Dan Omega and Me, Con'd

[steelersfan88]

Subject give the point?

[Ben Rogers]

Yep. Eh, Dan's not too bad. He's a Simpsons fan- that's something :D

[steelersfan88]

I never really watched the Simpsons, that's because I only watch Fox for the MLB playoffs, go Braves, beat Philly. Do any of you like baseball?

[Ben Rogers]

Yeah, I'm not a baseball fanatic, just a fan :D

As for the Braves- they can beat Philly... as long as the Red Sox still win.. Which they will this year.

[steelersfan88]

I root for the Red Sox, I've quick;y become an anti-Yankee fan :) I was rooting for them last year. I rooted for the Marlins last year also, since they are in the NL East (my fav division except for Philly) against the Cubs, but now that the Cubs have Maddux, I really don't care, but long live Greg [Maddux]!

If you couldn't tell, I am also a Pittsburgh fan, hence the steelers :)

[Ben Rogers]

No, I couldn't tell you were a Steelers fan, how would I be able to :confused:

Just playing... obviously, nones that stupid -_-

[steelersfan88]

well, most people :) well, I wasn't sure if you were secretly an alien and leet was your hometown language and by coincidence it is like english, and you didn't know who the steelers were :)

[Ben Rogers]

LOL... I don't know whether to say you
... have a vivid imagination.
... have serious problems
... like to pull excuses out of your 455

[steelersfan88]

well I had to make sure I kept the post going, and the best way to do that is cause you to say something (loo, my job is over). Pit (the team), since he is from Germany, might not have known this, which is actually the real reason I did this.

Nothing will ever separate Pit or me, now I have to go check if Pit is still online :)

[Ben Rogers]

Uhm.. who's Pit lol?

[Daniel T]

Ok, I'm here now. I hope you guys didn't miss me too much. I know it's aweful difficult to get by when I'm not around. Don't worry, I won't leave again. Wouldn't wanna get you guys too disappointed.
-Dan

[Sam]

i do believe he was referring to Pittimann (http://forums.webdeveloper.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&find=lastposter&threadid=32339)

[Daniel T]

LOL, that's what I had just posted, but i deleted it because I reread the thread and got the impression he was refering to Pitsburgh, as he IS a Steelers fan, and he WAS talking about the Steelers. Now that I reread it again though, it appears he ws referring to Pittimann:p
-Dan

[Sam]

Originally posted by steelersfan88

Nothing will ever separate Pit or me, now I have to go check if Pit is still online :)
ummm? he was gonna go check to see if Pitsburgh was still online?

[Ben Rogers]

Yep!

But now.. why did he bring up Pit? LOL

[steelersfan88]

no to you Dan, j/k
and yes omega
and no sami, Pit refers to Pittimann, a great friend whom I chat with a lot, can't let you in on the details without his permission :)

Kelly

[steelersfan88]

ok, so do we now know I was checking about Pittimann, not about Pittsburgh, just in case some of us are not joking ? :)

[Daniel T]

Originally posted by steelersfan88
Pit (the team)
That's what confused me.

[Ben Rogers]

You mean you weren't going to check if pittsburgh was online?!?

[steelersfan88]

sorry about that, I meant it to be as Pit and I are a team, since we work together and communicate very well, unlike me with some other forum members. and no, I wasn't going to check if it Pittsburgh was online :D

[Daniel T]

Originally posted by omega
You mean you weren't going to check if pittsburgh was online?!?
No, I have this thing with not reading entire posts, just noticing punctuation that stands out from the rest(such as, in this case, parentheses, which are slightly taller than other letters). When I return to the forums, and see that there have been hundreds of posts in a few minutes, i don't take the time to read each one carefully, examining every word. I scan over the last couple and try my best to catch up!
-Dan

[steelersfan88]

Before you guys cry your hearts out, I will be back in about 17 hours, so I'll talk to you later

[Daniel T]

OK, I've just flagged my own stupidity for all to see. Check out my siggy! :p
-Dan

[Jick]

That's a good one Dan... LMAO! :p

[steelersfan88]

nice Dan, very funny :) so I lied, but 16/17 hours to go :( until I am back, see you then.

