chrismartz
04-15-2004, 09:51 PM
I am looking for a free web provider that supports both php and asp for a web design company i'm thinking about starting....if you can think of any...please post!
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PeOfEo
04-15-2004, 11:02 PM
Originally posted by sirhcchris3
I am looking for a free web provider that supports both php and asp for a web design company i'm thinking about starting....if you can think of any...please post! yea good luck with that. If you want to start a web design company you should first line up a few clients and get a little cash to get a nice reseller account, no one is going to want to run from a free host, furthermore if you find a free host that supports asp and php you and I both know they are going to have to run from windows servers, and to be decent you will want mssql, msde, or atleast mysql. A host that can provide that is going to have ads, and it would not look good to clients. I say you try to muster a little cash to host the site after you have it made. You are an asp developer, you are in the asp forum all the time, so why the php?
I am looking for a free web provider that supports both php and asp for a web design company i'm thinking about starting....if you can think of any...please post! yea good luck with that. If you want to start a web design company you should first line up a few clients and get a little cash to get a nice reseller account, no one is going to want to run from a free host, furthermore if you find a free host that supports asp and php you and I both know they are going to have to run from windows servers, and to be decent you will want mssql, msde, or atleast mysql. A host that can provide that is going to have ads, and it would not look good to clients. I say you try to muster a little cash to host the site after you have it made. You are an asp developer, you are in the asp forum all the time, so why the php?
chrismartz
04-15-2004, 11:06 PM
the person i'm working with, writes his sites in php....that way the customer has a choice of what programming language wanted!
PeOfEo
04-15-2004, 11:15 PM
Originally posted by sirhcchris3
the person i'm working with, writes his sites in php....that way the customer has a choice of what programming language wanted! so why don't the two of you work together on a little startup cash. It takes money to make money. But before that try to land a few clients. Your church maybe, small businesses that could benefit from a site but do not have one.
http://www.free-webhosts.com/free-asp-hosting.php I found this, they seem too good to be true, like the third one. I do not understand why they want users to post in their forums... but whatever. My bet would be these places are on a crappy little t1 and running out of someone's bedroom, but you can take your chances if you really do not want ot pay.
the person i'm working with, writes his sites in php....that way the customer has a choice of what programming language wanted! so why don't the two of you work together on a little startup cash. It takes money to make money. But before that try to land a few clients. Your church maybe, small businesses that could benefit from a site but do not have one.
http://www.free-webhosts.com/free-asp-hosting.php I found this, they seem too good to be true, like the third one. I do not understand why they want users to post in their forums... but whatever. My bet would be these places are on a crappy little t1 and running out of someone's bedroom, but you can take your chances if you really do not want ot pay.
ray326
04-15-2004, 11:47 PM
Originally posted by sirhcchris3
the person i'm working with, writes his sites in php....that way the customer has a choice of what programming language wanted! That's not something the customer should specify IMHO. They should be interested in WHAT the site does and looks like, not HOW it is built. At any rate, you can run PHP on a Win box with IIS so that's what you should probably do to get a dev environment in as tight a space as possible. Then if you want to put a demo on the Internet find yourselves two hosts, one for PHP and one for ASP.
the person i'm working with, writes his sites in php....that way the customer has a choice of what programming language wanted! That's not something the customer should specify IMHO. They should be interested in WHAT the site does and looks like, not HOW it is built. At any rate, you can run PHP on a Win box with IIS so that's what you should probably do to get a dev environment in as tight a space as possible. Then if you want to put a demo on the Internet find yourselves two hosts, one for PHP and one for ASP.
buntine
04-16-2004, 12:54 AM
Dont be silly, man. You cant expect to use a free host for a legitiment business.
Theres 1000's of Windows servers which support both ASP and PHP.
My host, www.nevidia.com offer ASP, .NET, CGI, PHP, some others.
Regards,
Andrew Buntine.
Theres 1000's of Windows servers which support both ASP and PHP.
My host, www.nevidia.com offer ASP, .NET, CGI, PHP, some others.
Regards,
Andrew Buntine.
PeOfEo
04-16-2004, 01:02 AM
Originally posted by ray326
That's not something the customer should specify IMHO. They should be interested in WHAT the site does and looks like, not HOW it is built. At any rate, you can run PHP on a Win box with IIS so that's what you should probably do to get a dev environment in as tight a space as possible. Then if you want to put a demo on the Internet find yourselves two hosts, one for PHP and one for ASP. On the contrary, if the site is not on a stable host and has ads everywhere it is a turn off, if you want to make an impression you need decent hosting. A host with a crappy line is going to lag up the site and that will look bad too. IMO.
http://flashnmind.net/default.aspx?page=store_hosting I am friends with this reseller so when I get into the game more seriously this summer I plan to pick up one of these for my site, and apparently this is setup so that each client would have to be on their own plan, which actually would save me some work dividing up one big package (formally or unformally). This host is only asp and asp.net though.
