Which one you'd choose??

[MikeFlyer]

Hi everybody,,,
there is a question that came into my mind, I don't know actually I wanted to know whither if i'm selecting the good tool for development. You know each one of us, ( web developer ) needs another tool with a good html capabilities that would help him in working with codes, for me I am an ASP.NET developer but to make the modifications to the html I use MS.Front Page XP for the html codes.

- Classic ASP (I use MS. Front Page XP)
- ASP.NET (Visual Studio, MS Front Page)
- Javascript (MS. Front Page)

what about everybody in here?? :confused:

[scragar]

I use notepad for everything, ocassionaly making use of the w3examples page to test a code or so if I cannot be bothered uploading it...

[David Harrison]

I also use notepad for everything.

[MikeFlyer]

using notepad for writing asp.net pages?? and what about ASP.NET compilation??

[buntine]

Oh, Mike. They are fools! Stay away from Notepad. Choosing Notepad for ASP.NET development would be an extremely bad decision.

Try to stick with Visual Studio for writing ASP.NET applications. MS have just released Visual Studio Web Developer 2005 -- you can download the BETA version for free. It is a fantastic IDE for writing Web Applications in any supported .NET language.

HTML-Kit is a nice IDE for basic JavaScript and ASP 3.0 development. It has full support for both.

Regards.

[scragar]

I don't do asp.net, which is why notepad is perfect.

[MikeFlyer]

:) finally i've found somebody that gave up the notepad, and about this tool i think you gave me the push that i wanted to take the decesion of downloading it. and also, i took that you're writing asp.net using this tool :p

[David Harrison]

using notepad for writing asp.net pages?? and what about ASP.NET compilation??I never mentioned anything about .net, when I said "everything" I meant HTML, CSS, JavaScript, ASP and PHP.

[Stephen Philbin]

I don't write any kind of asp, so I just use Bluefish. It's fine most of the time, but can sometimes slip up on syntax highlighting and can get a bit cludgy when you get around the 1000 lines mark and there's a lot of syntax highlighting going on at the same time.

[pyro]

I never mentioned anything about .net, when I said "everything" I meant HTML, CSS, JavaScript, ASP and PHP.It's still foolish. It's like a carpenter using hand tools instead of power tools... If nothing else, get something with the bare minimums - line numbers, auto-indent, etc...

[felgall]

A computer program will never produce web page and program source that is as neat and efficient as that created by a human being. Some programs create100 lines of output for something you can code yourself in 2 lines.

I use CSE Validator. It is effectively notepad with colour coding and validation built in.

[pyro]

A computer program will never produce web page and program source that is as neat and efficient as that created by a human being. Some programs create100 lines of output for something you can code yourself in 2 lines.I wasn't implying to let it write the code for you. I was simply saying that using a program designed for programming is the only logical choice.

[theuedimaster]

Notepad++ and Dreamweaver are both good.

[Sanim]

I use a program called Dreamweaver MX 2004 for my web sites. I am learning PHP at the moment.

[PeOfEo]

I use Asp.net with dreamweaver. I do not compile.

[Stephen Philbin]

Aye. I'd never use a wysinwyg editor, that's just daft, but then so is using notepad. As soon as I found Araneae (http://www.ornj.net/software/araneae/) I started using that instead. It's basically the Windows equivelant of Bluefish (well the way I use it is anyway). It has numbered lines, syntax highlighting and tabbed files so you can have many files open in the same instance of the program, rather than having many instances of the same program filling up my bar.

Using Notepad is just pointless and daft.

[MstrBob]

Hey Mr Herer, since this thread is on the topic, what would you recommend in terms of an IDE? I normally use HTML-Kit, but now I'm dual booting Windows XP and Suse 9.2 Once I get Apache, PHP, and MySQL installed, I'll need a good editor with HTML, XML, CSS, Javascript, PHP syntax highlighting and line numbering at least.

[Stephen Philbin]

Sadly there (and I'd say suprisingly) there doesn't seem to be a great deal of variety in IDE's for web technologies. There's oceans of IDE's for C languages, Java and all the millions of other languages, but as far as web-specific languages, I haven't been able to find much.