Please note that pit and i have had discussions like this before, intelligent discussions of course (Pit referring to a friend, not a city :))

[Daniel T]

Originally posted by steelersfan88
Please note that pit and i have had discussions like this before, intelligent discussions of course (Pit referring to a friend, not a city :))
Actually, Pittsburgh and myself have also had some discussions like this before. Yeah, I like hangin out with Pittsburgh, he's a good guy.
-Dan

[steelersfan88]

are you sure of Pittsburgh's gender. I hope you are not offending Pittsburgh's calling he/she a he. What is he is a she. And then you are calling a she a he but he's really a she not a he. wow, i love this forum :)

[Daniel T]

Originally posted by steelersfan88
are you sure of Pittsburgh's gender. I hope you are not offending Pittsburgh's calling he/she a he. What is he is a she. And then you are calling a she a he but he's really a she not a he. wow, i love this forum :)
OK, I'm confused. Where did I ever refer to Pittsburgh as a she?

[Jick]

I believe Steelersfan was refering to this:Originally posted by DanieLTomaS
Yeah, I like hangin out with Pittsburgh, he's a good guy.You said he and I guess it's a she but I don't know bout that. :p

[steelersfan88]

mjdimick, I like the last line in your profile; it looks like we are showing that this can actually be done :) Yes, you got the part correct. You referred to Pittsburgh as a he, however, what if Pittsburgh is a she? Did you ever once bother to find out, umm, its, gender ? :D

[Jick]

Yeah I added that cause I'm pretty much fed up with every body aguing over who's browser is better. Personally I like to browse with IE and I just make sure my site is compadible with FF. I think that they both have their ups and downs and they are both equally good. :)

[steelersfan88]

If only people could realize that if they stopped fighting, they could be good friends like you, omea, and me, oh yea, Dan :D. And of course, we could laugha dn joke around knowing that someone will not come it and argue with us :) I like it, but I don't want my signature to be longer than it is now.

And for a note on mine before anyone takes it the wrong way. This is specified to people that everyone deserves to feel and be treated like a human being, not like an animal. And that the administration (I will let scott off the hook for being so kind and doing this for us, except he allowed Dan, just messin) to back up there original claims that they would not allow the putting down of the forum members, must stand up to this. If you insist on more quotes, Dave and I are friends and I could get some others from emails that I have with him :)

[Daniel T]

BTW, what is the story behind Dave Clark? All I know is from what I read in a thread on the forums here. It said that he was a mod here, then suddenly left and deleted all of his posts. What are the details?
-Dan

[steelersfan88]

The administration will say a different story, but this is what Dave says happened. Please do not edit this, as Dave reserves the right of speech:I have to find it first :DYou can talk to the administration about this, although little will be done about it at all. He claims that he would return if his real position (super mod) be returned, although the admin has declined this negotiation about 2 weeks ago

[steelersfan88]

Dave deserves his own spot, so here we go:Emailed by Dave Clark
There was no administration member that actually got fed up with me. It was a few of the other moderators that ganged up against me and started making unfounded accusations and uninformed criticisms against me in the public forums. There is a private forum (for moderators only) where such things could have been said -- if they were of a mind to be true moderators. In other words, moderators that have the interests of the forums at heart and not just there own self interests. Those moderators should have had their privileges revoked -- regardless of whether or not there was any accuracy to what they said against me (which there wasn't).

You see, all of the problems stemmed from the fact that I tried to enforced the stated policy of the forums. Which was, that open criticism and/or belittling of members was not to be tolerated. Further, the policy states that such continued abuse was grounds for being banned from the forums. Initially, I tried explaining to those who were prone to do this just how it was that they were being unreasonable in their views and inconsiderate of their fellow members. Well, as you know, that did as much good as just holding my breath in the first place. Hence, I began editing such posts, if the criticism was small enough, in order to tone them down. If it was too big, I would just delete the entire post -- or even the entire thread.

Anyway... At that time, a second private forum was set up and all moderators (which included me, at the time) were instructed to copy/move objectionable threads/posts to that forum for inspection of and discussion by the administration and the moderators. In other words, most of the accusations and criticisms against me were over the nature of and my reasons for deleting such threads/posts. (Their accusation was that I was abusing my powers by removing posts whose views "merely" disagreed with my own views when, in fact, it was HOW they chose to express such disagreement that caused me to delete such posts. Unfortunately, they just could not see the distinction.) A few posts were moved into that new forum, at that time, but it was empty again by the time I began removing myself as moderator.

You see, the administration finally cleared them out (apparently) in an attempt to brush the whole problem under the carpet. In other words, there was still quite a ruckus going on behind the scenes (i.e., out of the public eye) over what those few moderators had so blatantly done and over what I had supposedly done. It was at that point (the clearing of that new forum) that I had finally had enough. I decided the only thing left for me to do was to just keep my head down out of the line of fire.

