Reagan Kicked the Bucket

[PeOfEo]

oh that sucks... he was argueably the best president ever. His foreign, domestic, and especially economic policies were out stnading. He was also so charismatic. I was sadder when he got that disease that I can't spell, but this is still pretty lame. I wish we had more presidents as good as he was.

[The Cheat]

yeah its sad :(

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PS. Vote for George Bush 2004 election!!!
PPS. Michael Reagan ROCKS!

[akadis]

Originally posted by The Cheat
PS. Vote for George Bush 2004 election!!!
cant say im a huge George Bush fan...of either of them (Sr. or Jr.), If i was old enough (6 months too young) I'd vote Karry when the time came




NOTE: I'm not trying to get into a political fight here, just stating my opinion. :D

[Sam]

Who's Karry?

[The Cheat]

lol :p

[PeOfEo]

Kerry is an idiot. If you want to make a statement about not liking bush then vote for a liberitarian or something. Kerry has no definate opinion on anything, he is contradictory of himself, and evasive of others. Thats the way I see it atleast.

[The Cheat]

Originally posted by PeOfEo
Kerry is an idiot. If you want to make a statement about not liking bush then vote for a liberitarian or something. Kerry has no definate opinion on anything, he is contradictory of himself, and evasive of others. Thats the way I see it atleast.
tru dat!

[Daniel T]

I have one thing to say:

George Bush is a ****ing moron.

[The Cheat]

Isn't it funny how the liberals always are quick to throw insults at our president- yet they never give any positive feedback about what they think should be done to fix the problem.

[PeOfEo]

kerry has not once said how he would do iraq better. Kerry is an idiot, and I provided reasons with why I feel like he is one. George bush is a genious because he surrounded himself by some great people, rummy, ashcroft, powel, rice, cheyney, and others. They are like a dream team for a cabinet, they are all very inteligent people.

[Daniel T]

Originally posted by The Cheat
Isn't it funny how the liberals always are quick to throw insults at our president- yet they never give any positive feedback about what they think should be done to fix the problem.
The liberals are ****ing morons aswell.

**EDIT**
And Peo, I think the US should get their asses out of Iraq and let them sort things out on their own. By being there, they're angering Hamas and other terrorist organisations, and aren't helping one bit.

[PeOfEo]

Originally posted by Daniel T
The liberals are ****ing morons aswell.

**EDIT**
And Peo, I think the US should get their asses out of Iraq and let them sort things out on their own. By being there, they're angering Hamas and other terrorist organisations, and aren't helping one bit. oh please.. those people are going to be angry no matter what, we are taking out a threat. Look, a muslem cleric said "it is our mission to kill the chris... idoleters". That was in an interview and the israely media watch picked up on it, I belive it was broadcast on aljazeera like a year ago. He stopped short of saying we must kill the christians. I do not mean to offend anyone, but I have studied this in chruch on webdsday nights, we do current events and study how the lead to the end times. Islam is a religion of hate, they are bread to kill, it says that the world will not end until the muslems kill the jews and idoleters, they are trained ot kill anyone who has a different view then them, but especially the jews. A child's soccer game in israel for palestinian kids is named after a suicide bomber. This sutff is screwed up, and it needs to be taken care of now. Saddam was paying the families of suicide bombers in israel, who happens to be our ally. Also did you hear about the chemical rounds found in iraq recently? They were filled with serin gas, now how do one or 2 rounds with that in it just appear? They do not make it like that. There is obviously a stock pile. Now where is that pile?? The media did not go into much detail about the gas, infact the liberal media agenda setting really down played it, which does not supprise me. But this is the tip of the ice burg. Also, another reason why we went in, because saddam had a treaty with us. He had one with the un but also a seice fire with us, which he violated. He shot at our planes daily in the no fly zone too. Clinton finaly went in with desert fox, which did absolutly nothing. It was about damn time we did something. We can't leave yet, we can turn the government over to them, but our forces need to stay to maintain stability till the new government can take control. Hammaus is going to kill the jews no matter what unless they get killed first. I find it amazing that israel is always made out to be the bad guy, these people want to kill them, they are bread to do so, would you sit there and try to make peace with them when they do not have any intention to aggree and keep blowing up your busses? My ideal foreign policy would be guns for the jews shoes for the muslems living in israel because they want to kill the jews. The muslems who say islam is a religion of peice are obviously not devout.

