ASP, PHP or JSP?

[Pavon]

Hi,

Can anyone give me some feedback on what I should use,
between PHP, ASP, and JSP?

Thanks,

Fernando

[Klyve1]

This 'may' be easier to answer if you say what it is you actually want to do??

[Pavon]

I have done a my web site on PHP, but I've been told that JSP is better. And I am just trying to get as much information as possible before I develop too much and find out down the road that I am going to be limited.

fernando

[Klyve1]

Well, once again it's not really possible to answer this without knowing what the end result is to be.

I write PHP and it's fine with me for everything I want to do but I have more knowledgable ex colleagues that tell me JSP is much better for certain applications.

Bottom line is what is it you want to achieve?

[Pavon]

I suppose my question is:

'Why do they say that JSP is better?'

In general I want to create web sites for people that can be accessed via any device. That can access a dabasase and create objects from dll libraries.

Also, I want to use a system that has a future.

Thanks,

Fernando

[Klyve1]

Personally I'm not for JSP (steep learning curve) but as I said I have colleagues that see it as a more robust and scaleable platform.

Take a look at these for other points of view:

http://training.gbdirect.co.uk/......web_scripting.html (http://training.gbdirect.co.uk/courses/php/comparison_php_versus_perl_vs_asp_jsp_vs_vbscript_web_scripting.html)

http://www.htmlforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=3298

http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/99/46/index1a_page4.html?tw=programming

[Pavon]

Thanks Klyve,

Yes, I wonder why some people hate JSP and others seem to love it.

I appreciate those links, I've added them to my favorites

Thanks,

Fernando

[Klyve1]

I would think that the hate part would be down to the steep learning curve necessary.

Certainly puts me off!

Good luck

Klyve

[Pavon]

Hi Klyve,

I just thought you might be interested in an answer I got at CodingForums.com

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JSP has many very nice features however JSP tends to run rather slowly.
You won't find JSP supported on very many shared hosting servers due to
the amount of resources JSP uses. Typically businesses that have their
own servers will use JSP.

PHP can do pretty much anything that JSP can do but PHP was originally
designed for the web where as JSP draws it's roots from a high level
standalone software development. Java, the lanaguage used in JSP has a
very steep learning curve.

ASP is nice too but has a bit of a steeper learning curve than does PHP.
The difference in speed between PHP and ASP is probably not real noticably
different.

Cheers, and thanks
Fernando

[Klyve1]

Thanks for the extra info.

By co-incidence I spoke to a potential client regarding a usability review of their site and commented about the slow speed of the page delivery and they use JSP!

Klyve

[jeffmott]

Another top choice that you have left out is Perl. Being a general purpose language, Perl has functions to do nearly everything. It is difficult to find a Web server that does not support Perl. Its major features are that it's easy to use, supports both procedural and object-oriented (OO) programming, has powerful built-in support for text processing, and has one of the world's most impressive collections of third-party modules.

[Pavon]

Thanks for your suggestion jeffmott. I am going to take a close look at Perl.

My only problem with ASP and ASP.NET in particular is the huge expence for Microsoft's development tools like Visual Studio, also hosting of ASP is more expensive than PHP and ASP.NET is even more expensive still.

It's a pity that Microsoft insists on making money even out of developers. I don't mind paying but I think Microsoft's prices for their MSDN is a clear rippoff.

On the other hand PHP, Apache and MySQL are all free for developers. And hosting is a lot cheeper.

[Robert Wellock]

I myself have noticed most websites written in JSP I have visited can be sluggish and I tend to browse on T-1 so it's either their JSP or servers I believe it will be the JSP.

Normally I'd say PHP is slightly better than ASP but it does depend upon how you want to apply the technology.

[Uros]

Hi to all.
Im programming in Java...desktop app and applet's.
I wanted to learn web prog. and i started with php,"he" is so easy,quick learning,small size code.
With php i done the job.
When i start to learn JSP , ohhhhhhhh WTF,but it's ok,little practice and all work will ve done.
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For starters PHP is better,but later go to JSP,tomcat is easy to administrate,JSP had more power,and some code lines ++ isnt problem.
Sorry for bad eanglesh.

[deniel.volt]

Hi Guys,

Asp.

Deniel.

[sohguanh]

For some programming languages they come hand in hand. Usually for JSP it is closely coupled with Java Servlet (although it need not always be the case). For ASP, it is usually coupled with MS IIS web server.

So in a way I would think PHP and Perl or even Python stand out as more loosely coupled. For JSP feature, Perl has HTML Mason and others, for PHP it should have it's own (CodeIgnitor and others) and Python it's own (Django and others) too.

[adityajoshee]

JSP is way better than PHP ....JSP is Java powered and has access to rich libraries and also java is the language which will survive the web in future....Most large corporations have their web services on jsp/java . In terms of speed both match but Jsp becomes much better than PHP when you are developing serious / large web applications....

[kappauk]

I guess it's just down to what you're used to, PHP seems good for people that want to write a quick site that allows basic database access, adding, searching removing of data etc. I mean Facebook is written in PHP so you can do some pretty decent stuff in it (although their apps are not).
Personally I'm a JSP person, simply because of my Java background; I find it good also for seperating Java from teh HTML as you can create JSP pages just for Java and include them in your HTML pages (so you don't see all the Java in the HTML (JSP) pages.
Also it comes with a lot of libraries for things like SQL, email, security/encription etc.

ASP, don't know much about it other than it's part of the Microsoft monster, so I'd probably stay clear as I'm sure you'll get nailed with some sort of liciencing issue from the fellas in Richmond!

[Michael_G]

There are things to consider when choosing a platform for your webhosting.

ASP .NET is very good, however, to do it effectively you have to have Microsoft IDE Visual Studio, which comes with a hefty price tag, also if you plan to host an ASP .NET web app on your own hardware you will have to purchase pricey microsoft software like Windows Server. If you get an ASP hosting account with one of the many hosting providers, that is alot more economical. I think ASP is the best but you have to know that to do it the best way you will have to purchase pricey software from Microsoft corporation. ASP .NET has a very nice setup in that your form elements on your page, the data they contain are automatically entered into the C# programming scope wit little code required.

PHP is alot more economical, since it is free, there are many free php hosting accounts available on the web and there are also freeware IDEs like Komodo that work well with it. When compared to ASP, php is missing some equivalent high end APIs, in PHP you would have to code your own to get some of the same functionality. but it should be good enough for most web apps. PHP also works with free CMS like wordpress and Joomla.

If you are planning to do any Facebook apps, PHP is the best way to go for facebook applications, because that is the same platform that facebook runs on.

I am a bit concerned about JSP in regards to rapid development. Previously I tried to set up Sun Microsystems Java server and it was a very painful process, just to get some basic pages running with JSP took a good bit of time. There is a free Java server from Apache Jakarta that also comes with a product called Tomcat for doing JSP, but my experience with those was not good.

Hope this helps.

Michael G. Workman
michael.g.workman@gmail.com