That's not something the customer should specify IMHO. They should be interested in WHAT the site does and looks like, not HOW it is built. At any rate, you can run PHP on a Win box with IIS so that's what you should probably do to get a dev environment in as tight a space as possible. Then if you want to put a demo on the Internet find yourselves two hosts, one for PHP and one for ASP. On the contrary, if the site is not on a stable host and has ads everywhere it is a turn off, if you want to make an impression you need decent hosting. A host with a crappy line is going to lag up the site and that will look bad too. IMO.
http://flashnmind.net/default.aspx?page=store_hosting I am friends with this reseller so when I get into the game more seriously this summer I plan to pick up one of these for my site, and apparently this is setup so that each client would have to be on their own plan, which actually would save me some work dividing up one big package (formally or unformally). This host is only asp and asp.net though.
Daniel T
04-16-2004, 01:30 AM
If you want both ASP and PHP, and you don't wanna spend big bucks, you could pay a bit more for a fast ISP, maybe upgrade your RAM/harddrive, and run a decent server off of your computer. At first, I was just going to use my server for testing, because of the sad results of a speed test I did. But lately, I've heard things are loading pretty fast on it, so I think I'll stick with it for a while. Running a server off your own computer will also allow more flexibility, but you're in trouble if something goes wrong, and you don't know what to do about it. Still, I think self-hosting is a good option, and pretty much the only one with all of your requirements.
-Dan
-Dan
chrismartz
04-16-2004, 09:44 AM
so a free hosting for both php and asp is not available....i would run my own web server but am behind a firewall, and don't know how to set it up.....i have found many free ones but require that you post on their forums :(
buntine
04-16-2004, 10:10 AM
The reality is -- even if you find a free host which supports ASP and PHP, no one will take you seriously.
Entering the Web Design industry is just like entering any other industry, it takes alot of time and money. As we all know, first impressions last.
If a potential client requests your homepage and receives it, along with a bunch of advertisments, they are going to say "goodbye" pretty damn quick!
And you will need to invest in a domain name. No one will remember a URL like http://clients.hostingcompany.com/~yourname/wwwroot/index.html :D
Regards,
Andrew Buntine.
Entering the Web Design industry is just like entering any other industry, it takes alot of time and money. As we all know, first impressions last.
If a potential client requests your homepage and receives it, along with a bunch of advertisments, they are going to say "goodbye" pretty damn quick!
And you will need to invest in a domain name. No one will remember a URL like http://clients.hostingcompany.com/~yourname/wwwroot/index.html :D
Regards,
Andrew Buntine.
ray326
04-16-2004, 04:20 PM
PeOfEo, would you mind pointing out the word "free" in my response that you quoted? I say enough stupid stuff myself without getting blamed for something stupid I didn't say. :cool:
chrismartz
04-16-2004, 04:52 PM
i'm going to register it with a .tk account http://dot.tk .....can someone help me with setting it up on my own computer? this is with iis for both php and asp
PeOfEo
04-16-2004, 05:55 PM
Originally posted by ray326
PeOfEo, would you mind pointing out the word "free" in my response that you quoted? I say enough stupid stuff myself without getting blamed for something stupid I didn't say. :cool: if you are on a free host then it is going to most likely have ads in it and that is going to affect the way the site is built and host lag would too, thats a major turn off. You did not mention free or paid hosting but a client is going to notice ads if you are on a free host.
PeOfEo, would you mind pointing out the word "free" in my response that you quoted? I say enough stupid stuff myself without getting blamed for something stupid I didn't say. :cool: if you are on a free host then it is going to most likely have ads in it and that is going to affect the way the site is built and host lag would too, thats a major turn off. You did not mention free or paid hosting but a client is going to notice ads if you are on a free host.
PeOfEo
04-16-2004, 06:01 PM
Originally posted by DanieLTomaS
If you want both ASP and PHP, and you don't wanna spend big bucks, you could pay a bit more for a fast ISP, maybe upgrade your RAM/harddrive, and run a decent server off of your computer. At first, I was just going to use my server for testing, because of the sad results of a speed test I did. But lately, I've heard things are loading pretty fast on it, so I think I'll stick with it for a while. Running a server off your own computer will also allow more flexibility, but you're in trouble if something goes wrong, and you don't know what to do about it. Still, I think self-hosting is a good option, and pretty much the only one with all of your requirements.