[Daniel T]

Think what you want, Peo, but I think George Bush has brainwashed you into believing whatever he says. And the media, too. In my opinion, this looks somewhat like a dictatorship, but that's just my point of view.

[PeOfEo]

The elite media has a liberal slant through agenda setting, how could it influence me to believe this way. Also that stuff I talked about, soccer game, cleric, was not broadcast in the states, it was in israel, I was watching tapes from an israely news source. You should look at their media, it gives you a very different perspective. George bush has not brainwashed crap, he has simply done the right thing by going into iraq and afganistan now. Little kids, palestinian kids, are encouraged to kill them selves, jump in front of israely tanks, that is if the cannot get explosives, to make the israelys look bad. Arafat himself is a terrorist, he lead the plo for God's sake. They are on of the most notorious terrorist organizations ever. If this is going on now, look 10 years down the road. In the next 10 years there is going to be an influx of terrorism if we do not do something about it. This war helped, it pissed people off, but it helped in a very real way, and more action is needed. We need to get the palestinians out of israel I think. It is never going to happen, but it needs to, it is vital.

[pyro]

Originally posted by Daniel T
Think what you want, Peo, but I think George Bush has brainwashed you into believing whatever he says. And the media, too.Lol... You think the media is on George Bush's side? No, the (liberal) media is trying their best to get a liberal president elected.

[Daniel T]

Originally posted by pyro
Lol... You think the media is on George Bush's side? No, the (liberal) media is trying their best to get a liberal president elected.
Well, from all I've heard on the news up here in Canada, I haven't heard but praise for Bush. I personally still think he is a dumbass.

[The Cheat]

How about expanding upon what you have said and tell us why you think he's an idiot? :rolleyes:

[kosmicdj]

i liked reagan as pres. clinton was good too. :D

[Daniel T]

Originally posted by The Cheat
How about expanding upon what you have said and tell us why you think he's an idiot? :rolleyes:
He has gone about the Iraq situation all wrong. The reason he went to war with Iraq was in an attempt to finish what his father had started. If that wasn't the reason, he didn't have one at all. The weapons of mass destruction claims, in my eyes, were an excuse, as they had no valid evidence that Iraq did infact posess them. And they were mad that Canada chose not to acompany them on their little invasion party? Ha, I think that was the best decision Jean Chretien ever made! We aren't going to help the man who's going to destroy part of the earth for no apparent reason. Then after that, he was whining and *****ing and saying that he wouldn't allow us(Canada) to help rebuild Iraq. Sounds like he isn't too keen on helping Iraq out after all. And now I think they've done enough damage, yet they still aren't leaving. They are just making Iraq's economy even worse by being there. What ever gave the US power to make all the decisions? Or not even the US, but simply George Bush. That spells out BRAINWASHING DICTATORSHIP.

[Sam]

just a note: Greg (http://www.airbag.ca/archives/003063.php) wrote a little something about this whole situation (the Reagan situation, not the Bush one). On a side note, I would be voting for Bush come November, but I'm at the perfect age for the draft (which Bush is reinstating), so I think I'll be going for Kerry instead.

[Sam]

Originally posted by Daniel T
The reason he went to war with Iraq was in an attempt to finish what his father had started. If that wasn't the reason, he didn't have one at all.
Of course he had a reason... His family makes millions of dollars every day we are at war with Iraq.

[DaveSW]

Just for the record Peo, the Muslim religion is also supposed to be one of love. Whilst this doesn't fit in too well with the infighting they have at the moment between different groups, don't forget that Northern Ireland is two groups of Christians doing their best to kill each other... There are extremists in any religion.

[PeOfEo]

Originally posted by DaveSW
Just for the record Peo, the Muslim religion is also supposed to be one of love. Whilst this doesn't fit in too well with the infighting they have at the moment between different groups, don't forget that Northern Ireland is two groups of Christians doing their best to kill each other... There are extremists in any religion. North ireland is a bunch of peagans. The devout muslems are supposed to kill, but the devout christians are not. North ireland is a pretty sick situation. But islamic extremeists, or rather devout muslems are brought up to kill the jews, and idoleters (christians). I find that scary. Thats why we need to take out the groups who will ac t on that and eliminate the problem asap before it gets bigger.

