I need help again for the umpteenth

[neenach2002]

How do i make links appear on the left and text appear in the center of my pages???
:D :D :D :confused: :confused: :confused:

[DaveSW]

You have a choice.

1) Use a table. Two cells, one on the left with width (e.g.) 150px, the other unspecified, links in the left cell, text in the right.

2) CSS positioning. Separate your content into two divs, with this in the links div:

style="position: absolute; left: 0px; top: 0px; width:150px;"

and

style="position: absolute; left: 160px; top: 0px;"

for the main content.

Hope this helps

Dave:D

[Charles]

From the HTML 4.01 Specification, http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/tables.html#h-11.1
Tables should not be used purely as a means to layout document content as this may present problems when rendering to non-visual media. Additionally, when used with graphics, these tables may force users to scroll horizontally to view a table designed on a system with a larger display. To minimize these problems, authors should use style sheets to control layout rather than tables.Furthermore, make sure that your page makes sense when the CSS isn't working and put your links at the bottom of the page in those casses. Visually impaired users using audio browsers do not want to listen to the same list of links at the start of each page.

[DaveSW]

Some browsers mess up css positioning, leaving everything dumped in the top left corner. My customers seem to be mostly in this category. Therefore, correctly used, a two cell table is a safer option for some people.

Dave

[Charles]

You may, however, be exposing your customers to accesibility law suits. A better solution is to use the @import rule to hide the positioning from those version 4 browsers that have trouble. Or you can use a server side sniff.

[DaveSW]

If it doesn't look good on the customers screen, I for one wouldn't expect them to pay for it. The BBC uses tables. How many law suits are they facing?

As my brother (a lawyer) informs me, we could all be facing law suits anyway for copyright breach and to some extent patent breach for the html tags themselves, among other things. The hyperlink case only failed because it was used before the patent claim was registered.

Dave

[khalidali63]

Sticking to standards is lways a prefered action,however,we do not live in a perfect world therefor I think,trying the best to implement standards and use whatever works is probaly a safe way,until the time when we have everything standard compliant.

:D

Just my 1 cent on this topic.

[khaki]

my suggestion.... and I'm not trying to be a smart-*ss... is:

create 2 pages.
One page for the v4 people who cannot properly view style...
and one page for the rest of humanity that can.

If you dislike the idea of creating 2 pages... (and who wouldn't!!!)
then create for the "present" and "future" and leave the "old" ways behind (or else YOU yourself will become "old" and be left behind as a web designer/developer).

So unless YOUR particular clients "require" that you code specifically for v4's...
then you should code for the majority who have elected to upgrade thier browsers to take advantage of the current technology and standards.

I see it as a choice:
Either force v4 users to upgrade...
or...
downgrade and retard your own skills to accomodate them.
(it doesn't seem like a difficult choice to me)

that's MY 2 cents (and just for the record: I have thousands of pennies in jars all over the house... so there is plenty more where this came from. lol)
;) k

[neenach2002]

but,how do I use the tables, what is the code for it???

[khaki]

well....
i disagree with your choice of using tables for layout...

but here is the basics:

<table border="1">
<tr>
<td>links</td>
<td>text</td>
</tr>
</table>

(this begins your journey into become a slave to using tables for layout. You have been warned! lol)
:)

;) k

[khalidali63]

LOL....they forgot about your actual question..

here try this link..I have it work on images,but instead of images replace that part with text and it should work.
NOTE:
replace image tag with may be <span> and add an id attribute

http://68.145.35.86/skills/javascripts/DisplayTwoImagesClickOver.html

[neenach2002]

aqlso, what is the code for the other option...and how do I use frames, they always got messed up on my site!!!

[DaveSW]

More specifically for a table
<TABLE WIDTH="100%" CELLPADDING="0" CELLSPACING="0" HEIGHT="100%">
<TR> <TD WIDTH="150" VALIGN="TOP" >
links content</TD>
<TD VALIGN="TOP"> page content </TD>
</TR>
</TABLE>

This sets the menu width to 150, and the page content fills the rest of the page.

dave

[neenach2002]

where does the table code go???

[khaki]

your cracking me up neenach2002...

i clicked on the link to "your" site...
and you've got TABLES, JAVASCRIPT, <DIV> tags, Server Variables, etc, etc, etc.

i don't know how to help you...
are you just yanking-chain...
or are you for real?

:confused: k

[neenach2002]

i'm trying to make the links section on the left.

