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Click to See Complete Forum and Search --> : Cell phone viewing rhsunderground 09-29-2004, 12:29 AM i just found a tool in opera that allows you to view any site as it would appear on a cell phone browser. just hit shift + f11 in any opera 7 series browser. thought this would be especially helpful in this forum. article can be seen here (http://www.opera.com/products/smartphone/smallscreen/). Robert Wellock 09-29-2004, 01:35 PM Yes, for those who don't know accessibility is also about devices and not just the user. toicontien 09-30-2004, 04:55 PM And in case anyone missed it: Pocket-Sized Design: Taking Your Website to the Small Screen (http://www.alistapart.com/articles/pocket/) at A List Apart (http://www.alistapart.com/). And hitting JUST F11 seems to unload any @import style sheets too, maybe simulating a crappy 4.0 browser. Or just download a crappy 4.0 browser: Netscape Navigator :D Stephen Philbin 09-30-2004, 09:20 PM I've been using the "small" feature on Opera for a good while now. I had no idea what it was at first. Took me a while to put two and two together. I just used it for the first few weeks because I thought it was cool and would be nice to support that feature of Opera. Although I do have another question. What about palm pilots? Don't they have larger screens of a few inches? Any browsers anyone knows of that would display them too? Or are they just the same as mobile phones? MstrBob 09-30-2004, 11:03 PM Are you serious? That's how the website will appear in a cell phone browser? Brilliant! I've used XHTML, and full CSS layout for my website, and it came out beautifully in that. Content at top, all in the right order, underneath links, and under that footer. Not to bad. How much easier good code makes everything! rhsunderground 09-30-2004, 11:14 PM it does make you feel nice, doesn't it? i decided to put an image on my site next to my valid css and html bars that says "SSR Capable." Robert Wellock 10-01-2004, 07:41 AM You have to remember though there are various platforms and vendors and generations so you cannot get the full picture from one or two mobile browsers. XHTML Basic and CSS Mobile Profile is what you should really aim towards if you're serious. rhsunderground 10-01-2004, 10:06 AM Originally posted by Robert Wellock You have to remember though there are various platforms and vendors and generations so you cannot get the full picture from one or two mobile browsers. XHTML Basic and CSS Mobile Profile is what you should really aim towards if you're serious. do you know of any other browsers or perhaps companies that offer tool like this, for comparison? toicontien 10-01-2004, 10:09 AM Originally posted by Robert Wellock You have to remember though there are various platforms and vendors and generations so you cannot get the full picture from one or two mobile browsers. XHTML Basic and CSS Mobile Profile is what you should really aim towards if you're serious. Agreed. My cheap little Nokia cell phone comes with a browser, and the darned thing has a monochromatic display with maybe a 160 X 160 display... maybe. Probably smaller. But I've never tried it out on the Web. Lousy extra $6 a month for crappy cell phone Web access. My roommate has a sweet @$$, full-color flip phone. <rant>I've seen a site I designed for screen, print, and handheld, and the retarded cell phone browser rendered the screen style sheets anyhow.</rant> Fang 10-09-2004, 04:58 AM Also available for FF/Moz. http://disruptive-innovations.com/products/index.html#SSRXPI and a (Dutch) i-mode simulator http://www.wapag.com/index.php?o=trysim DaveSW 10-09-2004, 06:47 AM That dutch one looks good. Is there any chance of getting it in english? I can offer a dmoz listing in my category if there is! Fang 10-09-2004, 07:07 AM It's a site I found, you'll have to ask their webmaster about a translation. This i-mode site builder maybe of interest: http://www.klaasdevriesjr.nl/imode/imode_course.htm (Dutch/English) ;) DaveSW 10-09-2004, 07:13 AM Fang... how do I communicate with their webmaster? :confused: Or is he/she likely to speak English? Fang 10-09-2004, 07:45 AM English should be no problem, the Dutch learn 5 languages at school. I can give you a hand if you run into problems. DaveSW 10-09-2004, 08:44 AM Cheers. 5 languages? Wouldn't it be simpler just to learn English? :D j/k Which languages exactly? Fang 10-09-2004, 09:13 AM Dutch, English, German, French and Latin (optional). Other languages can be included as a further option. DaveSW 10-09-2004, 04:09 PM Maybe I'll send it in English and French, just in case. Ben Rogers 10-09-2004, 04:13 PM That Moz/FF extension didn't work for me. I installed it, it told me to restart, I did, and... nothing. Like it didn't exist. DaveSW 10-09-2004, 04:21 PM what version are you running? when I read the link I thought it only mentionned 0.7 to 0.9, though that could have been all that was available at the date of publishing. Ben Rogers 10-09-2004, 05:14 PM (Mozilla Firefox, 0.7<=v<0.9 needed) GAH! Two times in a row I misread something. I took it to mean that it had to mean 0.7, 0.9 or greater. I'm getting offline now, before I make anymore mistakes. (0.10.1, btw) Robert Wellock 10-15-2004, 07:20 AM Well I knew in Holland they took examination papers written in English but didn't realise they took 5 different I would have thought 3. Shame it doesn't intergrate with the latest version. DaveSW 10-15-2004, 09:17 AM well I emailed in English and French and they replied in perfect English. FYI they intend to translate it - I guess the offer of a DMOZ listing was just too tempting! Fang 10-15-2004, 10:36 AM Robert Wellock At Dutch universities lectures and course work is 80% in English. DaveSW A positive result :D webdeveloper.com
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