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BuezaWebDev
12-15-2004, 02:32 AM
http://letitblog.com/epic/
This is an interesting flash video that I recently watched. Man, oh man. It kinda scared at first because of the creepy music, but it's an interesting story.
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porco
12-16-2004, 11:26 PM
I guess in the end we'll get what we ask for, or maybe there's no stopping momentum. The introduction of full sized working quantum computers that can instantly crack any encryption we've ever made just in a second!! Couple those 2 ideas together and you can see some spooky ideas. Knowledge is power.
I remember being asked by a PhD in a Uni Lecture who specialised in Web Technologies, 'What do you imagine the web will be like in 10 years'?
Imagine back 10 years ago and try to look forward....
A personal computer about then would probably be something like a 30GIG plus machine with terabytes of memory available, either worldwide grid computing or even quantum... I wonder what us web designers will be doing then? yeh a scarey thought ay...
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davidbrent
12-17-2004, 06:02 AM
Very interesting. It puts capabilities into persepective. I can imagine the outcry if this did indeed happen in 9/10 years. It is kind of depressing to see real objects convert themselves to digital.
Has anybody seen Terminator 3? Epic wll become the big super computer in that film and take the world over.
BuezaWebDev
12-17-2004, 03:39 PM
An artficial intelligent machine to control all the information we will ever want to know....is this the eventuality of the human race?
This is in regards to Terminator 3--I totally think that this "Skynet" is a possible future for humans...Maybe I'm too induced by hollywood. But computers are getting far more advanced, we all know that...sooner or later...bam...They'll catch us with our pants down with their unlimited knowledge and artificial intelligence.
In terminator 3--the machines and the humans are tied in a war. I honestly think that if the human race had a war with sophisticated AI-driven machines...the human race would get utterly decimated.
We use computers for their raw calculative powers. We use them to strategize...
Back to the "Internet 2014"--I think it's all scary.
"Googlezon" sounds stupid though. lol.
the tree
12-17-2004, 04:55 PM
Googlezon does sound stupid as does Googlegrid, I think the makers of that forgot the real word: Googleplex.
Some of the idea's a pretty far fetched such as a system to write news stories, almost impossible, that's like a program to create art or write music, it's just not within our capabilities and probably wont be for a long time if at all.
The introduction of full sized working quantum computers that can instantly crack any encryption we've ever made just in a second!! Not likley, a computer can't actualy tell when it's succesfully crakced something: how would it tell some document isn't supposed to say fdkjiuerb45hguyi87tghrhgb3t87 instead of real words?
Plus who's to stop us from using keys a gigabite big? (yes I know, law etc)
Computers cannot continue to develop indefinatley wihtout getting bigger, in a rough sense you can have as many bits as electrons and electrons do take up some space.
As far as computers starting a war, think about motives, my computer couldn't care less if I kicked it, so why would they wan't to go killing us?
MstrBob
12-17-2004, 06:54 PM
It seems like a real Orwellian viewscape of the internet. (1984 == 2014?)
I do not view it as unreasonable to think that their could be a program that could take many different sources and create a newstory out of them. We already have programs that can disect the english language and know the proper rules of grammar. We have large digital bases of dictionaries, thesaurases and encyclopedias. The information is all digitalized already. Google has show a remarkable ability to sift through vast amounts of data. In ten years, such a program would very easily be feasible. Though wether one would exist is a different story.
Maybe, creativity is only a matter of time for computers. When you take a look at a lot of art, be it music, painting, writing or otherwise, a lot of it can be analyzed mathematically. Hell, just look at music. There's a whole logical science to what sounds good (and god knows that most of what's on the radio these days is mass produced anyhow).
Perhaps a giant media organization, existing of all the users and drawing from sources to show the news might be a possibility. I could see such a thing happening, it's not a far cry from what we already have. I don't see Googlezon, or EPIC or what have you utterly replacing other media online. It would be susceptible to false facts and the like, more so than if there's competition. There would still be an opportunity for, say, The New York Times to thrive online. People read the New York Times, and trust it. Would you believe an article online written and backed by the Times, or put together from a computer using sources of which you've no way to verify.
It seems like people keep pointing to Miscrosoft diminishing and Google increasing in importance and influence.
Anyway, this certainly causes one to think a lot about the future of the web.
pawky
12-18-2004, 05:58 PM
Originally posted by MstrBob
It seems like a real Orwellian viewscape of the internet. (1984 == 2014?)
This is what I thought first off :)
It seems like people keep pointing to Miscrosoft diminishing and Google increasing in importance and influence.
I have noticed this often.
Anyway, this certainly causes one to think a lot about the future of the web.
That it does.
I believe most of what was mentioned is possible as is what was said in 1984. Doubt it will happen by the year mentioned at least ;P oh well, only time will tell ;)
the tree
12-19-2004, 07:22 AM
Originally posted by MstrBob
Maybe, creativity is only a matter of time for computers. When you take a look at a lot of art, be it music, painting, writing or otherwise, a lot of it can be analyzed mathematically. Hell, just look at music. There's a whole logical science to what sounds good Urm... not quite, there's plenty of logic and maths behind what sounds o.k. Bach's music uses aspects of maths that are still getting discovered and really are just bloody complicated.
The thing is, as much as you can teach a computer about harmonies, intervals, laws of rythum, chord structure and all those little tricks that one uses when they need to get thier coursework in quickly. All your going to get in return is a very technicaly proficient piece.
There isn't as of yet anyway of calculating when the right point to break a key is or why certain songs employ certain dynamics, fair enough it could happen, but not by 2014.
We already have programs that can disect the english language and know the proper rules of grammar. We do?!?!? Even so, they don't understand what they're writing/reading and how are they meant to mesure relavance and appropriateness. example:
"Amid all the excitement at the big game, there was a tragic death: people were cheering and the Red Soc's success."
MstrBob
12-19-2004, 11:31 AM
Creating a computer that can properly use the English language to interact with humans is entirely plausible. If the human mind can learn it, so can a computer. Of course, one must wonder what a computer would have to talk about. But, nevertheless I find it very plausible.
There are programs that can check documents for grammar errors.
Dictating programs check the context of what has been said so far to chose the right homophone.
Many programs already make use of dictionary/thesaurases, knowing the relationship between words.
Given this, I think the idea of a program that can combine different sources and make one news story is very much plausible. Wether it will happen, or anytime soon is a different story. It would just take somebody motivated towards it.
In terms of the arts, I still think that much of it is mathematical. Computers might well oneday (and I'm talking a long, long way off here) be able to produce such works. What do you think is actually going on in the mind of an artist? They are assembling different bits to create an overall mood or affect. A lot of trial and error.
Bah, but that's just me. I'm weird like that.
Wolfe
12-20-2004, 12:50 AM
Conformaty is the game that Google plays, but unfortunatly Google might just be a fad. "Oh look, a new search engine... with a simpler design and improved search algorythm; how can I lose?!" Goodbye google and hello "PEPSI Search" *shrugs*
But it could be the latter, who knows? Let's just hope that the internet doesn't turn out like MTV *shivers* That's the day I move to Goa and get my spliff on, forgett about the world.
BuezaWebDev
12-20-2004, 02:01 AM
Hrmm..I don't know if Google will be outta the picture THAT fast.
I currently have a button on my taskbar that'll open up the google search webpage. I'm pretty sure you all have other methods of accessing google--but the point is, Google is already embedded in my life. :p
Wolfe
12-20-2004, 02:05 AM
Yeah, man. And the disco age will last forever *puts on sunglasses* funky, baby. Funky.