[Charles]

A couple of quick points, the BBC uses the two page method, one with tables and one without. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/text_only.stm). And the place to go with all your HTML questions in the HTML 4.01 Specification. It'll tell you everything that you need to know about how to mark up tables, frames and everything else. (http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/)

[DaveSW]

What are you using to make your web pages?

[neenach2002]

i'm not sure yet, I really don't like the look of the pages using your table method, because it pushes the page over to the right...frames will do the same thing...having a drop-down menu would be nice, but someone said in another post that the JavaScript coding doesn't work on Angelfire. If you know how to fix the drop-down menu problem, please let me know. The Test page using tables is located here.
http://www.angelfire.com/dragon/dbseries/Test.html
And what do you think of the layout of my site as it is???
http:://www.angelfire.com/dragon/dbseries

[DaveSW]

try a different background on the left table cell. And possibly center it. Also a % width might be best for the left cell - 10% or something

Your present layout might be ok if the manu was at the bottom and the page content was above it.

I think the poll should go under the main content in any case.

[neenach2002]

You are the first person to suggest any changes. How would I make the "Links" section of the test page have a different background color??? How do i make the left cell 10%???

[DaveSW]

Happy birthday for tuesday neenach2002!!!!

[DaveSW]

What I usually do is change the body tag to
<BODY BACKGROUND="back.gif">
and make a one pixel high by 2000 wide gif. first 150 cells one color, the rest another.

Alternately, <TD bgcolor="FF0000"> or any hexidecimal color would work.

[DaveSW]

Changing width is easy.
<TABLE WIDTH="100%" CELLPADDING="0" CELLSPACING="0">
<TR> <TD WIDTH="10%" VALIGN="TOP" >
links content</TD>
<TD VALIGN="TOP"> page content </TD>
</TR>
</TABLE>

notice the width is % not px now.

The height 100% in the original code shouldn't have been there either - next to cell spacing

[neenach2002]

Thanx...

[neenach2002]

So the background color code would go in the place where you have the word "links" before the links themselves. Thanx.

Now the a long red line appears and is going the length of the page, it has also pushed the actual links down a lot...how do I fix this???

[DaveSW]

I'm not sure exactly what you mean but it goes inside the tag

<TABLE WIDTH="100%" CELLPADDING="0" CELLSPACING="0">
<TR> <TD WIDTH="10%" VALIGN="TOP" bgcolor="FF0000">
links content</TD>
<TD VALIGN="TOP"> page content </TD>
</TR>
</TABLE>

[DaveSW]

I've gotta go out now but I'll be back about 8 gmt. cya

[khaki]

hmmmm....

before Dave returns to answer the next inevitable question from you...
I would suggest replacing this line:

<meta NAME="Description" CONTENT="An Awesome Dragonball Z Site created by Scott Luther on 4-8-03">

with this

<meta NAME="Description" CONTENT="An Awesome Dragonball Z Site created by DaveSW on 4-26-03">
LOL

:rolleyes: sorry... couldn't resist :eek:

;) k

[neenach2002]

i'll put this <META NAME="Description" CONTENT="An Awesome Dragonball Z Site created by Scott Luther on 4-8-03. DaveSW helped in the creation of this site">
!!!
Here is the page I am now having trouble with
Test Page (http://www.angelfire.com/dragon/dbseries/Test.html)
The red line is still going all the way down the page, andis very distracting. I believe it draws unwanted attention to itself, what color would be cool looking without drawing to much attention to itself??

[khaki]

first of all...
i was just playing around about the meta tag thing (so i hope you realize that)

secondly... i checked the page in Netscape7 and Opera6.02 and IE5.0 and I don't see any red line at all.
:confused:

what browser are you using to view it?
;) k

[neenach2002]

IEx not sure. hmmm...i'm talking about a very thick red line about " thick or so, you don't see it, strange...
Test Page (http://www.angelfire.com/dragon/dbseries/Test.html)

Not really a line, but it's a background, I just want a color that won't draw attention to itself but looks cool!!!

[DaveSW]

Hi - I'm back.

Khaki can't see it because she knows it should be there if you see what I mean. The hex color I mentioned (bgcolor="FF0000"> ) happened to be red. if you want grey, try #808080 is the code. All colors have different codes.

http://www.visibone.com/colorlab/ will give you the web safe colors. Pick one you think goes well, and take the number value. When you click them the number appears on the left.