[PeOfEo]

Originally posted by Sam
Of course he had a reason... His family makes millions of dollars every day we are at war with Iraq. prove it. As a country we have not made a dime in Iraq. Money is no motive. How on earth can you think bush is making a profit from Iraq? There is absolutly no way he could do so. I bet you are going to say this war is about oil, even if Iraq did start pumping this very day, it would not lower our gas prices or put more money in a united states oil man's pocket because we do not have enough refineries, that is why gas prices are so high. Us not going into iraq would have been a bigger money motivater, the french and germans and their secret deals. Oil for food program.

[PeOfEo]

Originally posted by Sam
just a note: Greg (http://www.airbag.ca/archives/003063.php) wrote a little something about this whole situation (the Reagan situation, not the Bush one). On a side note, I would be voting for Bush come November, but I'm at the perfect age for the draft (which Bush is reinstating), so I think I'll be going for Kerry instead. NO bush is not going to draft anyone. The draft comes into congress every once and a while the bill comes up. I doubt it will be passed. Also that draft bill does not mean a draft will be used, it just putsit there incase of dire need, such as ww2.

[Sam]

http://www.google.com/search?q=The+Carlyle+Group
Odd isn't it, that Bush Sr. is the Senior Advisor of the Carlyle group (AKA, a group investing on the war on terror)... Unfortunately for them, if we hadn't have fought in Iraq, they would be making a lot less money.

[Sam]

Originally posted by PeOfEo
NO bush is not going to draft anyone. The draft comes into congress every once and a while the bill comes up. I doubt it will be passed. Also that draft bill does not mean a draft will be used, it just putsit there incase of dire need, such as ww2.
In that case, its quite odd that my next door neighbor has recently been hired as the commisioner of the draft board, isn't it? Based on previous wars, we don't hire draft board officals unless there's gonna be a draft.
BTW, my neighbor suggested I go to college in Canada

[PeOfEo]

Originally posted by Daniel T
He has gone about the Iraq situation all wrong. and how would kerry do it? how would you do it better, you are quick to say he did it wrong, but give me a better way. The reason he went to war with Iraq was in an attempt to finish what his father had started. If that wasn't the reason, he didn't have one at all. The weapons of mass destruction claims, in my eyes, were an excuse, as they had no valid evidence that Iraq did infact posess them. Watch the freaken news. They found shells resently with serin gas. Where do you think that came from? There are still stock piles it is just a matter of finding them. Do you think serin is produced on a shell by shell bases, hell no. Also that weapons of mass distruction was intended to rally the people, but the better reason for why we went to war was because saddam hussane was playing games with us. He payed palestinian suicided bomber families, he had training camps operating openly in north iraq (he had knowledge of them clearly, did he shut them down no), he violated our seice fire countless, he through inspecters out, he has bullistic missiles and alsammoud2 (sp?) missiles (violation of our treaty and the un's treaty), this guy clearly needed to be removed, this was should have gone down under clinton, but he did not want to do it because bush senior went into iraq and his party mates would have hated him for it, it was all political with clinton he was not interested in the good of the country, only his own gane and making his party look good while the other looks bad saying that he wouldn't allow us(Canada) to help rebuild Iraq. Sounds like he isn't too keen on helping Iraq out after all. so canda could get glory, 'oh look at canada look what they have done for iraq', you did not spill your blood. Beleive me we have ours and iraqs best interest in mind, that is why we deposed saddam. And now I think they've done enough damage, yet they still aren't leaving. what happens on july 1st? iraq is sovern. If they want us out they can order us out at that date.What ever gave the US power to make all the decisions? Or not even the US, but simply George Bush. That spells out BRAINWASHING DICTATORSHIP. 'dictator ship', bah, you compare america, a capitalist country to his regime, you are ht eone who has been brainwashed by the liberal elite media of your country. What gave him the right, lets see, HE WAS VIOLATING OUT TREATIES, HE HAS PLAYING GAMES WITH US. HE WAS PAYING OFF THE FAMILIES OF SUICIDE BUMBERS IN ISRAEL, AN INCENTIVE FOR THEM TO ATTACK OUR ALLY. Would you just assume we turn out heads while israel has restaurants, homes, malls, and busses blown up by suicide bombers? Israel our ally? Israel is home to many us citizens, dual citizens. IUt was formed by the british, but many of our jews left for over there. We care about israel bud.

