FF7: Advent Children

[Ben Rogers]

We're all geeks here, yes? ;)

It's out, if you haven't heard. It's...it's...uh, it's good. Quite good.

Damnit...

[hooloovoo24]

Pardon me if this is horribly un-geek-like, but...what? What is FF7: Advent Children?

[Ben Rogers]

Well, it wouldn't interest you much if you don't know what it is, as sexy-hot as the action scenes are. It's a movie that takes place after the end of Final Fantasy 7, the first FF game to go on the Playstation, not too much under 10 years ago. I never beat it, and FF9 is still my favourite (I'm not all that big on gaming), but I couldn't pass it up, 7 was a classic.

[hooloovoo24]

ah. Perhaps you should have been more specific in the type of geek you were referring to. video game geeks

[Ben Rogers]

Ptsch. Any good geek should've at leat heard of FF7...

[gchick]

japanese version's been released recently....UK should be too in the next few weeks.

[hooloovoo24]

Ptsch. Any good geek should've at leat heard of FF7...

Maybe so, but my video game knowledge stops at SNES.

[Ben Rogers]

@gchick: bah, just get the fansub. Do you really want to hear Cloud speaking in English? mm-mm, character rape

[Stephen Philbin]

I'm still waiting for the FFVII remake and update. I think VII was easily the best. IX was a bit cack actually I thought. Well, as far as FF games go anyway. My order of preference is VII, X and X2, VIII, IX

[Ben Rogers]

IX was the first FF game I played, it'll always hold a special place in my heart. I like the story, I like the characters, I fully understand the battle system, and let's face it. Vivi fooking rocks. ;)

Campy goodness, yo.

Never played X2...boycotting it. Truthfully, IX and VIII, I never beat the final boss. IX I've been replaying lately (stopped for a bit), to beat him, but VIII was never enough to justify me starting over. What I really want to play is XI...

[theuedimaster]

I can't wait for this movie! I loved spirits within, this i'll probably be better! Woot!

[Ben Rogers]

*Hit!* Spirits Within was great, but it was only named FF for familiarity. This is, you know, actually a Final Fantasy movie.

[Stephen Philbin]

But would you say FF IX was not a FF if the story had been placed in a movie rather than a game? I'd say Spirits Within is every bit a FF. It's certainly got all the classic hallmarks of a FF, it's just in a defferent media.

[Ben Rogers]

No, I wouldn't say it has any of the classic trademarks of an FF...and if the entire story of FF9 was bound in a movie, I simply wouldn't care because that would furking RULE. ;)

I'd say that's an unfair question, though. IX and SW are very different.

[Stephen Philbin]

No more different than it is from any other Final Fintasy.

[Ben Rogers]

Spirits Within was built focusing on plot. The entire thing was built around a story: the characters were normal people, there was a solid plot. FF7 was built to be a good game with a good story: to have both, there are sacrifices on both ends. In a normal movie, Cloud and Sephiroth's characters could not have been built. Battles in movies need to be meaningful; video game battles need to be amusing.

[Jeff Mott]

From sheer lack of time, FF7 has been the only FF I've played. Interestingly enough, nearly eight years after its release, FF7 has held fairly stable in the top 10 most popular FAQs at GameFAQs.com. I also vaguely remember reading somewhere that Sephiroth was voted the greatest villain of all time (not limited to just video games).

Personally, I'm not all too interested in the game play, that is, the numerous unecessary steps such as dressing Cloud up as a woman, or randomly walking around paths for half an hour fighting not difficult, but annoying and meaningless bad guys, like in the cave of the Gi, which is why I always have the official FF7 guide handy to get me though these part as quickly and painlessly as possible.

It was entirely the underlying story that I enjoyed from this game (and the soundtrack music that supported many of the key scenes: Aeris' theme, Sephiroth's "Chosen" theme, and the final "One-Winged Angel"). It sits in my personal top 3 for the greatest stories ever told.

I have not seen AC yet. I can only hope it was done well; not just the animation and action, but the story as well. I personally enjoyed the unique and mysterious ending of FF7. Hopefully AC's ending will be equally memorable.

