(The Complete?) Web Development Guide

[Ben Rogers]

Originally posted by davidbrent
Where's the style sheet importing? You have covered the basics but it is a bit rusty? im sure we can work on it. Well done anyway! His is just an introduction to the basic idea, elaboration comes later.

[davidbrent]

Originally posted by Ben R.
His is just an introduction to the basic idea, elaboration comes later.

but he shows how to connect a page to a stylesheet i was just saying @import is a key factor in this!

[Paul Jr]

Originally posted by davidbrent
but he shows how to connect a page to a stylesheet i was just saying @import is a key factor in this!
If I'm not mistaken, @import is covered in a later section.

[Ben Rogers]

Originally posted by Paul Jr
If I'm not mistaken, @import is covered in a later section. You're correct, not mistaken.

[Mr Initial Man]

Originally posted by davidbrent
Where's the style sheet importing? You have covered the basics but it is a bit rusty? im sure we can work on it. Well done anyway!

I left out @import because I've never heard of it.

It won't be just fresh n00bs who will find this useful...

[Mr Initial Man]

Just wondering how the project's going. Otherwise, I might have to contribute by writing an introduction to Frames.

[Jona]

Originally posted by Mr Initial Man
Just wondering how the project's going.

It died. I give up. Can I take my layout back?

[Paul Jr]

See? Didn't I say this would happen? I did. I said it.

[Ben Rogers]

Originally posted by Paul Jr
See? Didn't I say this would happen? I did. I said it. Shush, you. Why do we have to be such lazy hypocrites? "I'll do this tonight, yuk yuk." If you aren't going to, don't say you are. This project had promise and it died. :mad: :p

MOD EDIT: naughty language. bad ben!

[steelersfan88]

:: watch the lang.
:: nice avatar paul and peo.

[davidbrent]

but the picture of bush makes him look evil!

[steelersfan88]

The picture of Bush just makes it so now I can't id him by his old avatar, and the same for peo.

Any word on Bob ... ?

[Paul Jr]

Originally posted by steelersfan88
:: nice avatar paul and peo.
Oh yeah. :D

Originally posted by davidbrent
but the picture of bush makes him look evil!
Why thank you. :p

Originally posted by steelersfan88
Any word on Bob ... ?
I haven't seen him in YIM for a while. Where did he go?!

[Mr Initial Man]

I've seen him a few times. Not lately, though.

*Sighs.* If I knew HTML and CSS better, I'd try to write the thing myself.

[Ben Rogers]

Originally posted by Paul Jr
I haven't seen him in YIM for a while. Where did he go?! He hides. He's online quite often, just doesn't go on Y. Jee, I wonder why? :p

[MstrBob]

Bob is back. Back again. I haven't stopped work on it. I finished the backend and have been doing some writing. You guys really lost interest? If you have, I'll move it on out. You can take back your design, if you want - it's yours. I'll just put it on my host then. It'll be slower finishing it, I guess, but I'll still get it done.

[rhsunderground]

i'll still write your bio!

[Mr Initial Man]

Well, I haven't lost interest. My reluctance comes from the fact that I know very little about HTML.

[MstrBob]

Well, that's the point of this, eh? Well, you see I finished a backend, something to allow people to view through the guide, and to stream line article creation. But then, I had some issues at work pop up, and this got pushed down the to-do list. But it hasn't died. For me at least. Alright, just so I know where we're going, if you're still interested, Contact me: MonComradeBob@gmail.com or PM me. Just so I know.

[Ben Rogers]

I'm interested. I just don't know what article to do. I never got the go ahead on HTML syntax.

[MstrBob]

You got the go ahead on HTML Syntax. You just never got the motivation to write it.