[PeOfEo]

Originally posted by Sam
In that case, its quite odd that my next door neighbor has recently been hired as the commisioner of the draft board, isn't it? Based on previous wars, we don't hire draft board officals unless there's gonna be a draft.
BTW, my neighbor suggested I go to college in Canada oh come on. We do not even need a draft right now. We have men comeing home from iraq. Iraq will govern its self on the first and our forces are trickleing home. Are you kidding? We have reserves and guardsmen home right now anyway.

[Sam]

People are coming back from Iraq because its almost time for an election, and the good ol' boys coming home does wonders for an approval rating. Luckily for all us 20-somethings, after November, Bush's approval rating doesn't matter any more.
Note:
I'm not quite a 20-something yet.

[PeOfEo]

Originally posted by Sam
http://www.google.com/search?q=The+Carlyle+Group
Odd isn't it, that Bush Sr. is the Senior Advisor of the Carlyle group (AKA, a group investing on the war on terror)... Unfortunately for them, if we hadn't have fought in Iraq, they would be making a lot less money. Of course they would invest in the war, if they support it. Wouldn't you invest in something you believe in? If they wanted money they could find a more luctritive way to make it. This war was not motivated by economic desires. If Gore were president and proposed this war, they would still invest in it.

[PeOfEo]

Originally posted by Sam
People are coming back from Iraq because its almost time for an election, and the good ol' boys coming home does wonders for an approval rating. Luckily for all us 20-somethings, after November, Bush's approval rating doesn't matter any more.
Note:
I'm not quite a 20-something yet. Hahaha First the democrats try to slam bush for the job situation and downplay a successful war. Now that we have jobs they are just searching for anything they can grab on to. Soldiers still vote even if they are over seas. Do you think the men in guantonimo did not have a vote in the last election? The guys serving our contry do not have a say? Certainly Not! Bushes approval rating might go up a tad when a ship enters the port and the media covers it. Oh wait, the liberal media does not, that is called agenda setting. Bush is bringing our troops home because the government in iraq will soon be sovern and be able to muster its own forces. Though we will still be there for stability for a bit, they have control and will be able to take care of themselves a bit more.

[zachzach]

You Iraq keeps saying we are oppressinbg them? I think we should go "ok", and just leave the country and let them deal with their own problems. Of course, then some warlord would take over and they would go back into their Saddam Hussain years, and then blame it on us. Damn dirty polotics.
Lol

[Sam]

Originally posted by PeOfEo
Of course they would invest in the war, if they support it. Wouldn't you invest in something you believe in? If they wanted money they could find a more luctritive way to make it. This war was not motivated by economic desires. If Gore were president and proposed this war, they would still invest in it.
But wait... they didn't invest in the war after it was proposed (thats not very profitable), They invested in late 2000 before 9/11, before the chance of a war (did anything else significant happen around that time?).

[Sam]

Originally posted by PeOfEo
Hahaha First the democrats try to slam bush for the job situation and downplay a successful war. Now that we have jobs they are just searching for anything they can grab on to. Soldiers still vote even if they are over seas. Do you think the men in guantonimo did not have a vote in the last election? The guys serving our contry do not have a say? Certainly Not! Bushes approval rating might go up a tad when a ship enters the port and the media covers it. Oh wait, the liberal media does not, that is called agenda setting. Bush is bringing our troops home because the government in iraq will soon be sovern and be able to muster its own forces. Though we will still be there for stability for a bit, they have control and will be able to take care of themselves a bit more.
Since when am I a democrat? I vote based on merit. I would have voted for Bush in 2000 (if I were old enough), but I no longer feel I could do that and have a soul. Generally speaking, I'm a republican. I've voted about 80% republican, but I just don't think that voting on party lines is as important as voting on moral lines.

[PeOfEo]

And there as no motive for war beofre 9/11? Saddam still was payin the families of suicide bombers in israel. Our embassies were still being bombed, there was the whole cole thing under clinton. Iraq still violated our seice fire. We were still having issues with terrorism and with saddam hussane. Before 9/11 it would not have been a full scale war. But If 9/11 never happened I bet there would still have been military action in afganistan and probably some bombings of iraq because they were screwing with us none the less.