I'm still waiting for the FFVII remake and update.You may be waiting a very long time. This is a rumor at best. Square has explicitly stated that it is not pursuing such a project... "at this time".

[Jeff Mott]

I would say that Spirits Within has the classic trademarks of the FF series. All the themes and settings (e.g., the earth itself being a kind of living entity) and even character names (e.g., Cid) that FF is known for are all there. Certainly the different mediums creates many technical differences, but the ideals of Final Fantasy are the same.

Regardless, I thought SW was an excellent movie, and it's a shame that it was considered a flop at the box office.

[Ben Rogers]

It seems a lot of people are thinking the same way I am: since AC came out, there's plenty of...er...copies of Spirits Within available. At the store. Yeah.

SW was a great movie, it's been a long time since I've seen it. Maybe I'll have a refreshed argument after seeing it again, but...it doesn't really matter.

[Ultimater]

Ptsch. Any good geek should've at leat heard of FF7...
My avatar say it all. *wink*

Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within sucked. That was one of the worst movies I ever saw, I even had to walk-out on it -- you'd have to pay me to finish watching it :p
Final Fantasy vii advent children looks decent but has subtitles...
preview: http://www.theanimenation.com/videos.asp?id=27
I searched Netflex and couldn't find it...

[Jeff Mott]

What made it so bad to you that you had to walk out?

[Ben Rogers]

Your avatar sucks a fat one. "*wink*"

As for The Spirits Within sucking? Um...? I seriously don't get how someone could think that.

Yeah, Advent hasn't been dubbed yet. Thankfully. I don't get you--I prefer sub to dub, a lot of english voice actors rape the character, poorly cast. Some good ones. Mostly mediocre. Or great ones, like Haruko (FLCL). That person just plain rules.

[gchick]

i didnt think SW sucked...though i agree its not that amusing either.its just that thay have to work on the story...meanwhile FFVII is from the real Final Fantasy series and i played it and i like dit so i guess this'll be good....i saw the trailer (official site:square enix) and the sites was wicked!

[Ultimater]

FF:TSW was very dull, it's story-line was far from original and it just plain sucked, wasn't action-packed, too space-ish, none of the characters I could relate to, and the more I watched of it, the more I thought I was gonna throw-up... I can't stand any space movies. Star Strek killed my any-chance of space movies and I have no patience for any movies in that catagory -- nope, not even Star Wars.

[Ben Rogers]

How the hell was the story line dull and unoriginal? That's just ignorant
Oh, it didn't have fight scenes, so it sucks. Because FF is all about action. :rolleyes:
Star Trek is nothing like Spirits Within, you dip.
Oh, but you can relate to SEPHIROTH?!? Give me a break...

[Ultimater]

I already explained to you my views , so quite flaming at me please.
I can relate to characters with pesonality and Sephiroth expresses a lot of personality.

[Ben Rogers]

But I like flaming you...

[Ultimater]

lol. Hehe, I needed that. I don't come by jokes too often -- nobody ever tells me any and people are just too straight-forward and serious with me. I hardly ever encounter a laugh. But I did learn a lot of jokes back-when in school.

[theuedimaster]

FF:TSW was very dull, it's story-line was far from original and it just plain sucked, wasn't action-packed, too space-ish, none of the characters I could relate to, and the more I watched of it, the more I thought I was gonna throw-up... I can't stand any space movies. Star Strek killed my any-chance of space movies and I have no patience for any movies in that catagory -- nope, not even Star Wars.

Woah man... no Star Wars?.... that hurts buddy, that hurts ;)

[Ben Rogers]

Star Wars. Star Trek. Something that doesn't suck.

Which of the above doesn't belong?

[Stephen Philbin]

You may be waiting a very long time. This is a rumor at best. Square has explicitly stated that it is not pursuing such a project... "at this time".

Aye. I've certainly never expected them to remake it. I'd be very suprised if they did, but I'll always be waiting for it.