-Dan most isps cap upload rates. Here in my town we have cable and dsl service, cable has a much faster download rate but that is beside the point, the uploads are capped on either at about 250 - 300k. So the site will not run that fast. Then if you are playing a game or running some other programs that tie up your ram and processor the site will lag. I myself would not run my own server for hosting working sites unless I had a t1 or higher and a full time dedicated box with a proc that gets 1000mhz or higher. I was planning on using an old motherboard and proc to run a server from, the proc was a p4 willamette with 256l2 cache and it ran at 1.6 stock speed (i oced to about 1.9), and the motherboard and that were sitting in a cardboard box with fan holes cut out, problem was my upload was too low to do anything affective, like I would want to host 1 or 2 people from it to cover the electric cost and this would be hard on that line. Then their are the security issues that buntine mentioned and if I were to do it I would not bet that I would pay for the software and if I tried to make money from it I would be in a bit of trouble. So really it would not be pheasable to run a server from home for anything more then testing.
If you want both ASP and PHP, and you don't wanna spend big bucks, you could pay a bit more for a fast ISP, maybe upgrade your RAM/harddrive, and run a decent server off of your computer. At first, I was just going to use my server for testing, because of the sad results of a speed test I did. But lately, I've heard things are loading pretty fast on it, so I think I'll stick with it for a while. Running a server off your own computer will also allow more flexibility, but you're in trouble if something goes wrong, and you don't know what to do about it. Still, I think self-hosting is a good option, and pretty much the only one with all of your requirements.
-Dan most isps cap upload rates. Here in my town we have cable and dsl service, cable has a much faster download rate but that is beside the point, the uploads are capped on either at about 250 - 300k. So the site will not run that fast. Then if you are playing a game or running some other programs that tie up your ram and processor the site will lag. I myself would not run my own server for hosting working sites unless I had a t1 or higher and a full time dedicated box with a proc that gets 1000mhz or higher. I was planning on using an old motherboard and proc to run a server from, the proc was a p4 willamette with 256l2 cache and it ran at 1.6 stock speed (i oced to about 1.9), and the motherboard and that were sitting in a cardboard box with fan holes cut out, problem was my upload was too low to do anything affective, like I would want to host 1 or 2 people from it to cover the electric cost and this would be hard on that line. Then their are the security issues that buntine mentioned and if I were to do it I would not bet that I would pay for the software and if I tried to make money from it I would be in a bit of trouble. So really it would not be pheasable to run a server from home for anything more then testing.
diamonds
04-16-2004, 06:08 PM
but I done expect you will be getting lots of visitors... mabye it is a good idea, try setting up a server on your computer until you have enough money and time for/to find a REAL webserver.
PeOfEo
04-16-2004, 06:16 PM
Originally posted by diamonds
but I done expect you will be getting lots of visitors... mabye it is a good idea, try setting up a server on your computer until you have enough money and time for/to find a REAL webserver. Like I said I only use mine for sending files to people ad apposed to connecting directly on aim, andfor local testing. It is a security risk and it is going to cost you electricity and lag up stuff for the visitors. A very low traffic site would not cause problems like lagging up your machine, but it just might be annoying haveing to keep your machine on 24/7 and having to worrie about keeping some resources free for the visitors so the site maybe loads.
but I done expect you will be getting lots of visitors... mabye it is a good idea, try setting up a server on your computer until you have enough money and time for/to find a REAL webserver. Like I said I only use mine for sending files to people ad apposed to connecting directly on aim, andfor local testing. It is a security risk and it is going to cost you electricity and lag up stuff for the visitors. A very low traffic site would not cause problems like lagging up your machine, but it just might be annoying haveing to keep your machine on 24/7 and having to worrie about keeping some resources free for the visitors so the site maybe loads.
chrismartz
04-16-2004, 08:32 PM
i have a computer with linux on it ready to be setup as a server....can i do/use anything with that?
PeOfEo
04-16-2004, 08:55 PM
Originally posted by sirhcchris3
i have a computer with linux on it ready to be setup as a server....can i do/use anything with that? heh, yes. You can run php and asp form it (sort of). But from what I have heard if you want to use asp from apache + linux you have to do it in perl. Asp.net on the other hand can run fine from linux with the mono project (http://www.go-mono.com/). Mono right now is only c# but eventually it is going to be full support of c# and vb.net, it is in beta stages now I guess. Also this other site is saying netcraft, but I think it is the same thing as mono, but do not quote me on that one. But anyways asp and asp.net will both run from linux but at this point both only support one language even though asp.net will be supported more in a little while. 1% of asp.net sites are on linux right now because of mono according to this one internet news site. Actually mono has a vb.net compiler already on their site, but they seem to be more geared towards c# and I do not know how much of vb.net is supported yet
http://www.go-mono.com/mbas.html
i have a computer with linux on it ready to be setup as a server....can i do/use anything with that? heh, yes. You can run php and asp form it (sort of). But from what I have heard if you want to use asp from apache + linux you have to do it in perl. Asp.net on the other hand can run fine from linux with the mono project (http://www.go-mono.com/). Mono right now is only c# but eventually it is going to be full support of c# and vb.net, it is in beta stages now I guess. Also this other site is saying netcraft, but I think it is the same thing as mono, but do not quote me on that one. But anyways asp and asp.net will both run from linux but at this point both only support one language even though asp.net will be supported more in a little while. 1% of asp.net sites are on linux right now because of mono according to this one internet news site. Actually mono has a vb.net compiler already on their site, but they seem to be more geared towards c# and I do not know how much of vb.net is supported yet
http://www.go-mono.com/mbas.html
ray326
04-16-2004, 10:48 PM
Originally posted by sirhcchris3
i have a computer with linux on it ready to be setup as a server....can i do/use anything with that?
