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PeOfEo
05-14-2004, 09:11 PM
Yep, newegg confirmed that my motherboard did bite the dust. They do not have it in stock anymore, here is the replacement
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-130-454&depa=1
I am all kinds of excited about it. Dual channel, intel chipset, sata, sounds like a fun board! I will be able to overclock the heck out of my proc with this thing. Look at the price they are selling it for, pretty cheap for that board I would say, since that is a bit high end for msi.
http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=848p_neo-v&class=mb msi data on it.
The Cheat
05-15-2004, 02:01 AM
um... congradulations ;)
Aww, that's cool, you're so lucky! ;)
PeOfEo
05-15-2004, 12:11 PM
its a cool board, but ill have to reformat because windows is not going to be able to move to a new chipset (no os in general would). Also it was a big pain in the butt to have to use this comp for a week.
Hmm, I don't know a whole lot about hardware and curcuitry and stuff, but it makes sense... I always thought overclocking would really decrease the length of time the computer will last, though.
PeOfEo
05-15-2004, 02:09 PM
not with proper cooling. I have a copper heat sink and a pretty powerful fan. Lemme check the cfm, bout 40cfm.
PeOfEo
05-15-2004, 02:22 PM
it does put all of your parts under more stress, but it should not cause too much wear and tear unless you really heavily clock it and the temp of the proc is gettig into the 120 130 + range. Where it is waiting to burn. I have a thermal sensor duct taped under my hsf so my temps are rather accurate... more so then my motherboard moniter. Mobo sensors tend to be off pretty often for some reason.
That's very brave of you, Peo. I'd never risk it. But that's just me... again. :rolleyes:
PeOfEo
05-15-2004, 03:22 PM
its not rly a risk if you know what you are doing and you incriment the bus and voltage correctly. If you do not add enough voltage you will get stop errors, if you add too much you will get stop errors. You have to do a lil math before hand.
The Cheat
05-15-2004, 03:25 PM
wont overclocking break your warranty though ?
PeOfEo
05-15-2004, 06:41 PM
well as long as you do not damage the processor, like burn it, they probably will not know lol. Just know that if you try to rma your proc with intel and you send it back to them all chared and crispy they will not be giving you any money. Infact, they are not going to replace it if there is any physical damage. Though if lightning strikes and you have a surge protector you could always get your money from the surge protector's maker, they often will pay you any damages... thats policy for many makers.
speaking of overclocking: watch this video (http://www.tomshardware.com/images/thg_video_11_5ghz.zip)
DaveSW
05-17-2004, 12:09 PM
Originally posted by PeOfEo
but ill have to reformat because windows is not going to be able to move to a new chipset (no os in general would).
Windows 98, 98SE, ME would.
Linux would if you boot from startup disk.
DaveSW
05-17-2004, 12:12 PM
Originally posted by PeOfEo
watch this video (http://www.tomshardware.com/images/thg_video_11_5ghz.zip)
@ 23MB zipped? YMBJ! LOL
Originally posted by DaveSW
YMBJ!
...You must be joking? Your mother brings jelly? Yuri Malconvich buys jokebooks?
PeOfEo
05-17-2004, 10:23 PM
Originally posted by DaveSW
Windows 98, 98SE, ME would.
Linux would if you boot from startup disk. yes, and I am going to run 98 or me. Linux would cause problem's though, wouldn't it?
dave... download that movie and watch it or I will jump out of your moniter and harass you. Ever seen lawmower man?
rhsunderground
05-18-2004, 01:05 AM
Originally posted by PeOfEo
I have a thermal sensor duct taped under my hsf so my temps are rather accurate...
i'm not sure exactly what temperature it is, but i know that duct tape will melt off, which could be rather bad...
rhsunderground
05-18-2004, 01:13 AM
Originally posted by yeehaw
Normal duct tape melts at 93 degrees C. The inside of the PC at 15 psi is 121 degress C
i googled it and found this thread ---> http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat-Number-2647402.html
DaveSW
05-18-2004, 10:27 AM
As I understand it you'd need to use a boot disk. It's not always the case tho, because I've moved a couple of linux drives to completely different pcs without it thinking twice about it - linux does so much auto-detecting on boot it doesn't matter.
I've just finished setting up my machine to run shrike (red hat 9) and win me using the linux bootloader. It boots faster than normal for some reason!
DaveSW
05-18-2004, 10:28 AM
Originally posted by PeOfEo
dave... download that movie and watch it or I will jump out of your moniter and harass you. Ever seen lawmower man?
Oh all right then.
PS Jona: your first guess was the right one.
PPS: anyone ever used the MSI overclocking utility?
Originally posted by DaveSW
PS Jona: your first guess was the right one.