[Jona]

I'm interested but have been discouraged. The enthusiasm died. The director is the project leader, so when he is not around the project will often fade out of existance. I'm willing to contribute articles on particular techniques and do any designing or programming necessary, but I have to know what needs to be done, when I can help, and how I can contribute in that specific area. I'm not an expert on writing in a guide-like, outlined format -- it's just not me. I realize it's a large task for the rest of you, but you've been drafted, committed. For each piece you contribute, you will be credited and your work will not go disregarded -- of course, that is assuming your contribution is noteworthy, though I'm sure 99% of of the time you will all contribute distinguished information. I commend each of you who contributes to the guide itself -- it is the most difficult, albeit primary, target of this project.

[pawky]

I am still very interested but life has been too busy at the moment. I have just started college recently and its busy. I am involved in multiple clubs (secretary for one), work on the weekends, volunteer somewhere else for 4+ hrs on fridays, and have school itself. Oh and friends to spend some time with :P I may also find myself getting involved a little with some research (can only hope so :P) In my spare time i would love to help though :P

Also, i dont know what to write about for an article :P Bob, give me a topic in CSS to discuss and ill write about it. If i dont know how, ill learn ;) That will help me be able to do it quicker and spend a few minutes at a time inbetween everything :P tc :)

[Jona]

Pawky, when writing an article, you must put much studying and time into it; otherwise the piece will be faulty, incomplete, or difficult to follow. Never assume the reader knows the first thing about what you're talking about. That's not to say you know little or nothing at all of web design -- I trust you know a great deal -- but overconfidence can be just as bad as it can be good. You want to devote your attention and time fully to the piece until you are quite sure that is concise, comprehendable, and objective. Afterwhich, a review from others may prove to be very helpful. The main focus of the project at the moment is not on articles, however, but on the guide itself. Following the outline, a piece needs to be written for each item in the entire list. Once that is completed, we will have the option to move on and write articles concerning different aspects of web design and other related techniques. Let's not get the definition of "writing articles" and "contributing to the guide" confused. ;)

[pawky]

first off (because i did make it sound otherwise :P) i never rush through things and make sure they are complete, otherwise i could have already worked on some :P I do take my time with all that i do and all that. And, i misused article obviously, i meant section, guide, whatever you want to call it.

[Jona]

Originally posted by pawky
first off (because i did make it sound otherwise :P) i never rush through things and make sure they are complete, otherwise i could have already worked on some :P I do take my time with all that i do and all that. And, i misused article obviously, i meant section, guide, whatever you want to call it.

Excellent. For the record and the sake of my own reputation, I wasn't searching for a way to correct or belittle you by any means; hindered communication often, if not always, results in loss of some sort. I just want to make sure we all understand each other, and that I know what you meant by "article," to avoid confusion. I also, for the benfit of the guide, want to make sure all work is thoroughly complete, even though I trust that all of our project contributors, including yourself, Pawky, will do so on your own.

[Ben Rogers]

Originally posted by MstrBob
You got the go ahead on HTML Syntax. You just never got the motivation to write it. Shush, you. I don't remember that, but, it's pointless to argue. I've already started on it, just been busy. Bikes and GTASA don't ride or play themselves, you know!

[pawky]

Originally posted by Jona
Excellent. For the record and the sake of my own reputation, I wasn't searching for a way to correct or belittle you by any means; hindered communication often, if not always, results in loss of some sort. I just want to make sure we all understand each other, and that I know what you meant by "article," to avoid confusion. I also, for the benfit of the guide, want to make sure all work is thoroughly complete, even though I trust that all of our project contributors, including yourself, Pawky, will do so on your own.

no worries Jona. I understand it was miscommunication and it can be seen by just reading what i typed. You were just stating off of what you read which you can be expected to do more then that. :)

[MstrBob]

I need to incorporate SEF URI's, but I can't test it because my server isn't working. (I've a thread in the general forum if anyone can help). I'll then upload it, and contact those interested in setting them up. It's got a user login system, and you can write and submit articles. Editors can edit and publish these articles. It's database driven and valid, of course. So, if I can just get my test server up tonight, tomorrow it will be up.

Server's up. But I want to crawl up and die. Reinstallation deleted all my documents. (I thought it left htdocs alone! What the hell?!) And now my work is gone (not even in the recycling bin!) God, it worked all nicely, too. My server's back up, but now I don't have the system I made, so this will set things back. Damnit! I'm being conspired against!