[gchick]

the movie (FFVII) has leaked.....im trying to find where i can download it...


lol....


my bad

[Ben Rogers]

If you're like me, then go to manage bookmarks, new bookmark, and then

Name: Torrent or whatever
Location: http://www.torrentz.com/s.php?q=%s
Keyword: t
Description: whatever you want

And file it wherever; I put it under quick searches. Then, type in something like "t advent children" in the address bar, and it'll take you to http://www.torrentz.com/s.php?q=advent+children ... the %s is replaced with your term. I have one for google images (img), php.net, and I kept the ones for dictionary.com, google, and wikipedia that come by default.

I, uh, like to keep tabs on what those evil people are shar--, ehm, stealing.

This is of course assuming you use Firefox, and have a program like Azureus (http://azureus.sourceforge.net) handy.

[Snitchcat]

Yep, it's out, in Japanese.... and there's a Chinese subtitle version, too. Both are available for download. I just don't know where. Lol!

Anyhow, I want the English subtitled version. (^_^)

Oh, and the music is absolutely wonderful! (I also have the desktop wallpaper--hehehe. And yes, I love FFVII)

[e-realmz]

Well lets hope they didnt screw it up like they did with the first so-called FF movie.

[Jeff Mott]

Well lets hope they didnt screw it up like they did with the first so-called FF movie.You seem to be in the minority with your view toward The Spirits Within.

[Snitchcat]

The first FF film took some getting used to. I didn't like it initially, but it grows on you. (^_^)

[e-realmz]

You seem to be in the minority with your view toward The Spirits Within.

Dont get me wrong, it was a good movie. I would buy it and watch it once a year. It just wasn't good enough to be called "Final Fantasy" Other than the title, it had no referance to the game at all. The street fighter movie did a better job.

[Ben Rogers]

Dont get me wrong, it was a good movie. I would buy it and watch it once a year. It just wasn't good enough to be called "Final Fantasy" Other than the title, it had no referance to the game at all.I agree.

The Final Fantasy prefix was merely for recognition, but it was a good movie.

[gchick]

Yep, it's out, in Japanese.... and there's a Chinese subtitle version, too. Both are available for download. I just don't know where. Lol!

Anyhow, I want the English subtitled version. (^_^)

Oh, and the music is absolutely wonderful! (I also have the desktop wallpaper--hehehe. And yes, I love FFVII)


i have Cloud as my wallpaper too! i got an English subtitle but i cant open it because of .torrent file

[Ben Rogers]

i got an English subtitle but i cant open it because of .torrent fileUm...? Do you need help with torrents...?

[Stephen Philbin]

Other than the title, it had no referance to the game at all.

Well which game is "the" Final fantasy game and why would the film have any reference to it?

[e-realmz]

Well which game is "the" Final fantasy game and why would the film have any reference to it?

The "game" would mean the "seres" in which every single game made some reference to the series.

The film would have some reference to the game to give it the FF feel. Even the fact that it took place on earth f***ed it all up.

What Im saying is, it could have been called anything and most people would not have ever related it to the FF series.

[Ben Rogers]

True. Final Fantasy games create an entire new world and then, through the course of the game, you realize your part in it, and change it. The movie created a new world, but in the media of the movie, you weren't introduced to the characters like you are in FF games, and it was based in our world; even had it been a movie, you couldn't become completely removed. Especially since FF worlds are basically okay to live in, in the end of Spirits, everything changed, it went from horrible to normal. Our normal, nontheless.

[Stephen Philbin]

The name of the planet is irrelevant, the story is always about earth and out relation to it and our place in it. I'm pretty certain most people would have sussed it for a Final Fantasy pretty quickly regardless of the name.

[e-realmz]

This is apparently a difference of opinion. I felt the movie had nothing to do with Final Fantasy and was using the argument that no one would recognize it had it not had that name. But you are right, I would have quickly related it to FF just like I related Van Helsing to Castlevania. But if you never played the games in the FF series, the movie would offer very little, if any of the experience that the games pulled you into.

The name of the planet is very relevant to my argument due to the fact that it quickly gives hint to a possible post apocalyptic future of ours. Thats something FF never did. They always had a world on the verge of destruction in which a hero would come and save it before it was too late. The movie, on the other hand, took a sci-fi turn on the whole "fantasy" theme. They should have just called it "Final Science Fiction".