Dave

[neenach2002]

ok, is there a site that hosts forums for other sites???

please tell me what you think now
Test Page (http://www.angelfite.com/dragon/dbseries/Test.html)

and how do I make the "line" shorter

[DaveSW]

I like it. I suggest you try

<STYLE TYPE="text/css">body{margin:0px;}</STYLE>

in the header section to remove page margins.


http://www.phpbb.com offer free forum software. Alternately have you seen http://www.bravenet.com ?

[DaveSW]

Where you have

<TD VALIGN="TOP"><html>


<basefont size="6">

try taking out the basefont line, or reducing the number. I think the text's a bit large.

I'll have to try the height thing on my other pc. won't be long

[neenach2002]

I have failed to see what the code you gave me does(the margin one), but I added it anyways.

Thanks for the forum download thing!!!

[DaveSW]

The margin code takes the table right the way to the edge of the page. It has worked - I could see the difference when I looked at the site. If you look closely, the colored bar is right up against the left and bottom edges. It doesn't affect the top because you have a table outside the main content page which is pushing everything else down.

[neenach2002]

I see it now!!!!! Much cleaner looking...I'm signing up for Bravenet now...couldn't figure out the other thing...LOL

[neenach2002]

I really wish I could have a forum that looks like this one...the one I have now looks like crap!!!!!!!!!

[DaveSW]

If you really want a 'nice' forum try sending a pm to pyro. he knows a lot about that kind of thing, and could probably tell you what to do with the phpbb link. He usually recommends that one LOL.

By the way, I'm making some code to improve your menu... Are there any other colors that go with the subject? black, white, grey, how about orange??

[neenach2002]

So, is there a way to fix the drop-down menu's problem with angelfire's hosting service???

[neenach2002]

hmmm...any color that doesn't stand out too much, but doesn't make my site look bad would be nice, personally, I really like the gray color!!! Thanks!!!:D

[DaveSW]

I don't know about the drop down menu, but this should improve the 'look'. Drop it in the Head section by the other margin code.


<STYLE TYPE="text/css">A:link {
text-decoration: none;
font-weight: bold;
color: #ffffff;
background: #666666;
}

A:visited {
text-decoration: none;
font-weight: bold;
color: #ffffcc;
background: #666666;
}

A:active {
text-decoration: none;
font-weight: bold;
color: #ffffff;
background: #666666;
}

A:hover {
text-decoration: none;
color: #666666;
background: #ffffcc;
}

A.offsite {
text-decoration: none;
font-weight: normal;
color: #ffffcc;
background: #666666;
}
</STYLE>

[khaki]

Khaki can't see it because she knows it should be there if you see what I mean.What is THAT supposed to mean?!!!
:confused: :confused: :confused:

I see a gray table column background now...
but there was NO color (other than black) at the time that I mentioned it in my post.

:confused: :eek: :(
k

[neenach2002]

DAMN!!! That rocks!!! I'm now going to officially chang that to my home page...so...that code pasted on all of my pages...will do that same thing...to my other pages...man this is going to take forever......

[DaveSW]

Khaki: When I looked there was a red background. I thought you were looking for a line across the page which seemed to me to be what was described. Sorry if I was wrong. :o

[DaveSW]

Should keep you busy till your birthday at least neenach2002!!!
:D LOL

[khaki]

and how do I make the "line" shorter ... just so that you are aware...

the reason the "line" (background color) is so long, is because you are now designing your page using TABLE layout.

you were warned ;)

but now the only way to "shorten" it, is to add another row (which means even more tags...)

and it only escalates every time you want or need to make design changes to your page.

but hey... you were warned (worth repeating) ;)

and now that Dave has introduced CSS to your page... you might as well go all the way and just do the layout in CSS to spare you further grief (and nested tables :eek: )

also...
you have no <html> tag at the top of your page. It's sitting at the top of your right column.
and... you have your </body> and </html> sitting above the closing tags for the right column.

You need to move those to their proper locations (<html> at the very top... and </body></html> at the very bottom).

;) k

[neenach2002]

i am just curious, but what do those html tags do for my page???

[neenach2002]

how do i make a link on a page in a subdirectory link to a page in another subdirectory???

[DaveSW]

You should also put
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> right at the very top and <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> with your other meta tags. These (and the html tag) basically tell the browser what they're looking at - and saves it guessing.