Well you can but the ASP implimentation is not good whereas the PHP implimentation on Windows is perfect so your best "single box" solution is a Windows box.
i have a computer with linux on it ready to be setup as a server....can i do/use anything with that?
Well you can but the ASP implimentation is not good whereas the PHP implimentation on Windows is perfect so your best "single box" solution is a Windows box.
buntine
04-17-2004, 12:12 AM
Agreed. You actually cant run classic ASP from Linum at all unless you purchase something similar to the products which Chillisoft offer. It costs like $2000.
Regards.
Regards.
buntine
04-17-2004, 12:16 AM
MAte, your going to have fork out alot of cash. NO ONE will contract you unless they know your not a cheap, unprofessional scam.
.tk is a BAD thing. ok? Free hosts are even worse.
.tk is a BAD thing. ok? Free hosts are even worse.
chrismartz
04-17-2004, 12:17 AM
hey.....i'm just trying to start out....and have not alot of money
buntine
04-17-2004, 12:26 AM
So, doesnt it seem obvious?? Dont start out!
You cant just whip up a site, stick it on a free server and then expect to make some money...
Regards.
You cant just whip up a site, stick it on a free server and then expect to make some money...
Regards.
PeOfEo
04-17-2004, 01:53 AM
Originally posted by sirhcchris3
hey.....i'm just trying to start out....and have not alot of money Buntine he can start out. You are going to need to line up a few clients, this will be difficult to do with nothing to show for yourself, as I said go to your church or some place where they trust you and you can get something online, you do not need to make a super amount of cash on the first site, just cover hosting costs for it and your site + some pocket change. After all its your first one, after that and you have your site up you can jack rates up considerably. That is basically what I am doing, this summer I will start working on the site when I have time, but I already have my church lined up, I am going to make the a 100% dynamic site controled from a secure cms, I will actually give them somewhat of a deal because they are my church but I will not do it for dirt cheap since I do have some things to show for my work, like articles I have written and one site online on wmh that is being redone right now. Just my suggestions to you as a possible course of action.
hey.....i'm just trying to start out....and have not alot of money Buntine he can start out. You are going to need to line up a few clients, this will be difficult to do with nothing to show for yourself, as I said go to your church or some place where they trust you and you can get something online, you do not need to make a super amount of cash on the first site, just cover hosting costs for it and your site + some pocket change. After all its your first one, after that and you have your site up you can jack rates up considerably. That is basically what I am doing, this summer I will start working on the site when I have time, but I already have my church lined up, I am going to make the a 100% dynamic site controled from a secure cms, I will actually give them somewhat of a deal because they are my church but I will not do it for dirt cheap since I do have some things to show for my work, like articles I have written and one site online on wmh that is being redone right now. Just my suggestions to you as a possible course of action.
buntine
04-17-2004, 02:56 AM
Sure, he can start out. But if he wants to do it professionally, he will need to save up some money, further his skills, understand the business side of the web industry, learn how to write quotes, business letters, etc, practise witing some business propositions and THEN start out.
Im not saying your going to fail.. Not at all, im just explaining how i think you should attack it. The most important side of the Web Design industry is your image and professionalism. The kids out there these days are doing the most amazing things, but the business-wise guys are the ones making the money.
Regards,
Andrew Buntine.
Im not saying your going to fail.. Not at all, im just explaining how i think you should attack it. The most important side of the Web Design industry is your image and professionalism. The kids out there these days are doing the most amazing things, but the business-wise guys are the ones making the money.
Regards,
Andrew Buntine.
chrismartz
04-17-2004, 09:49 AM
the thing is, i do know how to handle a business because i have a mowing business with over 40 clients.
buntine
04-17-2004, 09:51 AM
Then save some money and your good to go ;) But keep in mind, the IT industry is extremely different from the mowing industry. You know that, though.
Regards.
Regards.