[Ben Rogers]

Gaia means earth, so I don't think the name means anything, either. Also, had the movie not been published/developed by Square, my arguments as to whether or not it's really a FF movie would've been givens.

[Snitchcat]

FF could mean much, given the myriad viewpoints we all have. Why do the term and title, FF, have to relate to the games? It would have been wonderful had the film actually been based on one of the FF games (which I hope we're getting with Advent Children), but it wasn't.

I was disappointed initially because I was expecting a FF game-based film. On the other hand, watching it a second time, I wondered why it was called 'Final Fantasy'. Sure, the characters' aesthetics were reminiscent of the game characters' appearances, but not much more than that.

Well, the film was about a futuristic, dying Earth. It was a story dealing with imminent Armegeddon. It was a 'what if' story. And fictional stories are 'what ifs' with long answers. Some of those stories are about dreams and imaginings of what it would be like in a certain place and time. They're about creating that period, that environment; fantasizing about various scenarios.

Thinking about it like that, FF: the Spirits Within could be taken as a fantasy of the world in its final stages of life, the scales hinged on those that live on and within the world. Will the world die or survive? So... 'Final Fantasy' is quite an apt title.

(^_^)

[e-realmz]

wrong! wrong! wrong!.... And I'll tell you why, but right now I gotta go to work. But wrong!

[Ben Rogers]

First off: Advent Children is a true FF movie.

Second off, Spirits Within is not a FF movie.

When something has Final Fantasy in the title, you take it to be part of the FF series. Just because Spirits Within is a fiction movie doesn't mean it's a Final Fantasy movie: for it to be that, iit would have to be either featuring Final Fantasy's gameplay (Final Fantasy is a game, the gameplay matters; X-2 was only truly FF because it took a story which already was already Final Fantasy due to it's predecessor's gameplay), or continuing a Final Fantasy story.

Spirits Within is not Final Fantasy. However, since Final Fantasy is popular, and Spirits Within is a Square movie, it was credited to that franchise for popularity. It's like an indie film that takes place in the future being called "Matrix 4." You could argue it takes place in the Matrix universe, but no, it's not a Matrix movie.

[Jeff Mott]

Just because Spirits Within is a fiction movie doesn't mean it's a Final Fantasy movie: for it to be that, iit would have to be either featuring Final Fantasy's gameplay (Final Fantasy is a game, the gameplay mattersHow the heck would you include gameplay in a movie?!

I think the source of disagreement here stems from a deeper disagreement: What is Final Fantasy? Some seem to think that the essence of FF is gameplay; that the underlying story, however interesting it may be, is not what makes it FF. People of this belief would *not* consider SW to be FF since there obviously is no gameplay.

Others, such as myself, have an almost reversed view: that the essence of FF is the story; that the gameplay as you progress through this story, however entertaining it may be, is not what makes it FF. People of this belief *would* consider SW to be FF since there is a very FF-ish story line.

[Ben Rogers]

You couldn't, that's part of the point: some random movie will never be Final Fantasy. It's like a series of unrelated books--there's only one element, the story, to compare them with. Sure, the style of writing is there, but that doesn't really count; Shakespeare's books, or Tim Burton's movies, they're in the same style, but they're not the same series.

Final Fantasy has broad ranges of stories. Saying it has a "FF-like" story is stupid; it's like saying all fantasy books are LOTR, or a book that's written in the same style and tagged with LOtR because the movies were popular, is LOtR because the stories are similiar. No.

The mix of gameplay and story is what makes Final Fantasy. If you take one out, it's not Final Fantasy. Advent Children is FF because the story has already been established within the games, just like the LOtR movies belong as LOtR because their stories are from the books.

Ed.: when I said "Shakespeare's books, or Tim Burton's movies" I didn't mean to imply that Shakespeare and Burton were similair. I meant to imply they both have distinctive styles (styles which are far more distinctive than FF's). You wouldn't call Corpse Bride "The Nightmare Before Christmas II," would you? No. But you're saying that because the style is similair, you should.