[DaveSW]

"..\" moves it up a level in the folder tree. Then put the link in as you would from the main directory

[neenach2002]

i figured it out... all i have to do is type "/" before the subdirectory i want it to look for the page or file in!!!

[khaki]

i really really really am not saying this to be mean...
but...

you really need to slow down a bit.

unfortunately i don't have the time to teach you the basics of html right now... but you should definietly take some time to try to learn it for yourself (there are endless resources on the subject).

ya gotta crawl before you can walk...
and ya gotta walk before you can run.
I think that maybe you are still kinda in the crawling stage.

It will do you good to try to learn the basics before you proceed too much further (or else you will always be dependent on others to tell you how to fix your pages).

that's just some more friendly advice (although you ignored my last bit of advice :eek: ).

good luck and happy learning...
;) k

[neenach2002]

can someone help me fix this page (http://www.angelfire.com/dragon/dbseries/Characters/Characters.html) ???

I don't know why but the Head of the page is not aligned with the body how I would like it to be
!!!

[khaki]

can someone help me fix this page ??? SEE!

I didn't say what i said in my other post to be mean...
I said it because I knew what was coming next :rolleyes: (or else you will always be dependent on others to tell you how to fix your pages)
;) k

[DaveSW]

Well if you look the title is outside of the table...

[neenach2002]

i do know the basics, i just need some help with JS usually...look at this page (http://angelfire.com/dragon/dbseries) I did all of it without any help...thanks for the advice though

[khaki]

I wrote:you have no <html> tag at the top of your page. It's sitting at the top of your right column.
and... you have your </body> and </html> sitting above the closing tags for the right column.
You need to move those to their proper locations (<html> at the very top... and </body></html> at the very bottom).
You wrote:i am just curious, but what do those html tags do for my page???and i do know the basics, i just need some help with JS usually...look at this page I did all of it without any help...thanks for the advice though fair enough.
you r all set then :rolleyes:

i give...
;)k

[neenach2002]

weird...why is the left gray on this page (http://www.angelfire.com/dragon/dbseries/Forum/Forum.html) so short???

[khaki]

weird...why is the left gray on this page so short??? Basically it's because the content does not stretch the page....
so the 100% height does not exceed the page's viewing area.

(but you knew that :rolleyes: LOL)

;) k

[neenach2002]

i didn't say I know everything...how do i make a link refer to the original directory that the subdirectory with the page with the link on it is in???

[DaveSW]

have you tried putting ../filename.htm?

[neenach2002]

yes i have...it doesn't work...

[DaveSW]

can you post your code please? It works for me!

[neenach2002]

yes i can...

<a href=”../dragon/dbseries/index.html”>Home</a><br>

[DaveSW]

try
<a href=”../index.html”>Home</a><br>

[neenach2002]

still not working...:(

[neenach2002]

ALL of the pages on my website have been updated...EVERY SINGLE PAGE has the links section on right and all... and DaveSW said Should keep you busy till your birthday at least neenach2002!!!

[DaveSW]

does that mean you've got the link working now? If not, paste the full url address off your browser for the index.

[neenach2002]

ok...here it is...
www.angelfire.com/dragon/dbseries

it doesn't work either though.....

[DaveSW]

You've got

font size="5">Areas</font>

<p>

<a href=”../dragon/dbseries/index.html”>Home</a><br>

change to
<a href=”../index.html”>Home</a>

or

<a href=”http://www.angelfire.com/dragon/dbseries/index.html”>Home</a><br>


Dave

[neenach2002]

it's working now!!! Thanks!!!

[neenach2002]

ok...i'm trying to put a little thing that will be fun on my website... but i need help. here are some of the instructions for the code...

<!-- STEP TWO: Insert the onLoad event handler into your BODY tag -->

<BODY OnLoad="init()">

<!-- STEP THREE: Copy this code into the BODY of your HTML document

what is the difference between BODY tags and BODY is the tag "<BODY>"???

[neenach2002]

oh... and I still want to have the layout for the rest of my site on this page if possible!!!...but, well take a look for yourself the code is located here (http://javascript.internet.com/games/ants.html) ...but i can't get it to work on my site... click here (http://www.angelfire.com/dragon/dbseries/Games/Ants.html) to view the page I MADE following the instructions here (http://javascript.internet.com/games/ants.html)

[khaki]

khaki wrote : you really need to slow down a bit.

unfortunately i don't have the time to teach you the basics of html right now... but you should definietly take some time to try to learn it for yourself (there are endless resources on the subject).

ya gotta crawl before you can walk...
and ya gotta walk before you can run.
I think that maybe you are still kinda in the crawling stage.

