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[busdown]

Do anyone know of someone, that can help me put a live video camera on my business site? it can not be no break-ups , it has to be like your watching live television.is there a script or something? also i need someone to write a script where you can take live bids and you can place bets live. also you have to put money in a account something like paypal, thats the only way you can bet. any contact numbers?

[davidbrent]

Originally posted by busdown
Do anyone know of someone, that can help me put a live video camera on my business site? it can not be no break-ups , it has to be like your watching live television

webcam? no?

Originally posted by busdown
also i need someone to write a script where you can take live bids and you can place bets live. also you have to put money in a account something like paypal, thats the only way you can bet. any contact numbers?

not asking much then.

[busdown]

a video camera like a sony or 3ccd camera.
who could write the script, what language is that? where could I go?
help

[PeOfEo]

Originally posted by busdown
a video camera like a sony or 3ccd camera.
who could write the script, what language is that? where could I go?
help You are not going to find anything premade like this. If you want a custom script expect to pay a fair ammount of cash. What you are asking for will require a server side lanugage and a data base to keep track of the bids. On the server end of it you may need an actual executable application running on the server so you can see the bids in real time. It will be a fair ammount of code and not something for a beginner. PHP ASP ASP.NET JSP CGI and Cold Fusion can handle the server side end of things for the client. Java, C++, vb.net/vb if you are on a windows server can handle the executable server application.

Also, the video camera will even be choppy depending on server upload speed, client download speed, and the number of users viewing the stream. If the server does not have the bandwidth and the ram to support a lot of users then a chop is probably inevitable.

Even the baghdad cam on foxnews.com is extremely choppy. That is not because it is poorly coded or the server is crap, it is because it gets a lot of traffic.

[davidbrent]

well explained!

[busdown]

appreciate that peOfeo! I was waiting for this advice. Do you think its better to run off a linux server to keep it hacker free, and easy upkeep? do you know which type of cash im looking at spending to make this complete and properly done. do you know any contacts or know of anyone? or i can email you my number. wohhhhhhoooooooo is it anything special coding for the video camera?

[PeOfEo]

it really does not matter if it is linux or windows. Windows you have to pay for. But the advantage is you can run asp and asp.net Both will do fine when it comes to hackers, provided the network admin has the network setup properly. There should be premade stuff to integrate a pc and a camera. If you have a coax cable port on the back of the server (might be on a video card or a cable adapter card) you can use that to connect to the camera. Some cameras might use usb, so on and so fourth. The price really depends on how much it would cost to write the application. Unfortunatly I would not be able to write it. But some of the others here might be able to take you up on your offer. If that does not work out, post on www.sourceforge.net

My rates for freelance webdesign and development are 20 bucks an hour + overhead.

[busdown]

So your saying I will have to buy my own server or could I just use rackshack or colocation? im lost now. I know i can run my camera through a video card or so fourth. also what type of programmer should I search for, one that does all the languages you stated or is it a certain type? i want it properly done.
cool

[PeOfEo]

You can use a host yes. The pc you hook your camera up to does not need to be the server. But you are going to need to get some stream server software on the webserver. I am not sure how you are going to be able to get the pc to communicate with the webserver. I used shoutcast to stream a web radio broadcast (that was going on with an air broadcast) to 3 other servers that were mirrors for the public. Shoutcast can handle video, the problem is your users would have to use winamp to open this type of stream.

No the programmer would not need to know all of the languages. He will just need to know one language to do the executable application (c++, java, or possibly vd... etc) and one language to do the website end of it (php, jsp, asp.net, asp, cgi, cold fusion). He might only need to know one language infact: If he uses asp.net he can do it with vb.net or c#, then do the application in vb.net or c#. If he knows java he could make the application in java then the web site in jsp. So on and so fourth. The bid part is not quite as complicated as the live camera setup is going to be.

It is possible, I have done it (but winamp is not going to let someone watch through a browser and is not as professional as quick time or media player), and I have seen others do it before. But you are just going to have to look at a lot of different software.

[busdown]

pc to communicate with the web server? meaning the video and bids live. do you know of any professional
software that handle quicktime or windows media? meantime ill be looking around. how much can i expect to pay
what prices? ill get quotes? anything else i should know or do? im lost though on what you meant by communicate pc to web server.

