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ilya
02-01-2005, 08:46 PM
well i just started learning java..and i wondered if anyone had any tips for me..like things you encounterd when you first started off or just useful things that could help me learn java more efficiently..thx
Khalid Ali
02-01-2005, 10:20 PM
Java is a prety straight forward and yet very strong programming language. My worst nightmere was setting up the environment variables on windows 95 machines, I think if you read the sticky at the top of the forums you will find good startup help..welcome to Java and good luck
ilya
02-01-2005, 10:49 PM
that helped alot..cuz i couldnt set it up..i was using intelij idea 4.0 and it compiles for you..so.. thx alot
ray326
02-01-2005, 11:08 PM
If you want a great free Java IDE then check out Eclipse. I'd also recommend grabbing BeanShell, an interactive Java shell. It lets you explore ideas without having to turn them into full up programs. (Well that's just one thing it does.)
Khalid Ali
02-01-2005, 11:22 PM
I personally had used JBuilder for longest time, then recently(just over a year) I was introduced by IntelliJ(4.5) and have not looked back since.
I have not used eclipse, and wondering if Ray can post few words in its backing for Eclipse...:D
ray326
02-02-2005, 12:15 AM
Well I'm not sure what words I could say. Open source, extensible, versatile, created by IBM's OTI ($50M worth), supported by about a hundred companies now as well as independent developers, a general application platform. Free. (That's a good word. :)) Initially targeted Java programmers but now it's hard to find languages it doesn't support; many plugins actually do non-programming tasks. Literally hundreds of plugin enhancements. (Please check my numbers at Eclipse.org (http://eclipse.org); I don't want to lead anyone astray.)

I've used JBuilder, Cafe, Visual Age for Java and Netbeans. The Eclipse JDT is sort of a blend of the other style IDEs with the VAJ (essentially Smalltalk) style which I found particularly productive.

Sort of stream of conciousness but it's a big toolkit so it's very hard to describe concisely.
ilya
02-02-2005, 04:12 PM
yeh i have eclipse sumwere also..havent tried it yet..