It will do you good to try to learn the basics before you proceed too much further (or else you will always be dependent on others to tell you how to fix your pages).neenach2002 wrote : i do know the basics, i just need some help with JS usuallyneenach2002 wrote : what is the difference between BODY tags and BODY is the tag "<BODY>"???well... Ive been advising you all along...
but you don't want to hear anything except the solution to your next problem.

Well... here is the difference between "into" the <body> tag and "between" the <body> tags:

<body this is IN the body tag >

<body>
this is between the body tags
</body>

As for myself personaly....
this is the last bit of help that I will give you.
You really need to learn basic html.
Otherwise... it is everybody except you who is building your pages for you.

And if there are people here who want to continue to spend thier time building your pages for you... that's thier choice.
But personally I think that you are doing a diservice to yourself - and they are doing a diservice to you - to continue helping someone who has no interest in helping himself.

Sorry if that sounds harsh... but honestly...
You don't know the purpose of the <html> tags: [I]neenach2002 wrote : i am just curious, but what do those html tags do for my page???and you don't understand the <body> tag...

Yet you refuse to accept that you have no ability whatsoever to create pages without constant help at every step of the way.

So... maybe what I've written sounds harsh...
but then again... maybe it's the harsh reality.
... and my true intention is to help you :rolleyes:

sorry :(

;) k

[neenach2002]

...I WAS MAKING SURE, I followed the directions exactly as it said to...IT DIDN'T WORK...SO I ASKED FOR HELP...then I realized I already knew the answer...
THANX FOR THE HELP!!!!!!!!!:D :D :D :cool: :cool: :cool:


However...it still doesn't work...does anyone know if the problem lies in the code provided, or in the instructions??? I want this to work..:( :( :(

[khaki]

getting mad at me....

will not help you....

but if it makes you feel better....
then go ahead :rolleyes:

but really...
you should try to learn the basics
(but no one can force you... so...)

oh.... and I looked at your page.
among other things... you have three <body> tags.
(basics... ;) lol)

i'd rather if you weren't mad at me...
but i can take it... so...
;)

[neenach2002]

if you think i'm mad then you don't know me as well as you COULD...i RARELY if EVER get mad... I NEVER get mad at other people, just things. YELING LIKE THIS DOES NOT MEAN I"M MAD if I were mad I would put this :mad: on my post at the end of my post, i was merely trying to make a point...oh, BTW your mailbox is full, and i'd like to PM you...

[neenach2002]

also, i am unable to find three body tags, i have found one set of body tags like <body...> </body>
when you say three are you counting <BODY...> and </BODY> as two???

[khaki]

well...
i'm glad that your not mad (at me)

and yeah... my inbox has been full for a while now.
actually i think it's best that way (since i only answer posted questions on the forum anyway)

and...
my best advice to you is..
learn what all of this is...
and what it does...
and you will be so much further ahaed of the game than you are right now:

<html>
<head>
<title></title>
</head>
<body>
</body>
</html>

and the 3 <body> tags are located at:
Line 372
Line 421
Line 551
(and there is - correctly - only 1 closing </body> tag)

good luck :)
;) k

[neenach2002]

you counted the lines?????


well then... if what you say is true

and...
my best advice to you is..
learn what all of this is...
and what it does...
and you will be so much further ahaed of the game than you are right now:

[/B]
then i am so much further ahead of the game than i am now...ya know why...'cause i know what all of those tags do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...LOL:D :D :D :cool: :cool: :cool:

[khaki]

:) great !

you r all set then !

my work here is done ;)

[neenach2002]

Originally posted by khaki
your cracking me up neenach2002...

i clicked on the link to "your" site...
and you've got TABLES, JAVASCRIPT, <DIV> tags, Server Variables, etc, etc, etc.

i don't know how to help you...
are you just yanking-chain...
or are you for real?

:confused: k
what's wrong with <div> tags(i do know what they do!!!)??? what are server variables???

[DaveSW]

Originally posted by khaki
... just so that you are aware...

the reason the "line" (background color) is so long, is because you are now designing your page using TABLE layout.

you were warned ;)

but now the only way to "shorten" it, is to add another row (which means even more tags...)


Actually there are other ways. I'd go for putting

<DIV style="bgcolor:#666666;">all your menu inside this</DIV>

and then removing the bgcolor from the table cell.