[Paul Jr]

Originally posted by MstrBob
It's got a user login system, and you can write and submit articles. Editors can edit and publish these articles. It's database driven and valid, of course. So, if I can just get my test server up tonight, tomorrow it will be up.
:( :( :( *Tear* You gone and dun it wiv out me!!! :( :( :(

[MstrBob]

Well, it's all pointless now, because of an install (an my current inaccess to external drives) I've lost it, and several other projects that I was working for. So now I'm screwed and back to square one. At least I've been able to resurrect one of my redesigns for work. But everything else I've been working on as of late is gone. So here I am. Bloody Brilliant.

[Ben Rogers]

Originally posted by MstrBob
Well, it's all pointless now, because of an install (an my current inaccess to external drives) I've lost it, and several other projects that I was working for. So now I'm screwed and back to square one. At least I've been able to resurrect one of my redesigns for work. But everything else I've been working on as of late is gone. So here I am. Bloody Brilliant. Heh. Well, that sucks. You sure you can't retreive it?

[MstrBob]

I tried. I have none of those delete recovery programs, and at this point, the download and installation would probably overwrite the missing files. They weren't sent to the recycling bin, and I can't find them in any temporary folders. Gone, along with the rest of apache 1.3 I reinstalled it, but its a bit late now since I've lost everything from my new web journal system, my website's design, on the webdevguide work, and other stuff. Dammit! Bob is pissed!

[Ben Rogers]

I know this project is essentially dead, but I don't want it's death to rest on my shoulders, so I'd like the other article I said I'd do to be reviewed, please. [HTML syntax (http://projep.no-ip.com:81/test/forum/guide/syntax.php)] That's on my localhost, so if in the case of me being offline, I've attached the page's source in a text file (it's only HTML, I just like the PHP extension better).

[slackin]

Sigh. When I found this thread I thought I'd struck gold. I'm new to web development, have always been a hardware guy.

From what you guys described you were going to do, it would have been exactly what a beginner would have needed. Too bad.

That said, what resource, or group of resources do you think I should turn to? So far, I'm about halfway through the tutorials that come with Dreamweaver MX 2004. My first mission is to set up a simple website for my church. Perhaps I should "cop out" and just buy a completed template, but I sure hate to take that route if I can help it. I want to learn.

Anyways, sorry to hear about the file loss and the loss in interest in this project. From the talent invovled, you guys could have uploaded this to a server and sold copies. Thanks for any advice.

Slackin

[the tree]

Go to http://w3schools.com

[Ben Rogers]

Originally posted by slackin
Anyways, sorry to hear about the file loss and the loss in interest in this project. From the talent invovled, you guys could have uploaded this to a server and sold copies. Thanks for any advice. I'm just pissed 'cuz I already did two articles, and noone else is doing theirs. I'm sorry this isn't being done, but it's just cuz everyone else here ('cept Bob, Jona, and anyone else who already contributed) sucks. :D Originally posted by the tree
Go to http://w3schools.com Seconded. Maybe not as user-friendly and clear as it could be (which was the purpose of this guide), but oh well.

[MstrBob]

Well, I installed WordPress. I've heard good things about it, and I'm thinking we can use it as our backend. Subsequently, if you're interested in helping out, editors, contact me and I'll give you your username/password. I'm still trying to get all the options of this ironed out, but I think it will work just fine. Basically, our writers will now be able to freely write, editors can help edit, and then publish the articles. Once I've fully configured it, I'll help by writing as well.

[slackin]

Thanks guys. Appreciate the tip.

[Mr Initial Man]

I've still got my articles on my computer. They're offline right now, but I'll put them back up ASAP.

[Ben Rogers]

I'm still hoping someone will review my article (http://projep.no-ip.com:81/test/forum/guide/syntax.php) on syntax for submission...

[Ben Rogers]

BUMP!

