new machine suggestions?

[drewex]

Hi all,

I need some computer suggestions, I do asp.net programming and some flash designing too. I got my own grafic card for 2 monitors i dont need to change that, but i dont want to build my own either. Im up to all suggestions. And the important thing the price should'nt go over 1500 i guess. thanks all

[PeOfEo]

This would be better suited for the coffee lounge.

Personally I think you should build your own. Its great! Not only can you save a lot of dough, but you learn a whole heck of a lot in the process. You can build a decent gameing quality pc for under 500 bucks.

[Jupac]

You Should Have what i have i made it my self for $980 tax included (how i love on sell items)

MB:
Gigabyte K8NS PRO/ Very good APGx8/400MHZ ram/ 10-100-1000 network dual bois/ nForuce3 chip set etc

CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3200+ @ 2.8 Yes OverClock 400MHZ :D

RAM:

1GB PC3200

Video Card
hmm
I have a
PNY nVIDIA GeForce 5200FX w/ 128MB

now im saving up for
nVIDIA GeForce 6800

HD:
74 GB 10k rpm :D <-- fast :D

[PeOfEo]

is the ram on that dual channel?

If I buy anything more in the future I would save up for a motherboard with dual channel and pci express.

[Jupac]

SI?
OCZ Performance Series 184-Pin 1GB DDR PC-3200 I think


AMD 64 have 1600 FSB :)

[PeOfEo]

tsk tsk. You should be 100% sure about every number in your pc!

---=== Mine ===---
Intel Pentium 4 northwood with 512 l2 cache, 800mhz fsb, 2.6ghg, running stock at the moment, dynamic oc maxes at 3300mhz.

512mb of kingston pc3200 with a cas latency of 2.

motherboard is an msi 848 neo-v. Its on the intel 848 chipset and has onboard SATA.

Video is a nvidea - gainward ti4200 with 128mb of ram.

hard drives: 80gb western digital IDE that spins at 7200rpm
80gb maxtor IDE, 7200rmp
200gb seagate SATA, 7200rpm

optical: hp cdrw, and a bobo 40x cdrom. Nothing special, but then again I never used these two drives, all my games are mounted images.

Power supply is a 400watt aspire.

[Jupac]

You got HT on your p4?


--==I WISH ==--
-.- if im geting a new comp im going Intel

:D Dual Xeon 3.4 HT 800FSB , but its majar $$$
Any one every gamed with Xeon before?
--== ==--



You know a good HSF my cpu is kinda WARM

[drewex]

Hey sorry replying really late.
I didnt get the automatic emails.

I cant build my own i dont have that time and privilege, I have to buy something from dell, Hp , toshiba and so on.. and like i said it cat go over 1500. I dont like Amd, i always had problems with it. I actually have my own grafic card that i can use, bouth it for dual monitor work (best for programming). But im not sure if it ruin the waranty. I dont know which way i should go, but my company wont go for building thats what im sure of.

[PeOfEo]

Originally posted by lakers01
You got HT on your p4?


--==I WISH ==--
-.- if im geting a new comp im going Intel

:D Dual Xeon 3.4 HT 800FSB , but its majar $$$
Any one every gamed with Xeon before?
--== ==--



You know a good HSF my cpu is kinda WARM yes yes and no for amd, but I would go with anything copper and thermal take if you want real cool. Xeon games great. Clock speed isnt as high but the cache is insane. Ht is great, I do have that.

[PeOfEo]

Originally posted by drewex
I have to buy something from dell, Hp , toshiba and so on.. why? If you buy from them you will be getting ripped off. AMD is good, I am an intel man myself, but you cant beat an amd proc for the price. Amd 64 is pretty useless right now unless you are running a server that is optimized for it.

[drewex]

Ok ill go with HT P4 looks like dell has good deals, what about

I actually have my own grafic card that i can use, bougth it for dual monitor work (best for programming). But im not sure if it ruin the waranty

[drewex]

I cannot belewe my company agreed to build the comp. I am shocked.

Now i have to decide a mother board (that has a sound output P4 or xeon supportable )

a intel CPU, dont know which one of caurse,

memory, around 1g i guess
I have a grafic card
what else ?

Ahhh this is going to be great. I need help deciding these, thanks for the help.

[Jupac]

I would go with a P4

[PeOfEo]

Hit them up for a new video card too. You have a bit of a budget so we will not get an x800 or 6800, but you can get a pretty decent motherboard. I will make you a wish list. I still think amd is great if you are running on a very tight budget, but you are not.

Here is my suggestion for a decent work station / server.

http://secure.newegg.com/app/WishList.asp?position=HISTORY&submit=VIEW&ID=963003

It is running dual xeon so it is pricy, but under 1500 bucks. If you need to bring the price down you can move down to p4 or move to amd. If you end up getting a premade system do not get anything with itanium2, I hear it is a huge pain in the butt, its not x86....

Crap I screwed up the wish list. Brb.

[Jupac]

Hurry up with da wish list :D

I might get that...


Heres the plan to get it :D

sell my comp on ebay get ~700 - ~800

use some money wow PWNED :D

[PeOfEo]

http://secure.newegg.com/app/WishList.asp?position=HISTORY&submit=VIEW&ID=963003 here is teh list.