[PeOfEo]

Originally posted by Sam
Since when am I a democrat? I vote based on merit. I would have voted for Bush in 2000 (if I were old enough), but I no longer feel I could do that and have a soul. Generally speaking, I'm a republican. I've voted about 80% republican, but I just don't think that voting on party lines is as important as voting on moral lines. you certainly have been picking up some liberal views and watching the liberal news. Becuase you have fallen victem to the agenda setting. You hear half the truth. I do not only watch fox news, I watch cnn, and I get news from israely news sources to get their perspective of what happens there. I like to know what is happening.

[PeOfEo]

Originally posted by zachzach
You Iraq keeps saying we are oppressinbg them? I think we should go "ok", and just leave the country and let them deal with their own problems. Of course, then some warlord would take over and they would go back into their Saddam Hussain years, and then blame it on us. Damn dirty polotics.
Lol thats part of hte reason they will be governing themselves in less then a month from now. They will be officially ruling them selves, so people can't say we are ruling them and we are an empire.

[Sam]

I watch Fox News (except for O'Reilly), I read Drudge (http://drudgereport.com/), and I listen to Rush. Please tell me where the "liberal media" has caused me to fall victim to "agenda setting" (and please try to avoid using those buzzwords)

[PeOfEo]

I like the buzz words. The reason i say so is because you are absessed witht his war being about money. That is the bs I see on cnn. 'This war is all about oil' was all they were saying for a while a while back and it pissed me off because that is the most far from the truth. I like rush but Neal Boortz is better. He pisses me off, but he is funny. Also why I thought you were one of those cnn viewers is because the carlyle group is not big news, and it sounds like agenda setting, cnn would be the place to play that up like so major corruption and scandal, just like they played up enron, and Cheneys involvement in halaburton back in the day and halaburton wins the bid in iraq.

[Sam]

Nonetheless, I fail to see where my liberal influece is... All my news I get from Fox (which is the only news channel I get, or drudge and rush, both of which are quite conservative. The only reason you seem to think I have a liberal influence is due to the fact that our opinions differ. This is largely do to the fact that I due a little research rather than regurgitate everything Sean Hannity has to say.

[pyro]

I assume you've also researched Kerry, then? If you really think he's a better choice then Bush, then that's your thing.

[Sam]

Of course I've researched Kerry. I realize he's not that much better, and he's got a shoddy past, but I am relatively certain that he will get us out of Iraq (which I highly doubt Bush will do)
Edit: Spelling

[PeOfEo]

Originally posted by Sam
Of course I've researched Kerry. I realize he's not that much better, and he's got a shoddy past, but I am relatively certain that he will get us out of Iraq (which I highly doubt Bush will do)
Edit: Spelling How did you find out about the carlyle group btw? I would epect agenda setting by fox (yes a buzz word) to stop that from getting played up. Spin can go either way of course.

Kerry has no opinion on anything from what I have seen. How would kerry have done the war? How would he have handled the whole iraq situation? Don't say he would not have gone to war, because remember he supported it.

What happens on July first, oh yea, Iraq govern's its self. So bush is not giving the power back to iraq eh? What about the plan of leaving, the transfer of power. They have been planning that and working on that all along and it is beginning to be executed. Now you say he is not going to let iraq take over?

[Sam]

Kerry wouldn't have had to "handle the war", because Gore wouldn't have gotten us into it. I found out about the Carlyle group because I was doing a research paper for school on George Bush Jr., and I had a few pages on George Bush Sr.
On a side note, Fox is the most conservative news medium there is, Any "agenda setting" does not favor liberals

[PeOfEo]

exactly my point. If you only watched fox then you would have never found out about it, thats my point. I have heard of it but it is not even big huge news on cnn, just a blerb about it. None of the major media outlets seem to smell a wiff of coruption. If there was cnn would be on it like stink on poo.

Gore wouldn't have gone to war, your right about that. That would be a huge mistake. Shakeing his fist instead of handleing problems. Actually gore probably would have gone into afganistan I think, but he would have paniced first. Gore would be a pretty weak leader. One nice thing about bush is that he is a strong leader. He is not a great speaker, but he certainly is strong. I think his father was a better president of course. I would have voted with mccain if I could, I like mccain more then anyone. Hes also the closest guy to being a moderate... which is why he did not win the nomination in the last election.

