I don't have enough room to say everything

[marissam]

I don't my website cluttered..Like on the music section..
I feel like telling people to download winamp if they can't download the mp3's but I have more important things to talk about...
I wish I could get someone to make another page..
but they can't even find the font..and the guy who did my site..
is gone from the scene.


www.marissamarchant.com/about.html

[sharkey]

Well i dont know the font but someone around here or maybe another forum will able to tell you which font it it.

People do not like cluttered pages as they are hard for readibility like you say the only way to go would be to add another page.

[marissam]

something with my site, the web developer who wasn't the original guy, said that he may not be able to find the correct font or lettering.
what do you think,??? marissa


www.marissamarchant.com

[marissam]

You had all those links to webdevelopers.
I am not sure what to do from here.

[zingmatter]

Whoever did your page left a real mess. The html is all over the place and the list of songs don't link to anything.

If you're not familiar with html then you'll need to get someone to fix your pages.

My guess is the main text font is Verdana, the 'singer/songwriter/..' is a graphic (possibly Gill Sans MT), the main logo (also a graphic, font Impact) and menu (graphic too, font also Impact).

I've had a go at splitting you music page into 3 files (attached in a single zipped file). This will break the content up a little. I would still think about paying someone to fix it all properly (it's not a big job).

Hope this helps

[PeOfEo]

Maybe its time for a forums.webdeveloper.com charity total site revamp. This site needs a css layout.

[metaxlog]

if you can't really get the font, and need more space to put everything you have to say then you should defenately consider getting a new page. For a 150 dollars i can build a new page for you. Put all you have in there right now, and anything else you need to show. Plus, I can make a nicer page, since that one is way out of date.

How I work, you don't have any comitment. I develop a demo for you and if you like it, then you buy it. If not. I find another prospect buyer. It's as simple as that. Mail me at metaxlog@yahoo.com if you are interested. You can atract way more people with a more proffesional design. Check my desings by viewing the links in my signature. Take a look at the last two, they have pretty nice graphics.

At your service!

[PeOfEo]

Originally posted by metaxlog
if you can't really get the font, and need more space to put everything you have to say then you should defenately consider getting a new page. For a 150 dollars i can build a new page for you. Put all you have in there right now, and anything else you need to show. Plus, I can make a nicer page, since that one is way out of date.

How I work, you don't have any comitment. I develop a demo for you and if you like it, then you buy it. If not. I find another prospect buyer. It's as simple as that. Mail me at metaxlog@yahoo.com if you are interested. You can atract way more people with a more proffesional design. Check my desings by viewing the links in my signature. Take a look at the last two, they have pretty nice graphics.

At your service! :rolleyes:
Tabular layouts without doc types.
http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A//www.eddysapplianceservices.com/
http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A//www.j-kpainting.com/

[metaxlog]

hello? did you see how much i said i was charging for a complete new desing? Oviously it mustlack somethiing. But what it lacks is not even because i don't know how to get it done, i could get that site to validate in ten minutes; and i will. Then you'll give me some fight about css and tables, but heck; the site works fine, gets the point across, and doesn't show any errors. Plus validation is not a customer thing, is a designer's thing.

A customer only cares about having a nice looking web page that shows the content in a good manner and gets them more business. Customers don't know about valitation, or even css. They just know about clicking around and finding what they would like their own customers to find.

If the lady wants a valid page, I can do that as well at no extra charge ;) just mail me and lets talk. If she wants xhtml then that's another business. It takes more time, more hours, way more money. and pages looks the same :p

I will make those two pages valid though. I do maintainance for those pages, and web hosting as well. So i'll take the time next month and i'll validate them, to make some people happy. :D

[Paul Jr]

Do it right the first time and charge more; having low prices is no excuse for sub-par work.

If you can do it right then there is no reason to do it wrong just because it’s cheaper. Do it right and charge what you need to. All you’re doing now is creating invalid, inaccessible, bloated pages — there is no advantage.

Bottom line: do it right, charge what you need to charge; don’t do sub-par work just because it costs less and you think customers don’t care. They will care if a person with a disability sues them because they cannot access the site.