No, this can't die. It's a good idea. Think how much it will help in the future! Instead of explaining things from other learning sites, we do this, we can link to our own source and user-friendly explanation! We won't have to repeat ourselves. Just a link, answer questions, add the information our answers gave them to the article, rinse, and repeat.

[Jona]

I agree. We need to pick up this project again before it fades out of existence. Bob, I have seen you around places lately, what are you up to? The main page of the temporary site seems to be using Wordpress -- would Textile be a better CMS solution for us, or do you know?

[MstrBob]

I had asked for anyone interested to contact me. But, I had no contact at all. I don't care about backend. I care about writing this. But it seems people have lost interest here. So, I don't know. If you think text pattern or whichever is best, I'll gladly use it (You're design is safe, rest assured). But in terms of writing, everyone just dropped off. So, what do you two think?

[Jona]

Originally posted by MstrBob
I had asked for anyone interested to contact me. But, I had no contact at all. I don't care about backend. I care about writing this. But it seems people have lost interest here. So, I don't know. If you think text pattern or whichever is best, I'll gladly use it (You're design is safe, rest assured). But in terms of writing, everyone just dropped off. So, what do you two think?

Be the leader; the director. Tell us what needs to be written; give us a list. I'll devote extra time to actual authoring parts of the guide if necessary. I just want to get this off the ground so that I can contribute some of my own interesting articles in the articles section, and have the ability to use the Guide as a reference on these forums.

[Ben Rogers]

Well, remember the guidelines I wrote? There's your list. 2 parts of it already done: tags and syntax. Are both cleared?

[MstrBob]

I would gladly do so. The reason I hadn't before was because when I called out for those interested in writing to finally get together, I got no response at all. So, I tried my hand at writing. (http://www.wdhaven.com/wdguide.html) But I'm not very good at editing my own writing. So, shall I ask, one last time, who is interested?

We best simply start with HTML. We have, if we can use it, a section on what it is, and what we use it for. Ben has an article on syntax, no? Now, sections on different areas. Like syntax and implementation of images, lists, tables, forms, and the like. Section explaining the head part of the document.

[Jona]

I must admit, I don't really have any excellent organizational skills, so I'd prefer that I can just be told what I am to do at this point. I have developed a layout, so what am I to do now? Pick a section from the list, write on it, and have it reviewed?

[MstrBob]

If you wish to write, basically. I'd write more, but I need someone to edit for me. Because I can write until the cows come home, but it'd be pointless if it doesn't make any sense.

So I pose the question, with Ben, myself, and possibly Jona writing, would anybody be interested in editing?

[Ben Rogers]

Originally posted by MstrBob
If you wish to write, basically. I'd write more, but I need someone to edit for me. Because I can write until the cows come home, but it'd be pointless if it doesn't make any sense.

So I pose the question, with Ben, myself, and possibly Jona writing, would anybody be interested in editing? I'll be an editor- I'm not going to write so much that it takes up all my time, anyways.

[Jona]

Couldn't the three of us be writers and editors of each others' work?

[MstrBob]

Yes, that could very much work.

So, then:

http://projep.no-ip.com:81/test/forum/guide/syntax.php

http://www.wdhaven.com/wdguide.html

I'd ask for what you guys think of mine, and in a few minutes, I'll review Ben's.

[Jona]

I have some work to do at the moment, but when I get back later I'll help review.

[Ben Rogers]

Don't forget http://projep.no-ip.com:81/test/forum/guide/tags.php

[Jona]

Bob, I skimmed over your introductory piece. You may wish to go through a lot of information at the W3C for some reliable information on how computers communicate through the phone line by sending encoded data and whatnot. This way the user will not be misinformed or left with many questions. Your facts don't appear to be incorrect, but they are loosely defined. It's always good to extensively study content before presenting it as factual. We all know HTML, but we must, as Charles puts it, "inwardly digest" the documents at the W3C. This will take a lot of time, but I believe that extensive research and studying will result in much more comprehendible and concise results for our guide. Just a thought, take it with a grain of salt. ;)

[Ben Rogers]