[The Cheat]

Originally posted by DaveSW
Just for the record Peo, the Muslim religion is also supposed to be one of love. Whilst this doesn't fit in too well with the infighting they have at the moment between different groups, don't forget that Northern Ireland is two groups of Christians doing their best to kill each other... There are extremists in any religion.
The Muslim religion is not about love. They teach their children to hate Americans, to hate Jews, to hate Christians. Ask any Christian convert who is an X-Muslim. They'll tell you all about it and what is was like growing up Islam. Compare the teachings of Jesus and Mohammad. Jesus said to love your enemies. Mohammad said to kill people who won't convert to islam.


One of the main things is this;

According to Christianity, you can have a personal, intimate relationship with God and you can be sure of your salvation that you are going to heaven.

According to Islam, you can't have a personal relationship with God and you can't be sure that you are going to heaven. The only way you can be sure you are going to heaven is if you kill yourself while in the process of killing a Jew or Christian.

Hence why Muslim extremists are suicide bombers and why Christian extremists are not suicide bombers, but love their enemies and do good to those who persecute them.

[PeOfEo]

http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/mine/view_islam.htm
http://www.jsm.org/html/feb02/e2.htm

[The Cheat]

Originally posted by Daniel T
He has gone about the Iraq situation all wrong. The reason he went to war with Iraq was in an attempt to finish what his father had started. If that wasn't the reason, he didn't have one at all. The weapons of mass destruction claims, in my eyes, were an excuse, as they had no valid evidence that Iraq did infact posess them. And they were mad that Canada chose not to acompany them on their little invasion party? Ha, I think that was the best decision Jean Chretien ever made! We aren't going to help the man who's going to destroy part of the earth for no apparent reason. Then after that, he was whining and *****ing and saying that he wouldn't allow us(Canada) to help rebuild Iraq. Sounds like he isn't too keen on helping Iraq out after all. And now I think they've done enough damage, yet they still aren't leaving. They are just making Iraq's economy even worse by being there. What ever gave the US power to make all the decisions? Or not even the US, but simply George Bush. That spells out BRAINWASHING DICTATORSHIP.
You've got to be kidding! Saddam was the dictatorship! He freaking tortured his own people!!! You didn't hear much about this though because of the liberal media. In the past Saddam has used chemical weapons on his own people! It was also common for him to torture his people by cutting off their hands, hanging them, and other gruesome acts. Saddam commited his first murder when he was 10 years old. The world is definitely a safer place without him.

[Daniel T]

Originally posted by The Cheat
You've got to be kidding! Saddam was the dictatorship! He freaking tortured his own people!!! You didn't hear much about this though because of the liberal media. In the past Saddam has used chemical weapons on his own people! It was also common for him to torture his people by cutting off their hands, hanging them, and other gruesome acts. Saddam commited his first murder when he was 10 years old. The world is definitely a safer place without him.
Where in there did I say that Sadam wasn't a dictator??? Of course what he did was horrible, and I am completely against it. However I stand by what I said before. And I don't know crap about Kerry, but if he's as bad as Bush, I would be scared for the future of the United States.

[PeOfEo]