Using my super-moderator powers, I proceeded to mass-delete all of my posts from all forums except the ASP forum. This amounted to approximately 4,700 posts. This was for the purpose of leaving nothing behind that could be open to criticism. I then stayed out of all other forums (even to the point of not reading anything in them) and continued posting answers in the ASP forum. Which forum was the only place that such criticisms were not being leveled against other members' posts.

About two weeks later, Pete (one of the administration who also performs some moderator duties -- Compguy Pete) discovered that so many of my posts were gone by re-indexing my statistics and found that -- though my profile had stated that I had about 5,000 posts -- there were only about 300 of them left. He was not happy about loosing so many valuable posts and took it upon himself, without speaking to me, to downgrade my privileges from super-moderator to moderator (evidently thinking that he could prevent me from deleting more posts by removing my ability to use the mass-delete mechanism). However, when I discovered what he had done, that was the final straw.

I then proceeded to manually and tediously delete all of my remaining posts -- one-by-one. You see, ultimately, my posts are just that -- mine. The forum software allows even the normal forum members to delete their own posts and that is just what privilege I exercised. After deleting all of my posts, I then left the forums for good and will not ever go back. Ever.

Well, actually, I take that back. The only way I would come back, is if Pete, himself, apologizes and asks me to come back as a super-moderator and those moderators who caused all of the problems are completely removed from moderator status -- and, possibly, even banned completely from the forums.another quote from him:Emailed by Dave Clark
I left the forums because I have a huge problem with people who treat other people (not just myself) with much less respect than they deserve (simply for being a human being). The forum administration gave lip-service to the effect that they, also, would not put up with such treatment of one member to another. However, when push came to shove, the forum administration would not add unequivocal support to back up their lip service. When I had all I could stand, I left.

I read all of the posts in that thread and, based on a few of them, I'm glad I'm not there. I was not asked to leave -- I left on my own. I was not even reprimanded by the administration for any of my actions. None of my super-moderator powers were taken from me until one member of the administration got upset because I used my super-moderator powers to mass-delete about 5,000 of my posts (i.e., from all forums except the ASP forum). At that point, he reduced my powers to just an ordinary moderator. I resented that (since I had done nothing to deserve such treatment -- even ordinary members have the power to delete their own posts), so I proceeded to manually delete all of my remaining posts one-by-one. That is when I left.

I harbor no ill feelings toward the forums or the administrators. I wish that everyone there will find the assistance they need. But, I will not return. I just can't sit idly by and watch one member castigating another member without provocation. Yes, I used to castigate certain members up one side and down the other (and not just on my own behalf) -- but that was always after provocation. I'm sure that such treatment of others continues. At least, without me there, it is a little quieter (I hope). ;-)

[steelersfan88]

Again, please bear with this admin and mods. The entire point of this is so we can realize where history has gone wrong and how we can learn from it. I've talked to Pit before, and she has no trouble with me sharing the problems of Adolf Hitler (forget the fact his -ler last name makes him Austrian). We learned from this. Lets learn here. mjdimick and I are friends, and use different browsers. Thats a start, the rest of us here are friends, and we have a different things in our lives.

I would love it to just end the era of arguing, would you too?

[Jick]

Yes I think we should end it as soon as possible and never look back. Thank you for posting those quotes from Dave. I always liked your sig and now we can know the rest of the story. I would consider Dave my friend even though I only talked to him a couple times and he left shortly after I joined. I think that Dave was treated un-fairly and we should strive to make things better. However I believe the administration and the whole site for that matter will need to take some great steps in preventing this sort of abuse. Dave was a great webmaster and from the little while I knew him I learnt that he was a great guy and it's a major shame that such acts were commited aginst him. I believe that every member of the staff should be put under review and any future staff members should have to agree to a very specific list of rules and the moment they break them it would result in removal of status because WebDev should be represented by profesionals who want to help people and not they should not consist of a bunch of people just eager to use their mod powers to rule. Just my point of view I guess.