[busdown]

peofeo bump.

[PeOfEo]

Basically a pc (the pc with the camera) uploads the stream to the web server, it feeds it. The server then redistributes it to the people. The pc uploads the stream to one box, which is the server. The server uploads it to the masses, it takes the load. I have no idea how you will set that up, but I know it is possible (with shoutcast atleast). I would say darwin stream server is your best bet for quick time. It should be free... I think it is open source. I have no idea what this is going to cost you. It is going to be a bit of work so I do not think it will be cheap.

[busdown]

So use shoutcast for windows media player? Ill look around. So I will have to use two different stream servers for my video camera setup? Anything else?

[PeOfEo]

No, don't use shoutcast, the problem with shoutcast is that it produces a stream that only winamp can play. Nothing else that I know of. Good luck!

[busdown]

Thanks Alot! I really appreciate all your help.

[Ribeyed]

Hi,
sounds like a very good idea if you can piece all the technical parts together. Live video feed to the standards you need would required high bandwidth leased lines (T1 etc.). Co-location would be a good idea to keep costs down. For the streaming software maybe video conferencing software may suit your needs. Windows Media Server should be able to provide high quality streaming.
Writing the script to handle the bets is very simple to do. Windows media server can stream video to windows media player embedded into your web page.
What is it you would be wanting the developer to do? how much would you be willing to pey someone to build this?

[busdown]

I want the developer to build a script were my viewers can come in and place live bets in realtime before the event take place. Also another script I need, a setup were my viewers, members, account holders will have to put money in there account ( so it can be clear money,like a savings account ) before they can place a bid. T-1 Will cost a pretty penny? i was thinking t-1 too.I just want mac and window users to be able to view the events. i need to speak with you so i could tell you i could email my phone number or vice versa. you say its simple. price, hmm

[busdown]

would i need some type of account through a payment processor/bank were members account there money would be clear if they use visa,mc,dc,amex, check etc
hence clear money
thanks
i make sense

[Ribeyed]

The user visits your site needs to register with your site first. Certain checks would need to be first made to make sure this is a genuine user i.e validate email address.
An account configuration area of the site would need to be built to all users to add details etc.
The something like the paypal system would need to be implemented to allow users to store credit card numbers etc. A small direct debt would need to be deposited and withdrawal from the account to make sure the user is valid. Lots of code would need to be written to handle this part.
So once the user has been validated then you can allow them to upload money so to speak to their account. This would take at least 3 days (depends on your business account with the likes of wordplay). Yes to your question about needing a third party to take real-time credit card transactions. This would be automated so they don't have to keep entering their account details.
Withdrawals can also be requested from users account. Building this part maybe slightly more complicated than the rest because you would need to be transferring money from your account to the users account. This part i would need to research.
Pages from users to place beds would require some code but not that much as all this would be working from a database.
Yes T-1 lines are expensive but co-location isn't!
Co-location is where you send your own PC to a host that has a data centre. You pay for bandwidth only and nothing else. However you have to administrate the server yourself through remote desk toping but it gives you the flexibility to run whatever you want on your sever and have the benefit of being connected to a T-1 line. The company i use charges £50 a month for 1gb traffic.
You would need to create a VPN between your PC with the camera and your web server which would also have your media server software for streaming installed on it. You will then be able to feed your site with the video content from anywhere. All this can be done but in its entirety not an easy thing to build. I would like to see an invite to tender or some form of project specification document to get more of an idea what you would want me to quote you for.

[busdown]

yes exactly checks to see if this a validate user.were on the same page the only way customers
can bid if they have money cleared into the event account thay way i want have chargebacks.
so it would be real difficult. Also i would have to pay them off if they win there bid. VPN?
SEE an invite? you want me to specify exactly what I need?

[Ribeyed]

Hi,
VPN - Virtual Private Network.

This is basically a secure tunnel across the internet between the PC that has the camera attached and the web server that hosts your site.

See an invite?


You have an idea that you want someone to develop but have you got the idea down in some formal document that i can read over?


you want me to specify exactly what I need?


Yes, also if you have a budget, does this have to be developed within a time-scale etc.

[busdown]

I don't have my business plan on a document. I will write it out in word.

I would like to get it done soon. what type of prices do you charge? budget yes.