Originally posted by Daniel T
Where in there did I say that Sadam wasn't a dictator??? Of course what he did was horrible, and I am completely against it. However I stand by what I said before. And I don't know crap about Kerry, but if he's as bad as Bush, I would be scared for the future of the United States. http://www.webdeveloper.com/forum/showthread.php?postid=199525 eh hem, look at what I said here. That is why we needed to go to war. Ill copy it here
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Originally posted by Daniel T
He has gone about the Iraq situation all wrong. and how would kerry do it? how would you do it better, you are quick to say he did it wrong, but give me a better way. The reason he went to war with Iraq was in an attempt to finish what his father had started. If that wasn't the reason, he didn't have one at all. The weapons of mass destruction claims, in my eyes, were an excuse, as they had no valid evidence that Iraq did infact posess them. Watch the freaken news. They found shells resently with serin gas. Where do you think that came from? There are still stock piles it is just a matter of finding them. Do you think serin is produced on a shell by shell bases, hell no. Also that weapons of mass distruction was intended to rally the people, but the better reason for why we went to war was because saddam hussane was playing games with us. He payed palestinian suicided bomber families, he had training camps operating openly in north iraq (he had knowledge of them clearly, did he shut them down no), he violated our seice fire countless, he through inspecters out, he has bullistic missiles and alsammoud2 (sp?) missiles (violation of our treaty and the un's treaty), this guy clearly needed to be removed, this was should have gone down under clinton, but he did not want to do it because bush senior went into iraq and his party mates would have hated him for it, it was all political with clinton he was not interested in the good of the country, only his own gane and making his party look good while the other looks bad saying that he wouldn't allow us(Canada) to help rebuild Iraq. Sounds like he isn't too keen on helping Iraq out after all. so canda could get glory, 'oh look at canada look what they have done for iraq', you did not spill your blood. Beleive me we have ours and iraqs best interest in mind, that is why we deposed saddam. And now I think they've done enough damage, yet they still aren't leaving. what happens on july 1st? iraq is sovern. If they want us out they can order us out at that date.What ever gave the US power to make all the decisions? Or not even the US, but simply George Bush. That spells out BRAINWASHING DICTATORSHIP. 'dictator ship', bah, you compare america, a capitalist country to his regime, you are ht eone who has been brainwashed by the liberal elite media of your country. What gave him the right, lets see, HE WAS VIOLATING OUT TREATIES, HE HAS PLAYING GAMES WITH US. HE WAS PAYING OFF THE FAMILIES OF SUICIDE BUMBERS IN ISRAEL, AN INCENTIVE FOR THEM TO ATTACK OUR ALLY. Would you just assume we turn out heads while israel has restaurants, homes, malls, and busses blown up by suicide bombers? Israel our ally? Israel is home to many us citizens, dual citizens. IUt was formed by the british, but many of our jews left for over there. We care about israel bud.
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[The Cheat]

I seriously think the world is raising up my generation to be a bunch of communists

[PeOfEo]

Originally posted by The Cheat
I seriously think the world is raising up my generation to be a bunch of communists flag burners*

[DaveSW]

Originally posted by The Cheat
The Muslim religion is not about love. They teach their children to hate Americans, to hate Jews, to hate Christians. Ask any Christian convert who is an X-Muslim. They'll tell you all about it and what is was like growing up Islam.

I'm not saying that Muslims don't hate us. I'm saying that their Koran tells them to love us. There are commandments in the Koran to 'love the people of the book' i.e. Christians.

There are commandments in the Bible to 'love our enemies'. Do WE? Do WE obey the commands that supposedly make us better than them? The answer is NO.

Have you ever asked any Christians who have become Muslims what it's like? What happens to them in America and the UK is not something I would condone. Personally I would say we are brought up to hate Muslims - look at all the racism that goes on. Then tell me we're better than them.

I know a number of Muslims. They aren't suicide bombers. They are respectable people, often with good jobs. The extremist Islamic teachers on TV do not represent all the others.

Also the people fighting in Northern Ireland are not Pagans. One lot are Catholics, the others Protestants, fighting in the name of Christianity, using bombs and killing each other. That's not something I'm proud of.

[PeOfEo]

Originally posted by DaveSW
I'm not saying that Muslims don't hate us. I'm saying that their Koran tells them to love us. There are commandments in the Koran to 'love the people of the book' i.e. Christians.

There are commandments in the Bible to 'love our enemies'. Do WE? Do WE obey the commands that supposedly make us better than them? The answer is NO.

Have you ever asked any Christians who have become Muslims what it's like? What happens to them in America and the UK is not something I would condone. Personally I would say we are brought up to hate Muslims - look at all the racism that goes on. Then tell me we're better than them.

I know a number of Muslims. They aren't suicide bombers. They are respectable people, often with good jobs. The extremist Islamic teachers on TV do not represent all the others.

Also the people fighting in Northern Ireland are not Pagans. One lot are Catholics, the others Protestants, fighting in the name of Christianity, using bombs and killing each other. That's not something I'm proud of. the koran explicitly says that the jews and idoleters (christians) must be killed and that the world will not end until this takes place. I will look get the verses and post them tomorrow if you wish, I just need to ask my brother. There are tons though. Read the links I posted earlier: This one is the better of the two
http://www.jsm.org/html/feb02/e2.htm. The devout muslems act on this, whereas the devout christians are loving.