PeOfEo
04-17-2004, 01:03 PM
Originally posted by sirhcchris3
the thing is, i do know how to handle a business because i have a mowing business with over 40 clients. you were born in 1986, so you would not own it. I would believe you work for a lawn service though. I actually worked for a lawn service a while back, they would drive the van fullweedwackers and mowers by and I would ride to the lawns we needed to do. Hard work in the florida sun.
the thing is, i do know how to handle a business because i have a mowing business with over 40 clients. you were born in 1986, so you would not own it. I would believe you work for a lawn service though. I actually worked for a lawn service a while back, they would drive the van fullweedwackers and mowers by and I would ride to the lawns we needed to do. Hard work in the florida sun.
chrismartz
04-17-2004, 04:53 PM
Actually, I do own the company....I have 5 other workers and my self mowing more than 40 lawns....I turn 18 in october....just cause i was born in 86' doesn't mean i cant own a company
PeOfEo
04-18-2004, 02:12 AM
Originally posted by sirhcchris3
Actually, I do own the company....I have 5 other workers and my self mowing more than 40 lawns....I turn 18 in october....just cause i was born in 86' doesn't mean i cant own a company it is certainly a big barrier to entry since you are not technically an adult yet.
Actually, I do own the company....I have 5 other workers and my self mowing more than 40 lawns....I turn 18 in october....just cause i was born in 86' doesn't mean i cant own a company it is certainly a big barrier to entry since you are not technically an adult yet.
buntine
04-18-2004, 06:50 AM
Your doing quite well for yourself then!
But the thing is, how do you suppose your going to be able run a Web Design business whilst your running a lawn mowing service??
Your 17, dont go over your head, you will get yourself into trouble.
Regards,
Andrew Buntine.
But the thing is, how do you suppose your going to be able run a Web Design business whilst your running a lawn mowing service??
Your 17, dont go over your head, you will get yourself into trouble.
Regards,
Andrew Buntine.
PeOfEo
04-18-2004, 08:51 AM
Originally posted by buntine
Your doing quite well for yourself then!
But the thing is, how do you suppose your going to be able run a Web Design business whilst your running a lawn mowing service??
Your 17, dont go over your head, you will get yourself into trouble.
Regards,
Andrew Buntine. yea make sure when a client pays you you handle that social security, if the govt does not know you are makeing sites for cash you are doing it illegally.
Your doing quite well for yourself then!
But the thing is, how do you suppose your going to be able run a Web Design business whilst your running a lawn mowing service??
Your 17, dont go over your head, you will get yourself into trouble.
Regards,
Andrew Buntine. yea make sure when a client pays you you handle that social security, if the govt does not know you are makeing sites for cash you are doing it illegally.
chrismartz
04-18-2004, 11:39 AM
i'm not dealing with the money, thats why i'm the vice president....But yea.....taxes suck
buntine
04-18-2004, 11:47 AM
Agreed. Tax returns alright, though. ;)
If i was you, i would contact your local church, youth group, etc, and offer to design them a simple web site for free.
This will give you a client base to work from.
Regards,
Andrew Buntine.
If i was you, i would contact your local church, youth group, etc, and offer to design them a simple web site for free.
This will give you a client base to work from.
Regards,
Andrew Buntine.
PeOfEo
04-18-2004, 12:25 PM
I am not doing my church site for free as I stated before, but how I am going to deal with the taxes is I am going to have them hire me as an employee to make this and have them give me a few lofty paychecks which will cover my social security + income tax stuff.
buntine
04-18-2004, 12:50 PM
Is your church going to be able to afford these 'lofty paychecks'? I wouldnt think a Web Site would be something a church would invest alot of funds into.
When i first started, i just designed for the sake of it. Then i got sick of designing and continued my programming. Now i charge $70 an hour and average 7 lines a day!
Regards.
When i first started, i just designed for the sake of it. Then i got sick of designing and continued my programming. Now i charge $70 an hour and average 7 lines a day!
Regards.
PeOfEo
04-18-2004, 01:12 PM
lofty checks meaning I get a pretty high pay check, you know something that is much higher then what someone would get for minimum wage. I will still be cutting them a deal. I assume I can have this site scripted in a week to two weeks during the summer and I am going to be honest about the # of hours I put in of course. I am thinking it is going to come out to 9 - 10 bucks an hour for this. My church will put that kind of money into it because it is cheaper then what you will find the dev companies around here charge, and I am a member and will be giving 10% of that cash back :cool:. I am not sure but I think the church hosts its self. They have a t1 line running because this is a big church and has a school and offices with computers for the pastor associate pastor and deans, has a big technical area upstairs where the control the projector which runs powerpoint during the service and the music and all, and I think the box up there is the server. That would be very conveiniant. I will not be able to change them a hosting fee but it will make things a lot easier. Ill have to reg a ssl certif though... I think they already have the dns setup too. That is from the old site, the guy is still there but he doesnt have time to do the site, he does this stuff for his business and does not want to give the church a low rate when he is getting paid a whole bunch to do it for other places and he can be makeing money there. But anyways thats the story behind this.
buntine
04-18-2004, 01:14 PM
Fair enough. Seems like a pretty good deal.
PeOfEo
04-18-2004, 01:16 PM
it is, it will be to get going on. I am going to have to buy a reseller package on this indian server though for a personal site one day so I can move on to work for more people in the future hopefully.
buntine
04-18-2004, 01:48 PM
Oh ok, so your considering starting up a small business?