Originally posted by Jona
Bob, I skimmed over your introductory piece. You may wish to go through a lot of information at the W3C for some reliable information on how computers communicate through the phone line by sending encoded data and whatnot. This way the user will not be misinformed or left with many questions. Your facts don't appear to be incorrect, but they are loosely defined. It's always good to extensively study content before presenting it as factual. We all know HTML, but we must, as Charles puts it, "inwardly digest" the documents at the W3C. This will take a lot of time, but I believe that extensive research and studying will result in much more comprehendible and concise results for our guide. Just a thought, take it with a grain of salt. ;) I don't think that we should get into things like this in the introduction of a beginner's article- it might scare them away, you know? I reccomend that we hold off on this until later in the guide.

[MstrBob]

I did research for that just to make sure. However, being as the section on the Internet was merely to give the reader a general idea of how the internet works (Server, Client, IP address, and domain name) I didn't wish to get too technical. Yes, I've left out bits, like routers and their use, and how the DNS are organized and obtain data, and how individual computers connect online. But I didn't wish to overload the reader. Do you perhaps think I should expand it a bit more? In which areas?

[Ben Rogers]

Originally posted by MstrBob
I did research for that just to make sure. However, being as the section on the Internet was merely to give the reader a general idea of how the internet works (Server, Client, IP address, and domain name) I didn't wish to get too technical. Yes, I've left out bits, like routers and their use, and how the DNS are organized and obtain data, and how individual computers connect online. But I didn't wish to overload the reader. Do you perhaps think I should expand it a bit more? In which areas? I don't think you should. I think that you've got all they need to know for now.

[Ben Rogers]

Uhm, could someone else write the tables section for the tags article? I've done the revisions that Bob suggested on the article, but I'm not sure how to go about outlining tables, so I'd like someone else to do it. Also, I'm resubmitting the tags section for review. <http://projep.no-ip.com:81/test/forum/guide/tags.php>

Edit/Note: Once Tags is cleared, I'll take up the <head> section.

[Jona]

Originally posted by MstrBob
I did research for that just to make sure. However, being as the section on the Internet was merely to give the reader a general idea of how the internet works (Server, Client, IP address, and domain name) I didn't wish to get too technical. Yes, I've left out bits, like routers and their use, and how the DNS are organized and obtain data, and how individual computers connect online. But I didn't wish to overload the reader. Do you perhaps think I should expand it a bit more? In which areas?

As Ben just said, we don't want to "scare them away"; confusion would cause the reader to become skeptical very quickly.

Your information is not erroneous, but I think there are a few minor adjustments to be made, which I've taken the liberty to make in the following paragraph. Otherwise, well done. :)


It is usually helpful, when working with a technology, to understand what it is, what it's capable of, and the basics of how it works. The same applies to developing websites on the Web. The word "Internet" literally means "an interconnected system of networks." You see, the network is a very large network of computers, but it is made by a large series of networks connecting together. So your computer might be part of a network in the northeastern U.S., but you can connect to a computer in London, U.K. because the networks are connected together. In essence this means the Internet is actually a network of networks.

How exactly do you access websites? First, the two computers must connect. In these connections there is a server and a client. The server stores documents, programs, and other files, and the client will send requests for these files. When the server receives the request, it is processed, and then the server sends the information back to the client. So when you go to a website, your computer is contacting a Web Server, which stores websites, and requesting documents.

But how does your computer find the right server among the millions of other computers on the Internet? Well, you probably type in a domain name, such as www.google.com. While this name allows you to identify the website, the computer can't do much with it. To find another computer on the Internet, a computer needs what's called an IP address. This will look something like this: 216.27.61.137. An IP address is unique to a computer while it is connected to the Internet, and allows other computers on the Internet to connect to the computer. But they are rather hard for people to remember.

So there are computers on the Web known as DNS, or Domain Name Servers. They take the domain name and use it to find the IP address for that website's Web Server. It then gives it to your computer, and your computer uses it to connect to the right Web Server. This is the basics of how the Internet works.