Awesome! ;)
PeOfEo
05-18-2004, 06:21 PM
Originally posted by rhsunderground
i googled it and found this thread ---> http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat-Number-2647402.html um idealy the processor temp would not get anywhere near that... Infact, my proc (intel northwood) would melt before the duct tape. The danger zone for a proc starts around I would say 60c... I could not let it go above that. 140f is 60c. I hope this yeehaw guy has never tested his melting point theory. If my temp were getting that high maybe the melting duct tape would evaporate like sweat and cool my processor which would at that point have a nice little cloud of smoke. 93c is 199.4f, surface temp of a proc that high? Yes, I would bet on the system cutting off and the proc down clocking way before that (intel processors will down clock themselves when they overheat, amd will not do it alone, but some motherboard will do it, amd 64 should do it alone... atleast I think it does, look at this video http://www.tomshardware.com/images/thg_video_1_cpu_cooling.zip they have stuff about taking heat sinks off processors and seeing how long it takes for the system to turn off of the processor smoke).
PeOfEo
05-18-2004, 06:41 PM
Originally posted by DaveSW
Oh all right then.
PS Jona: your first guess was the right one.
PPS: anyone ever used the MSI overclocking utility? core center or pc alert or whatever? I have used core center, but core center has the othe rone in it, its integrated or whatever. I plan on trying the other one. I use the utilities to do it from windows to oc and put my proc under load, then I figure out where I am not getting stop errors doing that, take those numbers and save them in bios. Its faster to oc from windows then to trial and error through bios. I incriment the bus and voltage from the oc utility. If your motherboard thermoster is accurate then ocing from windows is rather safe if you keep your eye on that temp.
rhsunderground
05-19-2004, 12:48 AM
Originally posted by PeOfEo
um idealy the processor temp would not get anywhere near that........ and other points proving that PeO actually knows what he's talking about
well, i'll have to trust you on that one. i don't really know much about the inner workings of computers. i just read that thing about you duct taping the inside of your computer and wondered when duct tape begins to melt. i might have to respond to that thread and give them your name and show em what's right.
DaveSW
05-19-2004, 03:46 AM
If I remember correctly my motherboard has emergency shutdown cpu temperature settings starting at 60 deg C and going up to about 75. Hence you should be fairly safe.
I can't remember what the utility was called, but it clocks up the processor speed until the system becomes unstable and restarts. You then run the program again and tell it to use the last stable value. Sounds a bit hit and miss to me :) .
PeOfEo
05-19-2004, 03:34 PM
Originally posted by DaveSW
If I remember correctly my motherboard has emergency shutdown cpu temperature settings starting at 60 deg C and going up to about 75. Hence you should be fairly safe.
I can't remember what the utility was called, but it clocks up the processor speed until the system becomes unstable and restarts. You then run the program again and tell it to use the last stable value. Sounds a bit hit and miss to me :) . Well you can't really burn up an intel by ocing, but you can still damage it, and I would not put it above 60c myself. But intel procs will downclock with temperature and the system might turn off before that point depending on the motherboard. With the motherboard that I had, which is in ca now, I could controlt that. I had my little thermastat goin on the fan, so if it got hot it would increase the voltage to the fan so blow more air (i like to turn it down at night) and if the temperature was really insane, the system would do a normal shut down immediatly. Like you would get the windows is shutting down message. You could also set it to give you an alarm i f the temperature is above a certain amount. All of that was nice, but it did not work, because my thermal sensor on the motherboard was about 30 degrees (f) off. I had to always set those numbers a little higher or I would be getting alarms and shutting down in every day just a little bit warm temperatures, the 110 - 120 range (at night, it hovered around 90 - 100 during the day, but at night the fan speed was scaled down and I was still crunching numbers).
David Harrison
05-20-2004, 11:20 AM
Hey there PeOfEo, I was wondering what you crunch for? I ran 1 work unit on Seti before I switched to United Devices (http://www.grid.org/projects/cancer/).
Well without overclocking my CPU is already at 40 C (130 F) and that's hot enough for me. I got a Coolermaster Aero 7+ (http://www.coolermaster.com/index.php?LT=english&Language_s=2&url_place=product&p_serial=ASB-V73&other_title=ASB-V73Aero%207%2B) but it's a bit faulty so the nice people at Coolermaster are swopping it for a Jet 7+ (http://www.coolermaster.com/index.php?LT=english&Language_s=2&url_place=product&p_serial=ACB-V83&other_title=ACB-V83JET%207), so cool. :D
With regards to maximum CPU temps, I have a case sensor for my CPU that's hooked up to an LCD display on the front. The sensor probably doesn't provide an accurate reading though because it's selotaped to the back of the mobo.
The fan that I have is faulty because sometimes it just stops. I come home to find a crashed PC that's so hot that the sensor doesn't work, I think it maxes out at 80 C (202 F).
I open my case up and the heatsink actually burns me when I touch it (not that I go out of my way to touch it).
In case you haven't already guessed I have an Athlon (1800+ MP) that doesn't have any sort of clock throttling defense mechanism in place. Still works fine though even after it has been cooked a few times. :D