[Jeff Mott]

Final Fantasy has broad ranges of stories. Saying it has a "FF-like" story is stupid; it's like saying all fantasy books are LOTRYou are generalizing it more than I would have. The stories do have to be linked by more than simply being in the same genre. It is possible for an author to write multiple, technically unrelated stories that are collectively considered a kind of series. For example, consider the books/films "The Hunt for Red October", "Clear and Present Danger" and "The Sum of All Fears". All are of Tom Clancy's "Jack Ryan" technothrillers. However, despite the prevailing character name and his occupation, each film depicts a distinct Jack Ryan (that is, the Ryan of TSoAF is not the same Ryan of THfRO). Likewise, all of the FF installments were born of the same author (generally speaking, Square), have thematic similarities, and even share prevailing character names.The mix of gameplay and story is what makes Final Fantasy. If you take one out, it's not Final Fantasy. Advent Children is FF because the story has already been established within the gamesYou have contradicted yourself here. You say that if any one of story and gameplay is missing then it is not FF. However, you claim that AC, which is missing one of those two essential pieces, *is* FF. AC continues the story of a FF game, yes, but according to you story is not enough: no gameplay, no FF.

[Ben Rogers]

No, I didn't contradict myself. I'm saying in order for something to be Final Fantasy, it needs to have Final Fantasy gameplay+story. Then, that story, and that gameplay, are both seperately as well as together Final Fantasy. The FF7 story will always be Final Fantasy, no matter the form it's in.

The Spirits Within story is from a movie. A sci-fi movie. Had it not had "Final Fantasy" in the title, and had it not been released by Square, noone'd think "this is a Final Fantasy movie." Had FF8 been released under a different title and publisher, you'd think "FF ripoff." Unless you changed the camera system, then noone'd connect it to FF.

[e-realmz]

Well, the film was about a futuristic, dying Earth. It was a story dealing with imminent Armegeddon. It was a 'what if' story. And fictional stories are 'what ifs' with long answers. Some of those stories are about dreams and imaginings of what it would be like in a certain place and time. They're about creating that period, that environment; fantasizing about various scenarios.

Thinking about it like that, FF: the Spirits Within could be taken as a fantasy of the world in its final stages of life, the scales hinged on those that live on and within the world. Will the world die or survive? So... 'Final Fantasy' is quite an apt title.

(^_^)

Ok where was I? oh yeah,. Wrong! You can call it a fantasy all you want. I mean, science fiction IS fantasy. But this was more sci-fi than ANY of the games in the series.

A fantasy is just that, Fantasy. ( Fiction characterized by highly fanciful or supernatural elements. ) And in this movie, there was a lot of fantasy. And just as you stated, "fantasy of the world in its final stages of life" would be a good way to explain the "final" part.

So the title is good. But the fact that there is already a game with that title is what ruins it. Square pretty much ripped themselves off by creating something way different and giving it a name of something that already exists.

Basically, The Movie Is called Final Fantasy But The Movie Is NOT Final Fantasy.

[Jeff Mott]

You can call it a fantasy all you want. ... But this was more sci-fi than ANY of the games in the seriesFF 7 & 8 also contained fairly high degrees of science fiction rather than fantasy. So where do you draw the line? If a Final Fantasy *game* is made that incorporates just as much, or maybe more science fiction elements than Spirits Within then would you say that game is not a true Final Fantasy? Or would Spirits Within suddenly become Ok?Square pretty much ripped themselves off by creating something way different and giving it a name of something that already exists.In fact, the prevailing fantasy element, that Earth has a spirit, is almost the exact same idea that was used in FF7 (work was beginning on SW at about the same time that FF7 was first being released). Story and thematic-wise SW is as much FF as anything else in the series.

in order for something to be Final Fantasy, it needs to have Final Fantasy gameplay+storyNot that it matters much, but I thought up better wording to explain my point of view: I don't see Final Fantasy as a game, I see Final Fantasy as an idea. And I believe this idea can be visualized through any medium. And that the benefits/drawbacks from one medium to another does not necessarily help or hurt that idea.

[theuedimaster]

What is in a name?

In spirit, pardon the pun, spirits within and the ff series share similar plot lines of earth in a different perspective. Its good to move off into a setting most are not used of.