By the way, Khaki didn't 'count the lines'. Some coding software numbers the lines.

Dave

Hey look - my 200th post!!

[khaki]

Hey look - my 200th post!! I knew that!

;) k
edit: and about half of them in this thread alone! lol

[DaveSW]

You do actually have three body tags on that page::(

<BODY bgcolor="#000000" text="#ffffff" link="#0000ff" alink="#800080" vlink="#ff0000">

and

<BODY>

and

</HEAD>

<BODY OnLoad="init()">

Try moving </HEAD> above the first body tag and deleting the rest. Then add OnLoad="init()" in so it looks like

<BODY OnLoad="init()" bgcolor="#000000" text="#ffffff" link="#0000ff" alink="#800080" vlink="#ff0000" >

I'm not sure about the order there though.

[DaveSW]

30 actually Khaki! To your 16 :eek: LOL

EDIT: Yes i'm sad. I counted them...

[neenach2002]

sorry i'm only respondong now...I had school...:( :( :(

[neenach2002]

Originally posted by DaveSW
Actually there are other ways. I'd go for putting

<DIV style="bgcolor:#666666;">all your menu inside this</DIV>

and then removing the bgcolor from the table cell.

By the way, Khaki didn't 'count the lines'. Some coding software numbers the lines.

Dave

Hey look - my 200th post!!
...i think it would look stupid if it didn't go all the way to the end of the page...where would the "div" tags go???

[neenach2002]

i think i fixed the body tags now, but it still doesn't work!!!!!!!

[neenach2002]

is there a way to keep someone from using the back button on a browser window to go back??????

[DaveSW]

Where have you fixed the body tags? there are still 2 opening tags that I can see...

Just before the start of the angelfire code is

<BODY bgcolor="#000000" text="#ffffff" link="#0000ff" alink="#800080" vlink="#ff0000">

and then there's a plain <BODY> tag further down.

You still have:

</div>

</BODY>

</html>

</a>
<!-- ^- End Pass-it-on Gear Code -^ -->

<p>

<center><img src="/cgi-bin/Count.cgi"></center>

<p>
</TD>
</TR>
</TABLE>

at the end.
</BODY>
and
</html>
should be the two very last things in the code.


As for the script, you don't appear to have uploaded the ants files, which I have attached here. Put them in the same folder as the website page. Then try it. Then report back. There are a few other things it says to do as well, like changing the picture urls to end with a '/'.

But then, do you really need it just yet? Does it add to your site?

[neenach2002]

...are you talking about the body tags on my homepage??? I did upload the files and put a "/" after the url's...

I don't know why, but my little ants thing still doesn't work…is there something wrong with code posted on this (http://javascript.internet.com/games/ants.html) website???

[khaki]

i still see TWO <body> tags in YOUR page...
and you want people to look at the code in a different page to see if there is "something wrong" with THAT one?

it's obvious where the problem is...
are you willing to address it?

if so...
debug your page so that it is a clean and BASIC html page.
THEN (and only then) will I try to help you (as i have been trying to do all along! :rolleyes: )

;) k

[neenach2002]

what page is everyone talking about??? the "ants" page or my "home" page...
i still can only find ONE <body> tag...
and it just so happens i use ctrl-f and type in "<body> to fin everything with <body> in it!!!!!:D

[khaki]

BOTH!!!

[neenach2002]

HOW IN THE WORLD DO I CONATACT ANGELFIRE???
maybe you guys can answer this question...

If I make two angelfire accounts and have one of them devoted to file storage and the other to my website, and i link to the files on the "other" account am i remote loading???

[khaki]

and it just so happens i use ctrl-f and type in "<body> to fin everything with <body> in it!!!!! You need to search for :

<body

(not <body> ... because you have code inside the body tag)

and when you DO search...
you will find TWO <body> tags.

fix your pages... then ask for help.
I'm not answering anymore of your questions until i see that you are really serious about needing help (all this other extraneous stuff is just nonesense).

[neenach2002]

...well... I can ONLY FIND TWO BODY TAGS when I go to the actual page... when I look in the editor, there is only ONE!!!!!!!!...this must have something to do with angelfire...:D :D :D

[neenach2002]

here is what the code that DOES NOT SHOW up in the HTML EDITOR on angelfire...they must put it in themselves or something!!!!!!