Me and some buddies have been seriously considering starting up a software company. We have some great ideas for new software applications. We are gonna buy out Microsoft. :cool:
Regards.
Me and some buddies have been seriously considering starting up a software company. We have some great ideas for new software applications. We are gonna buy out Microsoft. :cool:
Regards.
Daniel T
04-18-2004, 02:01 PM
Originally posted by PeOfEo
if the govt does not know you are makeing sites for cash you are doing it illegally.
I'm not really running a company or anything, but I design websites for some of the businesses in town here, and they just pay me in cash. Is this still illegal?
-Dan
if the govt does not know you are makeing sites for cash you are doing it illegally.
I'm not really running a company or anything, but I design websites for some of the businesses in town here, and they just pay me in cash. Is this still illegal?
-Dan
buntine
04-18-2004, 02:14 PM
No, unless you have officially registered your business. If you have registered your business with the national business registrar and you are charging GST, you will be ok.
Here in Australia, you must aquire an ABN (Aussie Business Number) before you can legally trade in the country. This is not mandatory for small business, but its a good move.
You really have nothing to worry about, mate.
Regards.
Here in Australia, you must aquire an ABN (Aussie Business Number) before you can legally trade in the country. This is not mandatory for small business, but its a good move.
You really have nothing to worry about, mate.
Regards.
PeOfEo
04-18-2004, 02:19 PM
Originally posted by DanieLTomaS
I'm not really running a company or anything, but I design websites for some of the businesses in town here, and they just pay me in cash. Is this still illegal?
-Dan yes, it is not reporting income and not paying off social security, it is illegal, no one is going to notice but technically it is illegal. It is illegal to run a lemonaid stand technically. You can barter legally, but when money is moving regularly without the it being reported it is cheating and you could get a small fine. Its really not a big deal though.
Oh ok, so your considering starting up a small business? sort of, really just a little cash on the side, If I make a few sites this summer, maybe 2 or three that will be a nice pocket of money and I will get a little maintenance cash and some hosting cash through the year. I am also looking into A+ classes at our local community colledge because if I get A+ certified this local computer store will hire me, they are willing to hire me but I am not allowed to work on state owned computers (maybe in school classrooms or in city offices) without that so this store can't hire me without that since they do a lot of work on those.
I'm not really running a company or anything, but I design websites for some of the businesses in town here, and they just pay me in cash. Is this still illegal?
-Dan yes, it is not reporting income and not paying off social security, it is illegal, no one is going to notice but technically it is illegal. It is illegal to run a lemonaid stand technically. You can barter legally, but when money is moving regularly without the it being reported it is cheating and you could get a small fine. Its really not a big deal though.
Oh ok, so your considering starting up a small business? sort of, really just a little cash on the side, If I make a few sites this summer, maybe 2 or three that will be a nice pocket of money and I will get a little maintenance cash and some hosting cash through the year. I am also looking into A+ classes at our local community colledge because if I get A+ certified this local computer store will hire me, they are willing to hire me but I am not allowed to work on state owned computers (maybe in school classrooms or in city offices) without that so this store can't hire me without that since they do a lot of work on those.
buntine
04-18-2004, 02:26 PM
oh k, sounds good. ;)
Daniel T
04-18-2004, 02:34 PM
Originally posted by PeOfEo
It is illegal to run a lemonaid stand technically.
OK, if the government is gonna be that fussy, screw them! I will now start selling illegal lemonade to my customers while they wait for their illegal websites to be built. My dad works for the gov't, and he doesn't seem to care, so I'm not gonna give any of my well-earned web design money to the gov't for Paul Martin to spend on fancy dinners and hotel resorts.
-Dan
It is illegal to run a lemonaid stand technically.
OK, if the government is gonna be that fussy, screw them! I will now start selling illegal lemonade to my customers while they wait for their illegal websites to be built. My dad works for the gov't, and he doesn't seem to care, so I'm not gonna give any of my well-earned web design money to the gov't for Paul Martin to spend on fancy dinners and hotel resorts.
-Dan
buntine
04-18-2004, 02:45 PM
In Australia, its definetely not illegal.
PeOfEo
04-18-2004, 05:53 PM
who is paul martin? The govt is not going to shut down a lemonaid stand, they really could care less, but if you read the law strictly it is technically not allowed. Infact I remember one time, this was real dumb, a cop stopped at a lemonaid stand off of a freeway exit and talked to a little girl got her name called her parents etc then the interstate commerce commision stepped in and tried to fine them and they took it to court and so on and so fourth. Technically if you sell anything on a free way or in a hotel with a lot of out of state people etc it is interstate commerce so they have jurisdiction and can go after you for not having appropriate paper work etc.
btw: the little girl's parents won the civil case and did not have to pay the fine and they also were sueing for the legal bills so they got those paid and a little cash for missed sallary (for the parents not the girl at the stand :p) and inconveiniance etc etc.
btw: the little girl's parents won the civil case and did not have to pay the fine and they also were sueing for the legal bills so they got those paid and a little cash for missed sallary (for the parents not the girl at the stand :p) and inconveiniance etc etc.