[Stephen Philbin]

Snitch was wrong about the name, but for very different reasons than Erealmz said. The reason the Final Fantasy series is called that is because they guy that did the first game had made a bunch of other games previously that were complete turnips and massively failed. He decided to have one last try at making a fantasy role playing game, if this didn't work, then he'd have to quit and get a job elsewhere to pay his mounting debts. It was to quite literally be his Final Fantasy. Of course it wasn't though because it was such a massive success that people demanded that he make another. The series was born from that. Hence the name. I don't think I need to state my opinion on the issue any further though, Jeff has already stated the case perfectly and if you disagree with him then you should probably consider taking up rock bashing as a career, because you'll be too stupid to do anything else so there! :P

[Snitchcat]

Ok where was I? oh yeah,. Wrong!First, it's my opinion.
Second, my opinion is not wrong though it doesn't agree with yours.
Third, you have your own opinion.
Fourth, thank you for expressing your opinion in bold text.

A fantasy is just that, Fantasy. ( Fiction characterized by highly fanciful or supernatural elements. ) That is not the definition of Fantasy. 'Highly fanciful' and 'supernatural', while elements of a fantasy work, do not define fantasy. The best definition I have encountered is that Fantasy deals with the improbable.

And in this movie, there was a lot of fantasy. And just as you stated, "fantasy of the world in its final stages of life" would be a good way to explain the "final" part.Yes, there was plenty of fantasy in the film, hence another reason why 'Fantasy' was part of the title.

But the fact that there is already a game with that title is what ruins it. Square pretty much ripped themselves off by creating something way different and giving it a name of something that already exists.

Basically, The Movie Is called Final Fantasy But The Movie Is NOT Final Fantasy.What about the fact that the Japanese culture and thinking influence the film's story, production, etc.? From the vocabularly used here, my impression is, Japanese culture and thinking in film-making should follow the Western equivalent?

Perhaps to the Western mind it makes no sense, or it's a 'rip off' to title a film with the name of an already-successful product. But to the Eastern mind, it would make sense, whether or not that reasoning is explained to the Western audience.

Take for example, 'Howl's Moving Castle' by Miyazaki -- it was originally a novel by Diana Wynne Jones. The anime was Based on the book, but was by no means the book. I expect that a lot of people who went to watch it and had previously read the book would have been very disappointed by the anime if they went expecting the book.

OTOH, if you watch that film as an independent product which is Linked to the book, but Not the book, you will enjoy the film for what it has to offer.

This same can be applied to 'Final Fantasy: the Spirits Within'. (And, IMO, the games are not just about playability or what you see aesthetically. Throughout the entire series, there is a consistent theme and message, and each game comprises many layers, not just the most obvious one or two. FF:tSW partially brings out this message and is still consistent with the FF games thematically.)

[Snitchcat]

Snitch was wrong about the name, but for very different reasons the E said.

Eh? Lol! Ah, I see; I hadn't heard about that bit regarding the film. Thanks for the correction and info. (^_^)

[e-realmz]

FF 7 & 8 also contained fairly high degrees of science fiction rather than fantasy. So where do you draw the line? If a Final Fantasy *game* is made that incorporates just as much, or maybe more science fiction elements than Spirits Within then would you say that game is not a true Final Fantasy? Or would Spirits Within suddenly become Ok?

It was too sci-fi. They can make an FF game that resembles Star trek for all I care. as long as they make reference to previous FF games and have some kind of magic system, its all good.

I'll say it once again, SW had NOTHING to do with the FF series.


In fact, the prevailing fantasy element, that Earth has a spirit, is almost the exact same idea that was used in FF7 (work was beginning on SW at about the same time that FF7 was first being released). Story and thematic-wise SW is as much FF as anything else in the series.

Who cares when the two were made. I saw a lot of FF7 in the movie myself. It still doesn't relate it to an FF game.


Not that it matters much, but I thought up better wording to explain my point of view: I don't see Final Fantasy as a game, I see Final Fantasy as an idea. And I believe this idea can be visualized through any medium. And that the benefits/drawbacks from one medium to another does not necessarily help or hurt that idea.