<BODY>
<table width="468" cellspadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" align="center">
<tr>
<td width="468"><IFRAME SRC="http://ln.doubleclick.net/adi/af.ln/memberembedded;h=misc;sz=468x60;!category=gaming;!category=tobacco;!category=adult;!category=sexualo vertones;ord=63437520411112?" width=468 height=60 frameborder=0 border=0 marginheight=0 marginwidth=0 vspace=0 scrolling=no></IFRAME></td>
<!--gd bye snuggle buddy <td width="468"><a href="http://r.hotbot.com/r/af_member_rhap_img/http://music.lycos.com/rhapsody/" target="_new"><img src="http://af.lygo.com/i/rhap_burn_468_3.gif" width="468" height="60" border="0"/></a></td>-->
</table

what in the world does this code even do?????

[neenach2002]

is there a way to keep someone from using the back button on a browser window to go back??????
well...is there...i geuss this question was never seen by anyone...

[Falconix]

Well.. you could use javascript on the page that links to the page that can't be gone back from. There is a way to remove the bar of buttons that the back button is on. However...

A) This doesn't work in all browsers
B) The user will usually have an alternative method to get back
C) Why on earth would you want to do this? I haven't read the first part of the post but... I just don't get it.

[neenach2002]

just wanted to know...i once saw something in which you could only use the back button BEFORE a page finished loading...

so, do you think angelfire put that code on there???

[khaki]

so, do you think angelfire put that code on there??? absolutely NOT.

you have so much copy/paste code in your pages that it is obvious to everyone (except you) as to why you are having trouble.

if you know the basics (like to say that you do)... fix it.
it's so easy it makes my brain ache that you continue to post statements blaming everyone except yourself for your poorly pasted pages.

and as i've said...
until you show that you are serious...
no help from me.

:eek: k

[neenach2002]

however...the second <BODY> tag DOES NOT SHOW UP in the HTNL editor on ANGELFIRE!!!!! Here, i'll even send my username and password to you guys so you can see for yourself!!!!!

[neenach2002]

never mind your mailbox is full... i'll just post the stuff here...

when you are done, please log out...and please UNCHECK the "Keep Me Loged In..." Box...thanx
Username:
dragon/dbseries

Password:
dragon
then click web-shell...then go to the directory "Games"...then click ont "Ants.html" then click "Edit" then do a find for "<BODY
it will only come up once...

[khaki]

never mind your mailbox is full... i'll just post the stuff here... yeah... full again... :rolleyes: ... so what else is new... lol!

...okay so listen... first things first:
make sure that you change your password ASAP!!!
(i'm serious)

secondly...
I looked at your page and I looked at the Javascript.com location where you got this "ants" script from.
So....
try this:

change:
var dir = "http://www.angelfire.com/dragon/dbseries";

to:
var dir = "http://www.angelfire.com/dragon/dbseries/games/";

that is where your ants are.
ALTHOUGH!!!!!!!...
the ants are BLACK.
you background is BLACK.
:eek:

unless you have the skills to make white ants....
this won't work on your pages as you have designed them :rolleyes:

And now .... for whatever reason...
you only have ONE <body> tag :eek:

okay... that's it for one night.
don't forget to change your password.

and don't let the bed-bugs bite...
;) k

[neenach2002]

now go to my website, and look at the code for the ants page, THERE ARE STILL TWO tags!!!

[khaki]

well if it's Angelfire that is altering the contents of your pages... then stop using them.

go to :https://www.brinkster.com/Registration/

i know that it supports ASP... but not PHP (?)

sorry... but i really can't be bothered trying to de-bug pages that are altered by the host provider (if in fact they are the ones doing it)

let me know when you get set-up someplace else (if you still need help)

till then... (?)...
;) k

[neenach2002]

that is the only page that was altered though!!!maybe the code i put on there does that, even tohugh I didn't put the second <body> tag on....it must be part of the ads that angelfire put on their websites!!!!

[khaki]

just try writing the page from scratch (a brand-new empty page)

then you will know whether Angelfire puts it there...
or if you did.

(especially since it's the ONLY page that contains it)

otherwise...
dunno...
;) k

[neenach2002]

will do...i'm going to copy and paste the original ants code...