Daniel T
04-18-2004, 06:14 PM
Originally posted by PeOfEo
who is paul martin?
Paul Martin is the Prime Minister of Canada, as you would see quite quickly by doing a Google search (http://www.google.com/search?q=paul+martin);) I'm very surprised you didn't know that. Especially since you seem to be quite knowledgable about politics. Well, I guess it just goes to show how America seems to have power over the world, yet doesnt seem to care about anything outside the border. I bet you if you were to ask 10 Americans who the PM of Canada was, about 4 of them would get it right, while all 10 Canadians would know that George Bush is the President of the US. These types of things have actually been proven by a great Canadian comedian by the name of Rick Mercer in Rick Mercer: Talking to Americans (http://radio.cbc.ca/programs/thismorning/sites/a&e/mercer_010330.html). It's kind of sad, really, that Americans know so little about us, when we take the time to learn about them.
-Dan
who is paul martin?
Paul Martin is the Prime Minister of Canada, as you would see quite quickly by doing a Google search (http://www.google.com/search?q=paul+martin);) I'm very surprised you didn't know that. Especially since you seem to be quite knowledgable about politics. Well, I guess it just goes to show how America seems to have power over the world, yet doesnt seem to care about anything outside the border. I bet you if you were to ask 10 Americans who the PM of Canada was, about 4 of them would get it right, while all 10 Canadians would know that George Bush is the President of the US. These types of things have actually been proven by a great Canadian comedian by the name of Rick Mercer in Rick Mercer: Talking to Americans (http://radio.cbc.ca/programs/thismorning/sites/a&e/mercer_010330.html). It's kind of sad, really, that Americans know so little about us, when we take the time to learn about them.
-Dan
PeOfEo
04-18-2004, 09:21 PM
canada is not a country in my opinion, its like knowing each states governer. I know tony blair, koizumi of japan, vladimir putin of russia, johannes rau of germany, and of course chirac the A$$ of france. The candaian pm is not in the news a lot, that is why I have no idea who it is. I do not keep names in my head unless I see them on fox or cnn a lot.
Daniel T
04-18-2004, 09:35 PM
The technical word for Canada is "nation". The US isn't a country either, as you can see here: Google's definition of United States (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&q=define%3A+united+states&btnG=Search). I challenge you to find the word "country" just once on that page. Obviously, US aint no country eitha/
-Dan
-Dan
chrismartz
04-18-2004, 09:43 PM
wow.....the civil war has started up again....this is a civil war right.....cuz we're on the same continent?:)
PeOfEo
04-18-2004, 10:44 PM
Originally posted by DanieLTomaS
The technical word for Canada is "nation". The US isn't a country either, as you can see here: Google's definition of United States (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&q=define%3A+united+states&btnG=Search). I challenge you to find the word "country" just once on that page. Obviously, US aint no country eitha/
-Dan the united state's form of government is republic, and that is what it is referred too as and nation is a synonim to country
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=country
The technical word for Canada is "nation". The US isn't a country either, as you can see here: Google's definition of United States (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&q=define%3A+united+states&btnG=Search). I challenge you to find the word "country" just once on that page. Obviously, US aint no country eitha/
-Dan the united state's form of government is republic, and that is what it is referred too as and nation is a synonim to country
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=country
ray326
04-18-2004, 10:52 PM
I bet you if you were to ask 10 Americans who the PM of Canada was, about 4 of them would get it right, while all 10 Canadians would know that George Bush is the President of the US. I think you're way to high with that guess. Maybe in a few of the border states but down here in a general population that would be less than 1 in 10. The reason the Canadians know Bush but the Americans don't know Martin is because Canada hasn't invaded anyone recently.
PeOfEo
04-18-2004, 11:01 PM
Originally posted by ray326
I think you're way to high with that guess. Maybe in a few of the border states but down here in a general population that would be less than 1 in 10. The reason the Canadians know Bush but the Americans don't know Martin is because Canada hasn't invaded anyone recently. exactly. I know france because their dictator / grand wizard has been foiling us, and I know blare because blare has been our buddy. What has Canada done recently? Nothing that has made a lot of international news. Its like asking who the president of new zealand is, its a modern country but it does nothing, never in the news!
I think you're way to high with that guess. Maybe in a few of the border states but down here in a general population that would be less than 1 in 10. The reason the Canadians know Bush but the Americans don't know Martin is because Canada hasn't invaded anyone recently. exactly. I know france because their dictator / grand wizard has been foiling us, and I know blare because blare has been our buddy. What has Canada done recently? Nothing that has made a lot of international news. Its like asking who the president of new zealand is, its a modern country but it does nothing, never in the news!