I've got quite accustomed to bluefish now though. The version of Bluefish (0.4.1 I think it was) that Yast2 finds and installs for you was good but had quite a few niggles, but I found the place to get the latest version from (1.0) and downloaded it from there. I compiled it from source (I compile almost everything myself) and there were quite a few things I needed before it would compile, but I just got Yast2 to find and install them for me so I could get on with the task at hand. I think you might be able to just download a binary of it and chuck it in place if you don't want to configure and compile, but I wouldn't swear to it.

I'd also advise installing Apache, MySQL, PHP and so on seperately rather than all as one too so you can easily update each one as and when you like. If you want me to walk you through installing everything then just hit Alt and F2 and type in "kopete" and hit enter. That'll bring up a program that lets you use MSN (and many others like YIM). Just gimmy a shout on that and I'll help you get everything installed in the right order and done nice n' smoothly. ;)

Oh you might as well grab OpenSSL too whilst yer at it. It's a doddle to install and can be rather handy. :D http://www.openssl.org/

Oh and a quick jump back to the subject of editors, I almost forgot, there's a rather nifty text editor called Kate (hit Alt and F2 type "kate" hit enter to check it out). Its syntax highlighting is basic at best, but it is ideal for getting yourself out of nested loop hell. The "folding markers" it provides are a godsend when wrestling with millions of nested if, while, case and various other control structures. F9 toggles the folding markers on/off and F11 toggles the line counter on/off. Just stick 'em both on and open a complex php file in it. Get clicking on the + and - signs to see what I mean. :D

Anyway, like I said, just gimmy a shout on kopete/msn and I'll walk you through whatever you like. ;)

[David Harrison]

It's still foolish. It's like a carpenter using hand tools instead of power tools... If nothing else, get something with the bare minimums - line numbers, auto-indent, etc...I am using a power tool, if I wasn't I'd be writing in 1's and 0's. :D

I don't see why Ineed line numbers, if I get "Error on line 768" I just hit ctrl+g, type in 768, hit OK and I'm taken to line 768. Why is auto-indent helpful?

[scragar]

I am using a power tool, if I wasn't I'd be writing in 1's and 0's. :Dquite right. notepad is all you ever need.Why is auto-indent helpful?helpfull, yes. nessesary, no. after all who needs a program to add a tab or two to a line?

[buntine]

after all who needs a program to add a tab or two to a line

Developers who value productivity.

[wamboid]

Developers who value productivity.
The TAB key and space bar work in notepad, and my pinky and thumb enjoy the workout. You should see my muscular pinky from all those extra keystrokes! lol

[buntine]

Go into Notepad, select 10 lines of text, press TAB....

Now do the same in an editor designed for writing source-code. People who write all code in Notepad will never be able to stand up to those who use the correct tools for the job, in terms of productability -- and ultimately profitability.

Regards.

[PeOfEo]

The TAB key and space bar work in notepad, and my pinky and thumb enjoy the workout. You should see my muscular pinky from all those extra keystrokes! lol
But with soBut with something like dreamweaver I do not even have to keep it organized manually... dreamweaver cleans up after me.

[poiuy]

I always tell people if you want a successful website you should try to spend more time promoting than programming your site.

Why walk when you can run? Mike stick to Frontpage, Dreamweaver, HTML kit, etc. etc.

[LiLcRaZyFuZzY]

u actually can choose wether you want to compile asp.net or not?

[Ben Rogers]

I very much like Araneae (http://www.ornj.net/software/araneae/), and all the more so after RTFM. ctrl+arrows, unchecking "insert carat anywhere," turning off syntax highlighting... good stuff. Now if only I could get into the habit of "line-bookmarking..." ;) (It has all of what Ryan referred to as "bare minimums" by the way, and tabbed files. Very useful.) I have Dreamweaver, too, but I couldn't get into it. I like minimalist interfaces. Give me what I need, two steps for what I'll barely ever need, and don't give me fluff. *shrug*

BTW, I don't use asp.net either, PHP (gotta get into OOP), markup, CSS, and the occasional Javascript.

[amazing_andr3]

I use EditPlus for HTML and CSS.

I use Eclipse for Java.

I use PHPEdit for PHP, but I have to reinstall it every 30 days. So I might switch to Eclipse for PHP too.