASP, PHP, a week of CGI, and a little LSD.
lol:p

[PeOfEo]

LSD is a very very powerful technology, can't say that I use it though.