Daniel T
04-18-2004, 11:07 PM
War or no war. When George Bush was elected President, every Canadian knew about it. When Paul Martin became Prime Minister, Americans couldn't care less.
-Dan
-Dan
ray326
04-19-2004, 12:10 AM
Originally posted by DanieLTomaS
War or no war. When George Bush was elected President, every Canadian knew about it. When Paul Martin became Prime Minister, Americans couldn't care less.
-Dan Sure. You always want to know where the 300 pound gorilla is.
War or no war. When George Bush was elected President, every Canadian knew about it. When Paul Martin became Prime Minister, Americans couldn't care less.
-Dan Sure. You always want to know where the 300 pound gorilla is.
ray326
04-19-2004, 12:12 AM
Its like asking who the president of new zealand is, its a modern country but it does nothing, never in the news!
Well I'll have to take issue with that one. Every single person in New Zealand was personally thanked at the Oscars. 8-)
Well I'll have to take issue with that one. Every single person in New Zealand was personally thanked at the Oscars. 8-)
Daniel T
04-19-2004, 01:04 AM
Originally posted by PeOfEo
Its like asking who the president of new zealand is
Wow, Peo. I thought you were a lot more knowledgeable about politics. I don't expect you to know who it is, but I would've at least thought you would know that New Zealand had a Prime Minister, not a President. Even I knew that one.
-Dan
Its like asking who the president of new zealand is
Wow, Peo. I thought you were a lot more knowledgeable about politics. I don't expect you to know who it is, but I would've at least thought you would know that New Zealand had a Prime Minister, not a President. Even I knew that one.
-Dan
Daniel T
04-19-2004, 01:06 AM
Originally posted by ray326
Well I'll have to take issue with that one. Every single person in New Zealand was personally thanked at the Oscars. 8-)
Yeah, wasn't The Lord Of The Rings filmed in New Zealand? Idunno, but Peo seems like the kind of guy who would be into Lord Of The Rings...
-Dan
Well I'll have to take issue with that one. Every single person in New Zealand was personally thanked at the Oscars. 8-)
Yeah, wasn't The Lord Of The Rings filmed in New Zealand? Idunno, but Peo seems like the kind of guy who would be into Lord Of The Rings...
-Dan
buntine
04-19-2004, 03:48 AM
Yer it was, and now all the Kiwis think they are famous! Damn you Peter Jackson.
By the way, check out Peter Jacksons earlier films "Bad Taste" and "Braindead". Braindead is the goriest flick ever!
Regards.
By the way, check out Peter Jacksons earlier films "Bad Taste" and "Braindead". Braindead is the goriest flick ever!
Regards.
chrismartz
04-19-2004, 09:21 AM
The reason Canadians know about Bush is because alot has happened with him when he began his presidency. We don't know who the prime minister is because we don't have one ourselves and don't really care.
buntine
04-19-2004, 10:05 AM
You may not care, but the majority of the general public definetely would.
Furthermore, you dont know about the politics of other countries because you are ignorant.
Furthermore, you dont know about the politics of other countries because you are ignorant.
PeOfEo
04-19-2004, 08:28 PM
Originally posted by DanieLTomaS
Wow, Peo. I thought you were a lot more knowledgeable about politics. I don't expect you to know who it is, but I would've at least thought you would know that New Zealand had a Prime Minister, not a President. Even I knew that one.
-Dan if his title were czar it would not matter. US is the worlds biggest supper power, when the soviet union was around we all knew who stalin was, who lenin was, khrushcev, gorbachev, brezhnev, and kosygin. Weather we could spell them is another story. Lets see canada assert its military might, bring on that tug boat full of 10 cavalryment and go fight some wars, maybe it will make the news.
Wow, Peo. I thought you were a lot more knowledgeable about politics. I don't expect you to know who it is, but I would've at least thought you would know that New Zealand had a Prime Minister, not a President. Even I knew that one.
-Dan if his title were czar it would not matter. US is the worlds biggest supper power, when the soviet union was around we all knew who stalin was, who lenin was, khrushcev, gorbachev, brezhnev, and kosygin. Weather we could spell them is another story. Lets see canada assert its military might, bring on that tug boat full of 10 cavalryment and go fight some wars, maybe it will make the news.
chrismartz
04-19-2004, 08:34 PM
hey, hey....don't be hatin' on Canada...they are our allie(friend)
PeOfEo
04-19-2004, 10:39 PM
Originally posted by sirhcchris3
hey, hey....don't be hatin' on Canada...they are our allie(friend) not really... I consider them to be the 51st state :p... except for quebec, they are like a western france, they can eat... well they can die.
hey, hey....don't be hatin' on Canada...they are our allie(friend) not really... I consider them to be the 51st state :p... except for quebec, they are like a western france, they can eat... well they can die.
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