Many are trying to make the American people think that nearly all Muslims are peace loving individuals and, as stated, that their religion is one of peace and love, etc. They claim that the fanatics who are responsible for the destruction of the World Trade Center and part of the Pentagon, the crash of the airplane in Western Pennsylvania, plus scores of other terrorist acts around the world are a minority.

That is grossly untrue as well!

While, of course, all Muslims aren’t murderers, the truth is that they are associated with a religion which leads to murder and mayhem in the worst way. The same can be said for the Mafia.

Every person associated with the Mafia is not a murderer, but they are definitely associated with an organization of which the end result, is in one way or the other, murder. It is the identical situation with Islam.

Muslims hate Christianity. In fact, they hate Christianity more than they do any other Faith or religion in the world. There is a reason for that!

Christianity is the only Faith in the world that is a threat to Islam. In fact, as it regards the True Gospel of Jesus Christ, and that Gospel preached with the Power and the Anointing of the Holy Spirit, there is absolutely nothing that can stand before such a Message. That’s at least one of the reasons why no Muslim country will allow Christianity in any capacity to be proclaimed. Islam cannot stand up to such competition and reasons why should be obvious!

Whether we realize it or not, or whether we understand it or not, the war in which we are now engaged is a religious war. None of us want it to be that way, but despite what we want, that’s exactly what it is.

It is impossible to oppose Islamic terrorism, without at the same time waging war against the religion of Islam. Terrorism and the religion of Islam are one and the same; consequently, to oppose one is to oppose the other.

Ok here are some

"Unbelievers are those that say: 'God is the Messiah, the son of Mary.' For the Messiah himself said: 'Children of Israel, serve God, my Lord and your Lord.' He that worships other deities besides God, God will deny him Paradise, and the Fire shall be his home. None shall help the evil-doers. Unbelievers are those that say: 'God is one of three.' There is but one God. If they do not desist from so saying, those of them that disbelieve shall be sternly punished." The Table #71-

"When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield strike off their heads and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly. Then grant them their freedom or take a ransom from them, until War has laid down her burdens."
Muhammad (47) #4
http://amalid.com/Islam/
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/3425/page169.htm

read this, it is good too
http://www.jesuswasaterrorist.com/a_religion_of_peace.htm

[DaveSW]

[i]The devout muslems act on this, whereas the devout christians are loving.
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Yes there are verses going both ways. I'm not denying it, just telling you you're taking a biased viewpoint. But I would point out that most of the verses about killing Christians are in context of the end times. If you turn to revelation you will find the Christian equivalents where everyone who is not Christian gets killed.

[PeOfEo]

Originally posted by DaveSW
Yes there are verses going both ways. I'm not denying it, just telling you you're taking a biased viewpoint. But I would point out that most of the verses about killing Christians are in context of the end times. If you turn to revelation you will find the Christian equivalents where everyone who is not Christian gets killed. No, everyone completely gets killed. Its the appocolyps. It is not saying that the chritians need to kill the arabs though. Infact the christians will be the ones to get killed in the end times, the christians will be murdered during the 7 year tribulation period because the anti christ will lead (that is the chritians who are not raptured out, but the ones who become christian after the rapture). Its quite different. Not one time does the bible encourage a christian to hate or murder, both would be a sin against God. The bible would not contradict its self like that. Its encourages christians to witness, messianic jews will play a big part, they will witness in the streets. Read the last link I posted, that will cover your varying view point question.

This thread has taken quite a turn. Reagan -> war in iraq -> islam and christianity. We are into religious disgussian. I can just see this becomeing more then a civil disgussian. Perhaps we should continue on aim or pm or just aggree to disagree?

[DaveSW]

Originally posted by PeOfEo
No, everyone completely gets killed.
Except the good christians who get translated before the event.

I think we'll just agree to disagree. I've got a Maths exam tomorrow and I'm not looking forward to it.

[PeOfEo]

lol what time is it there. Its 5:30am here, I pulled an all nighter. Yuck. I am glad it is summer.

Well Ill let you have that last word. I just think this could turn into a nasty arguement if other people jump into our disgussian. I am sure there are muslem members of board who will get their toes stepped on, and christians and jews who will have their stepped on too.

[DaveSW]

it's 10:51 here. I've only just got up actually lol.

[PeOfEo]

heh, ok I am going to bed.