You are right. It is an idea. Now Im going to make this clear once and for all.

1. In my opinion as an FF player since the start, I didn't get the same feeling while watching the movie as the feeling that EVERY SINGLE FF game gave me when I played and beat them. Square made non-FF-named games that felt more like FF than the movie did. It was something completely new and it would have passed for a movie with ANY name.

2. Like I said, it was a great movie. I would watch it every year. Its just something different. I don't care about the name. They can keep the name and be buried with it for all I care. It wasn't about the name to begin with.

3. I am the king of the world. Bow down and worship me you mere mortals.

As for AC, I can't wait to see it. The trailers and screenshots are awsome. :D

[Stephen Philbin]

as long as they make reference to previous FF games

What are you talking about? No Final Fantasy ever references another.

[e-realmz]

OMFG. This is going to lead to me not ever getting any web developement help from you isnt it??? Cause if so, I'll stop now.

Every FF game had a reference to a previous game. Everyone knows that. Name a summon, character, spell, weapon, song or the ever famous moogles and you will find them in at least two, if not more, of the games.

[gchick]

yeah..like quetzacotl appeared on 7 and 8...bahamut's also my aeon on ffx

[Ben Rogers]

The presence of magic. The theme of fighting, and warriors...etc. Strategic fighting, characters complimenting each other, etc.

[Jeff Mott]

Name a summon, character, spell, weapon, song or the ever famous moogles and you will find them in at least two, if not more, of the gamesWell, to be technically correct, the games don't really reference each other in this way, they just all reference the same sources of mythology and religion. However, if this is your definition then Spirits Within qualifies; "Sid" being the most obvious example.

[Stephen Philbin]

OMFG. This is going to lead to me not ever getting any web developement help from you isnt it??? Cause if so, I'll stop now.

Every FF game had a reference to a previous game. Everyone knows that. Name a summon, character, spell, weapon, song or the ever famous moogles and you will find them in at least two, if not more, of the games.

Please stop flying off the handle. Is it our fault you don't know the difference between a direct reference to one thing, and recurring themes and elements of other sources? No. So please stop ranting incoherrantly at people.

[e-realmz]

Now you are just being an idiot. Is it my fault you don't know how to respectfully debate a topic or even take a little humor. And your a mod? lol. I'll just be on my way now and since you are going to reply to this, I'll just let you have the last word. My beliefs are still the same and once again I will tell you, its opinion and it will stay that way. FF+SW=NO!!! Take care. :)

[Ben Rogers]

All right. Well, I think we've established that we're not going to come to a point on this--let me just say I think my last post of significance was ignored. Thanks, realmz, for stepping out there, but I just kind of wanted to reiterate that, so that the flamings and closings and etc...yeah.

[Jeff Mott]

The presence of magic. The theme of fighting, and warriors...etc. Strategic fighting, characters complimenting each other, etc.This characterizes almost *any* RPG game, and even some non-RPG games, and even some non-video games. If this is your definition of a Final Fantasy game then it needs a lot more work.

[Jeff Mott]

Here is an interesting list of FF themes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy#Common_themes

[Ben Rogers]

Mott: I was adding onto the previous post by listing some things that are needed for it to be a FF game. FF is an RPG, it characterizes RPGs, and is characterized by them. It's not full, obviously, but in a "Guess Who?" kind of way, it works.

Also, that was not what I meant by my last post of significance.

[Jeff Mott]

Also, that was not what I meant by my last post of significance.Well, you needed to be more specific then...

[Ben Rogers]

Having or expressing a meaning; meaningful.I think I was: I said my last post that actually said something.

[Jeff Mott]

I think I was: I said my last post that actually said something.Sorry, I didn't realize your post that I had quoted was actually saying nothing.

[Ben Rogers]

Lol. It was adding on to its predecessor. It couldn't stand on it's own. But I don't even remember which post I meant, and I'm confident enough iny my view not to care.

[Snitchcat]

Whhheeeee!!!!! Woohoo!!!! Whhhheeee!!!









That is all. (^_^)

[Ultimater]

FF7: Advent Children (http://webdeveloper.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79207)