[Jupac]

I only see the case Nick

[PeOfEo]

I see $1,449.98 worth of stuff :o
This is the first time I tried to do this lol.

[Jupac]

You think it use cookies??

[Jupac]

Well 'ne ways try to get Windows Server 2003 if your getin' Dual Xeon

[PeOfEo]

http://secure.newegg.com/app/WishHistoryReview.asp?position=HISTORY&submit=VIEW&ID=963003 ok here we go

[Jupac]

yah GJ nick

--==RAnt==--
ehh ill go with a 3.4 HT xeon with FSB of 800 :D

[PeOfEo]

Originally posted by lakers01
yah GJ nick

--==RAnt==--
ehh ill go with a 3.4 HT xeon with FSB of 800 :D motherboard price would be pretty insane. Newegg doesn't carry 800mhz fsb mobos for xeon either.

[Jupac]

yea thats true..... :(

--==BLOG==--
HT rocks its like have 2 CPUS wow wow and if you have DUAL XEON with HT WOW WOW WOW WOW


I just had a tought

if you want to go AMD get some , AMD Opteron 4 of them

AMD Opteron price range from $150 - $1000

[PeOfEo]

opteron is good for servers because it is x86-64 so if you want to do 64bit aps on a server you can. To run 64bit from intel you have to use itanium2 and itanium2 is crap from what I hear, its not even x86 which makes it a real pain to put up with from what I have read. One source said that it is x86 with all of the best features removed. Xeon has opteron beat on cache, xeon can have up to 4mb of l3 cache and 1mb of l2. I think opteron can only boast 1mb of l2, but I am not sure. But I think to have that high l3 cache on xeon you have to have 512 l2 cache, but it should still perform insanely.

[drewex]

Hey, im still trying to decide a motherboard so i can deside the cpu too. does any one know any thing about this new one. It looks like it has a bunch of new stuff in it?
ASUS "P5GD2 Premium" 915P Chipset Motherboard For Intel LGA 775 CPU -RETAIL
what are the differences about these chipset anyway? and the cpu's they like 3 4 different type of cpu branch's xeon ht, p4, p4th extreme...... im getting really confused.

[PeOfEo]

http://www.asus.com/products/mb/socket775/p5gd2-p/overview.htm

The system model I linked in this thread uses a pretty good motherboard for dual xeon.

I do not like that motherboard you linked too much, its okay I guess, but I would like to see more room for expantion on it. I am sort of loyal to msi boards myself, I buy from them before others. But that is just a personal quirk.

http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=915P_Neo2_Platinum&class=mb the msi equiv to the asus you listed

This is a good board, its not ddr2 or pci express, but its still a good board, gives you a lot more proc flexibility
http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=875p_Neo-FISR&class=mb

http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=925X_Neo_Platinum-54g&class=mb

I probably provided no useful info in this post, I just like to promote my brand :p

[drewex]

Hey i found this link it's kinda usefull to understand the chipsets.
http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets/linecard.htm
900 series looks much better for later on upgrades.

[PeOfEo]

well the 900s are the newer ones. I am on an 848 right now and I support p4 northwood with 533fsb and 800mhz fsb, and prescott with 533 and 800, and ht. But you can see mine is not even on that list.

[drewex]

At last i got a configuration ready, BUT I HAVE PROBLEMS, The mother board is it the right one, will it support the cpu memory .
http://secure.newegg.com/app/WishR.asp?ID=986473

[PeOfEo]

Well the first problem I see is the motherboard supports dual xeon with a 533mhz front side bus. The xeon you picked have an 800mhz front side bus. Drop it down to 533 if you want to keep that motherboard, or pick a motherboard that supports 800mhz front side bus. Another thing I do not like about the motherboard is its lack of ht support. If you bought a xeon with ht you would not be able to use the ht. I mean the processor would still be nice, but that is an extra feature that you can never use. The ram will work with the motherboard just fine.

[drewex]

Thanks for replying so fast:D. Last q. hopefully :p, Do you have any suggestions on the board, i cant find one thats fits the specs with out going up to much, maybe i have to reduce the cpu what do you suggest on this. Thanks. and i think im going to buy from new egg are they good.

[Jupac]

NewEgg is the best

[PeOfEo]

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-129-131&depa=0
Also
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?submit=manufactory&catalog=302&manufactory=1655&DEPA=0&sortby=14&order=1
supermicro has a lot of good xeon boards, I used them in my fantasy pc. The only issue with super micro is their boards are mainly pci-x and many have ddr2. You have an agp card.

[drewex]

I have a pci ati radeon dual output card. Thats why im not getting a new one. The problem is i never heard about these mother boards, thats why i was choosing from gigabyte or asus, is supermicro good, and realized they are few hundred more expensive.( NP, ill lower the cpu, thats the only thing i can i guess) and what about the power and the case are they good enough? thanks for the help by the way. i know im been a pain.

[drewex]

Hey i think this is the last version of it. I had to reduce the cpu to 2.8 so i can get the mother board take a look. Thanks.. OO oo sorry forgot to ask the case it looks bi enough right it will fit right. :rolleyes: :D :) :p
http://secure.newegg.com/app/WishR.asp?ID=1011069