[neenach2002]

ok... now my original ants page looks different. here (http://www.angelfire.com/dragon/dragon/dbseries/Games/Ants.html) is the original and here (http://www.angelfire.com/dragon/dbseries/Games/Ants2.html) is the new, start from scratch page

[khaki]

ummm....

you need to give this an opening <script> tag:

createLoadBar(240, 20, 1, "#000000", "#cccccc", "#999999", "MS Sans serif,Arial,Helvetica", 1, "<b>Loading ants, please wait...</b>");
</script>

;) k

[neenach2002]

now nothing shows up at all...go here (http://www.angelfire.com/dragon/dbseries/Games/Ants2.html) to see it now....

[neenach2002]

welll no one has replied...

[khaki]

welll no one has replied... your still using Angelfire :eek:

I already told you that I won't help again until you eliminate what you claim is the cause of your problems.

sorry :(

;) k

[neenach2002]

...well...i just want you to look at the second ants page...

[neenach2002]

since...I GOT IT TO WORK!!!!!!!!!!
click here (http://www.angelfire.com/dragon/dbseries/Games/Ants.html)

[brendandonhue]

Doesn't look like its workin to me...
I get a script error in line six thirty something and all that loads is the banner and the Free JS Provided By....

[neenach2002]

try it now...i forgot to rename the file...LOL...

[khaki]

...well...i just want you to look at the second ants page... okay i looked :rolleyes:

since...I GOT IT TO WORK!!!!!!!!!! oh yeah?
ya think?
no... not working.

and by the way...
i took a sample of 4 pages from your site.
all of then have 2 <body> tags.
some have 1 closing </body> tag..
the rest have none.

move your pages to a different host.
i'm serious... no more trying to help you...
do you realize how ridiculous this has become? :(

do whatever you want... but if i see another link with angelfire in it...
i will just ignore your posts.

so ultimately...
it's your choice... :rolleyes:

;) k

[neenach2002]

IT DOES WORK!!!!!

[khaki]

IT DOES WORK!!!!! okay...
in Netscape7 it works as follows:
undefined

in Opera6.02 it works as follows:
NOTHING at all

in IE5.0 it works as follows:
a square box slowly follows the cursor across the page (as my browser frantically scrolls and unscrolls for no good reason)... and as a bonus... the page never finishes loading!

CONGRATULATIONS!
you have created something so annoying that i no longer care if you ever get it to work properly or not :rolleyes:

sorry neenach2002, but THAT has been a total waste of everybody's time :rolleyes: (in my opinion)

;) k

[neenach2002]

hey khaki...just wanted to tell you that i'm still going to use angelfire...it seems to me that you are not willing to let me make my own decision, however, i will simply have an auto-redirect to another page on like brinkster or something...

[neenach2002]

welll it works fine in IE 5.5!!!!!!

[khaki]

khaki wrote:
so ultimately...
it's your choice...
neenach2002 wrote:
it seems to me that you are not willing to let me make my own decision okay Einstien...
you've ruined my life... but i'll try to get over it :)

good luck... i've done about as much as can be expected (and more! :eek: ) , but i really do hope that you get this sorted out.

take care.

;) k

[neenach2002]

you wrote
move your pages to a different host.
i'm serious... no more trying to help you...
and
do whatever you want... but if i see another link with angelfire in it...
i will just ignore your posts.

therefore it appears to me that you will not help me if I USE ANGELFIRE, that is WRONG. You are saying that you won't help me unless I DON"T USE ANGELFIRE ANYMORE!!!!!

[khaki]

therefore it appears to me that you will not help me if I USE ANGELFIRE, that is WRONG. am I not allowed to make MY own decisions?

(and just for the record... the answer is YES... i won't help you if that is what I have to contend with :( sorry )

the help that you get here is volluntary and unselfish. I provided volluntary and unselfish help to you (even if it is not what you wanted to hear).
I'm sorry if you cannot understand that.

but ultimately... i don't feel the need to bang my head against a wall AND be criticized for how I handle it. Especially when I am trying to offer positive suggestions.

this is where we part ways.... but i honestly and seriously hope that you find the help and the solutions that you need :)

;) k

[neenach2002]

DID I NOT SAY THAT I AM GOING TO USE BRINKSTER...see for yourself
just wanted to tell you that i'm still going to use angelfire...however, i will simply have an auto-redirect to another page on like brinkster or something...

[neenach2002]

maybe not BRINKSTER, but something else, like maybe GEOCITIES

[brendandonhue]

Anything without popups would be better!
Geocities isn't as bad as angelfire with the ads, but Brinkster really is a great host for free, no ads, and ASP.

[neenach2002]

yea...how do I use auto-redirect
in other words what is the code for it???