[Mr Initial Man]

*Raises hand shyly.* I've got my two articles back online...

http://www.furnation.com/Mister_Initial_Man/webdevproject/CSS.html

http://www.furnation.com/Mister_Initial_Man/webdevproject/HTML.html

I'm willing to be an editor... I can't edit Ben's page very well, since his site seems to be offline, whenever I'm on.

[Ben Rogers]

Yeah, it's on my localhost, so there's going to be a lot of downtime. By the way- could you check those links? They timed out for me...

[MstrBob]

http://www.wdhaven.com/guide.php

For now, at least...

[Ben Rogers]

"The HTML Document, From Top to Bottom" puts down something I've been trying to enforce, by stating the default style. I've been trying to enforce the idea HTML is for structure, not styling- then CSS allows you to alter the look according to your whims.

[MstrBob]

How does the article contradict that idea?

[Ben Rogers]

Originally posted by MstrBob
How does the article contradict that idea? The article (only slightly, not a rewrite, just a few deletions) contradicts that idea by supplying the default styles of elements. Instead of finding what they want to use, the users may just say I want bold font on this paragraph, ooh, <strong>. Paranoia, yeah, but justfied paranoia.

[MstrBob]

Oh, sorry, missed. Edited those two bits. Is that the only section you were referring to?

[Ben Rogers]

Originally posted by MstrBob
Oh, sorry, missed. Edited those two bits. Is that the only section you were referring to? The only part I saw, yeah.

[Mr Initial Man]

Originally posted by Ben R.
"The HTML Document, From Top to Bottom" puts down something I've been trying to enforce, by stating the default style. I've been trying to enforce the idea HTML is for structure, not styling- then CSS allows you to alter the look according to your whims.
Is there something I could do to rectify that?

Originally posted by Ben R.
Yeah, it's on my localhost, so there's going to be a lot of downtime. By the way- could you check those links? They timed out for me...
Could have been a Furnation glitch. The URLs are correct.

[Ben Rogers]

Yeah, the links work now- just too lazy to check it out ATM. :p BTW, I beleives Bob already fixed the prob.

[Mr Initial Man]

Cool. :) I left the document pure HTML, just in case you guys wanted to style it. That's why it showed the default styling. By the way, since we're using our real names on the guide, could you change the name on "The HTML Document, From Top To Bottom" from Mr. Initial Man to John-David Kraaikamp? John-David Kraaikamp is my real name.

[MstrBob]

Done. :)

[Mr Initial Man]

Thank you. :)

What about my CSS document? Or is that gonna be used later?

[MstrBob]

The CSS article is good. I don't think I'm going to use it as an introduction to CSS. It seems more like a "How to Implement CSS on a Webpage" type of thing. I'll spend some time looking at it on Sunday, when I have a bit more time. I think an Intro to CSS should explain what CSS is, why we use it, how we use it, and probably basic syntax. Then We'd follow up with that, how to implement it. And then we'll move on to the meat of it. We definately should have a section on creating basic layouts with CSS. Many people don't think it can be done, or don't know how to do it, so that's really important. Sorry, holidays busied me up, and yesterday I had to fix a laptop, today catching up on some work for classes and, well, work. Tomorrow I'll work more on the sections.

[Ben Rogers]

Originally posted by MstrBob
... I'll do this one, once I'm finished doing my blog (I hope to be done by tomorrow).

[Mr Initial Man]

Do you want me to rewrite it with implementation in mind?

[Mr Initial Man]

*Bump* I'm not gonna let this get buried.

[BigMoosie]

Did this thing ever get off the ground? I couldnt be bothered searching through all the pages to find out.

[scragar]

Yeah, I want to help, but I'd rather someone says: "write something about this" than leaves it as open as it currently is. I'm ready to help any time you guy's want.