[steelersfan88]

Well I agree completely (see, friends) with that. I am also glad you didn't take my quote as a beg/cry for respect, as I've earned all the respect from these great people here that I want. I have been told that people think this quote is because I want to be respected, and I find it funny how far off it can be, and find it amusing how you hit it right on the nose and no one else cam even close :) well i guess you'll be the one that will test positive for OK for fairness :)

[Jick]

Well I just hope that this post (if viewed by admins or mods) will start them thinking about re-considering how this whole forum operates. See, most people are out to get elected for moderator just so they can have the powers and feel in control. I believe that the administration has to toatally re-think their entire mod electing system. Right now it seems they just elect them for being good at what they do but I believe that there should be much more involved in the whole process. I think they should even go to the extreme of hiring moderators for money because that would give them an insentive to do their job right because if they don't they would have a pay cut. :p

[steelersfan88]

well maybe not as far as money, but i get the point. just as a comparison:

real mods: know a lot, unfair
us: know nothing (j/k), but fair :)

[Jick]

Yeah maybe I went a bit far with the money thing but if all else fails... :p

[steelersfan88]

well, as long as we get some mods that don't blow it, <will not put the word again here>

[Ben Rogers]

Wow.. I'm totally lost...

[steelersfan88]

did you read the quotes from Dave? we are saying that we would recommend new moderation that actually worked for the support of its posters, and became the position of moderator because of their duty to keep peace, in addition to their knowledge.

[steelersfan88]

I am now officially leaving, stop trying to bring me back with your telecommunicational powers omega, I'm leaving! Back in about 17 hours, it was 19 earlier, whoops

[steelersfan88]

Peo, who was the moderator before you were, obviously you or he did a good job in keeping quiet if Dave felt safe in that forum :) Maybe I should only post there, although like Dave, do not give free answers out on high level langauges. I too, after reading this again, think that the entire admin and mod must come to an agreement on what is allowed, and that should include a comprimise with all the members. I feel that Dave is absolutely right in what he says, and that the admin must take actions immediately before other great members are pushed into leaving.

I will tell you this right now, I get along very well with most people here, including those with "power" and "control" but there are a few moderators that do not deserve the position they have for their actions toward other people.

Please take everything into consideration, and how about we learn from history, or we will be doomed to repeat it (and with the help of some moderators now, we are far on our way)

[Daniel T]

Originally posted by steelersfan88
real mods: know a lot, unfair
I wouldn't go THAT far. Several moderators on these boards are very good, and FAIR, too.

[chestertb]

Getting back to things lighter... (woo... haven't the last few posts been heavy!)...

Isn't cross border language a wonderful thing.

steelersfan88 wrote
[I root for the Red Sox, I've quickly become an anti-Yankee fan I was rooting for them last year. I rooted for the Marlins last year also...]

Here Downunder, "rooting" has an entirely different meaning!

I think it was Mark Twain who wrote, of the Americans and the English, "Two peoples separated by a common language."

CTB

[Go Yankees]

[steelersfan88]

Go Braves :)

I wuz just kidding about that Dan, I assume you know that :D

[rhsunderground]

go team. score a basket, goal, touch...unit. beat the....opponents.....soundly. hooray for our.........players..who will..........defeat.....................................yours.............

go avalanche.

[Daniel T]

Originally posted by steelersfan88
Go Braves :)

I wuz just kidding about that Dan, I assume you know that :D
Well, I guess I know now!:p
-Dan

[steelersfan88]

You haven't noticed my joke sense of things through the last 80 posts in this and the previous thread?

[Daniel T]

Originally posted by steelersfan88
You haven't noticed my joke sense of things through the last 80 posts in this and the previous thread?
Yes, did notice your 'joke sense', but I wasn't so sure you were jokingwhen you said "real mods: know a lot, unfair". It's cleared up now though.
-Dan

[steelersfan88]

well I will tell you that it can be hard to understand as it is hard to tell thru typing how a person is acting, whether seiously or in a joking matter

[Daniel T]

Originally posted by steelersfan88
well I will tell you that it can be hard to understand as it is hard to tell thru typing how a person is acting, whether seiously or in a joking matter
OK, in that case, I'd like to add some new terminology to webber slang. The sarcasm tag. It should look something like this:
<sarcasm>sarcasm here</sarcasm>
Hopefully, this will make it easier for people like me in this situation to understand what is a joke and what isn't;)
-Dan

[steelersfan88]

<sarcasm>i'll do my best to remember</sarcasm> :D

[Daniel T]

Originally posted by steelersfan88
<sarcasm>i'll do my best to remember</sarcasm> :D
<sarcasm> LOL! You are so funny! </sarcasm> :p

[steelersfan88]

<sarcasm>haha</sarcasm>