[metaxlog]

disability? :rolleyes: i don't get it. I did read the clause about doing valid pages. But i thought everybody that can see, could see a page, valid or not.

As i said, i can do valid pages. It's not a huge problem. I just didn't mind much before. I'll start validating all my new pages from now on. Just to make everyone happy:)

I've never seen someone sue a site for not being valid. I bet that 90% of the sites on the internet won't validate. But hey, if we're going to be designers we better do it the right way. I'll validate her page if she really wants me to work on it.I'm not against validation.

Tell later!!

[Paul Jr]

People with disabilities use the internet. Some have poor eyesight, some have no eyesight. I’ve never heard of anyone who has gotten sued, but it’s always a possibility. What I have heard of is people losing a large percentage of their visitors because they have an inaccessible, poorly coded website. The URL escapes me at the moment, but it was a fairly hot news topic (among designers/in blogs) a week (weeks?) or so ago.


And if you can do it right, then why do you even bother doing it wrong? If you can create clean, valid, semantic designs, then why aren’t you? I see no reason why you should do sub-par work when you say you can do it correctly.

[zingmatter]

Access for the disabled (while definitely something that should be actively encouraged) is not the main reason for making pages valid for your clients. They may indeed use IE and see a great looking site but maybe 30% of their customers see utter rubbish. This will damage your client's reputation, sales, and whatever else. This will ultimately reflect on you. For every 1000 visitors to that site up to 300 people see a mess. That's a lot of missed customers.

As a paid developer you are a professional and have a duty of care to make the best product you can.

[metaxlog]

Hi, I'm just starting to work at web desing and I am just a self tought html designer. Every time something like this happens to me, well i learn and get better. I didn't take validation real serious because some huge businesses online don't pass the validation check.

I ran a test on yahoo and ebay, and they don't validate. They have many, many, validation errors. Check it out:

Yahoo Validation Results (http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.yahoo.com%2F&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=%28detect+automatically%29&verbose=1)

Ebay Validation Results (http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=%28detect+automatically%29&verbose=1)

They are make millions and don't even validate:rolleyes:

I will validate my pages though. I want to do things right, and also be accepted as a develper. So lets validate!!! :)

[zingmatter]

You're right, yahoo's not valid! That's a fair point.

I must admit, not all my stuff validates either although this is sometimes due to stuff like bits of javacript where document.write is spitting out some html fragment and the validator doesn't seem to understand. Must admit this forum is very anal about validation, but I find the best way to get a page to look the same in IE and Netscape is to get it valid (or as close as possible) and that usually does the trick.

Either way, browser compatability is a goal well worth aiming for.
:)

[PeOfEo]

Originally posted by zingmatter
You're right, yahoo's not valid! That's a fair point.

I must admit, not all my stuff validates either although this is sometimes due to stuff like bits of javacript where document.write is spitting out some html fragment and the validator doesn't seem to understand. Must admit this forum is very anal about validation, but I find the best way to get a page to look the same in IE and Netscape is to get it valid (or as close as possible) and that usually does the trick.

Either way, browser compatability is a goal well worth aiming for.
:) if its not valid the browser is in quirks mode, so of course it would run best when valid. Some clients like validity and will not settle for crap, those are the ones who are going to pay top doller for someone who does it right.

[metaxlog]

if its not valid the browser is in quirks mode, so of course it would run best when valid. Some clients like validity and will not settle for crap, those are the ones who are going to pay top doller for someone who does it right.

so what you are saying is that yahoo and ebay are crap?:rolleyes:
and that the desingners that constanly work on those sites make no money? usually customers know nothing about validating, so i bet you'll rarely hear some one say: "hi, I want you to design a web page for my businesss; now the page must be validated or i won't pay a dime for it"

I'm pro-validation ok?

I'm just saying that is more a designer's choice than a customer request. I mean, yahoo doesn't even have a doc-type. Now go and tell them their site is crap. Wait, probably they won't care. They are billioneirs and get more clicks that your valid site and never have been sued about validation or have encounter browser compartibity issues. You do the math.