[MstrBob]

The Guide As it Is now:

http://www.wdhaven.com/guide/

(Check the different sections, their not all written, those are the planned sections)

The Guide Sections:
http://www.wdhaven.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=7#7

I'm thinking of this as an open source process. We have the sections now clearly defined as what they need. They just have to be written. I'm not saying 'you do this!' because I want to make sure people can write what they're best at and that it's open to everyone being able to help if they can. I'd love to have more authors, it'd really speed this project up. Admittedly I haven't had much time to devote to this, and it's my fault, but it's not dead. If you want to help, then, what would you feel most comfortable writing about? Hopefully I've made it clear what each section is about, it just all needs writing.

[Snitchcat]

Do you have any dedicated editors right now?

[Jona]

Editors? I don’t think we need anymore editors. What is needed is writers. Can ye write for us? ;)

[Snitchcat]

I'd love to write for you -- I just don't know what I can write yet! :)

[Jona]

Well, you have a number of choices (http://www.wdhaven.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=7#7).

[Snitchcat]

Heh, I looked at the list before posting. (^_^) I still don't have any ideas even after reviewing the list. Lol!

[Jona]

The list isn’t a list of suggestions. It’s a list of things that we have planned to be put into the guide. It’s the outline. We just need to fill in the content now. That’s what we need writers for. ;)

I’ve tried my hand at writing, but I’m just not any good at it. I’m not a teacher, I couldn’t write a book (even a fictitious one) if my life depended on it.

[MstrBob]

The list isn’t a list of suggestions. It’s a list of things that we have planned to be put into the guide. It’s the outline. We just need to fill in the content now. That’s what we need writers for. ;)

I’ve tried my hand at writing, but I’m just not any good at it. I’m not a teacher, I couldn’t write a book (even a fictitious one) if my life depended on it.

Oh, but you can write javascript articles, eh? :p

[rhsunderground]

well if you send me a rough copy, or anybody that volunteered to be an editor, i'm sure we'd be willing to clean it up.

[Jona]

I write more advanced JavaScript articles. I write a script and explain it to my readers. I don’t write basic articles on HTML or other things that are so simple. I just can’t take it down to a level that anyone can comprehend it. I’m a bad writer when it comes to the basics. I’m a fairly decent writer when it comes to more advanced stuff. We’re writing basic articles here — nothing advanced.

[Ben Rogers]

Don't demean the basics, Jonny boy. A pillar might be an easy build, but you'd be fuxx0red without it. I wouldn't call it simple... it's only that once you're comfortable with the logic of (SG/X)ML (I don't know what I'm talking about when it comes to origins), and DOM in general (I'm not referring to accessing it via Javascript).

[Snitchcat]

The list isn’t a list of suggestions. It’s a list of things that we have planned to be put into the guide. It’s the outline. We just need to fill in the content now. That’s what we need writers for. ;)

Lol, yes, I know the listed articles aren't suggestions; I merely meant I couldn't think of anything for any of the articles that are open.

Although, I may have something now -- depends if the articles are still open or not. (^_^)

Take care,
Snitch.

[Jupac]

I can write for a few of them. If you want. cant do anything on DoubleImage untill jick gets back.

[BigMoosie]

I can write for a few of them.

People seem to have been saying this for ages. Why doesnt somebody just set up a domain, everybody write one or more articles in it, and from there establish how it will be structured, and if any are unappropriate (but still useful) we can throw them into a page that is designed for articles that are (get this) unappropriate. You guys are like a bunch of [insert funny simile].

[MstrBob]

Hey, I'm open and waiting for them. Check the list I posted, it shows all the articles that need writing.

I also encourage people to visit the guide site.

http://www.wdhaven.com/guide/

To help make it easier, if you've any suggestions/criticisms/other editorial stuff to contribute, leave it in the form of a comment of the article in question. I'm doing this so that we have articles open to a wide body of review.

[BigMoosie]

Thats an eyesore, surely that isnt how it is going to look?

[MstrBob]

No, no. It's the defualt Textpattern theme.

[shariq]

Hello
I found very good your tutorial but please I need the link code for my database to connect with one main page do you help me and write here the link code.
Thanks
Shariq

[Ben Rogers]

I dare you to make less sense!