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The-Omega
12-01-2005, 10:57 AM
Hi, I just want to know what everyone else thinks of my design. The site as of right now has no purpose....just something future employers can look at.

http://theomega.livesite.org.uk


Edit:
I forgot to mention that it doesnt look all that great in Firefox....I dont use firefox and didnt look at it in Firefox untill recently....well after the design. Firefox doesnt let you color the table borders....wtf? Wonder why.....I personally think there are a lot of flaws in firefox.

It looks the best in IE....sorry firefox users

Chrisking
12-01-2005, 01:47 PM
I like the Banner, Artwork etc, but in my opinion think a differnt font for the links, maybe a little something easier to read.
Also the blue links to "The Omega" & Post News are quite difficult to read on the dark background.

Also not sure about any one else but in IE I do not get a scroll bar so if the screen res isnt 1024*768 or if the window isnt maximized you are unable to view the bottom of the site

Very clean site though. :)

KDLA
12-01-2005, 02:16 PM
FF will allow colored borders. Problem is, the way you coded it isn' valid: http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A//theomega.livesite.org.uk/

For the colored borders, you need to place this in the table tag
<table style="border: 1px solid #000000;">
You can change the color and border width.

Always check your stuff in a browser besides IE. Lots of things that are compatible with IE won't be with other browsers, such as FF, Netscape, & Opera. Reason is, that IE "assumes" a lot of things from your coding, and displays it based on those assumptions. Unfortunately, that covers up multiple coding "sins."

Oh, BTW - I like the design, just not the navigation. The little squiggles on the buttons sort of obscures the text.

KDLA

KDLA

The-Omega
12-01-2005, 02:20 PM
I have had a few people tell me about the font for the links is a little hard to read but I guess I have better vision or something than others becuase I can see it just fine. I agree about the link colors...I just was kinda wanting to keep the same color scheme ya know.

As for the scroolbar....thats what those little up and down arrows are to the right of the screen....javascript.

The-Omega
12-01-2005, 02:33 PM
I tried that tag you posted about the frames in FF but I still cant get it just right....it is right on the top and left side but still not the bottom and right side and the middle lines. any suggestions?

Chrisking
12-01-2005, 02:49 PM
:o :o
oooooops sorry! Visited the site again and see the arrows!
:)

KDLA
12-01-2005, 02:57 PM
Oops - You've got multiple styling settings in the same tag - might be messing that up

Take out the bolded parts:

<table width="550" border="1" valign="center" align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" bordercolor="#000000" style="border: 1px solid #000000;">

The-Omega
12-01-2005, 03:02 PM
lol oops forgot to remove those :D

I use dreamweaver to write the code in and use the WYSIWYG aspect....but I think it puts some unneccesary things in the code...maybe thats why I get 20 validate errors...

Edit:
When i took those out it messed up the look of my page and took out the black lines period and that code u gave me really didnt change anything in FF so i just put it back how it was lol...FF will just have to deal with it...the majority of internet users use IE anyway.

KDLA
12-01-2005, 03:21 PM
Most of your errors are for missing alt tags. That's something you have to enter in, not something that Dreamweaver includes.

In Dreamweaver, click on the image, open the properties toolbar, and on the right an Alt Text box will appear (around where the align drop down is). You type in a description of the image. If your images are for layout only, then just put in a space in the alt tag box. Really, you should investigate how to use the background-image property, rather than straight images. Makes layering MUCH easier.

The rest of your errors look like cut & paste gone wrong: missing end tags.

KDLA

The-Omega
12-01-2005, 05:45 PM
ok i fixed the alt stuff and narrowed the errors down to 9....but most of them DO have a purpose and if I take them out it will change something. unless I just scriptef them in the wrong way.

Edit:
okay forget the 9 i narrowed it down to 2 so far now check them out for me and tell me what you think about the scrolling one....

KDLA
12-02-2005, 08:12 AM
The scrollbar appears in FF, even though your coding indicates that it shouldn't:
<body bgcolor="#000066" text="#FFFFFF" link="#000066" vlink="#000066" alink="#000066" scroll="no">

Is the no-scolling setting absolutely necessary? I ask that because there will be some people, like me, who have many toolbars displayed in their browser, causing your page to be pushed down. The no-scroll option keeps me from seeing the bottom of your design.

If you feel the no-scroll option is necessary, you might instead take this route: the overflow property.
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/visufx.html

After the <body> tag, you could place this coding
<div style="max-height: 768px; overflow: hidden;>
then close the div [</div>] right before the closing body tag [/div]
(Or choose whatever height you feel necessary)

Of course, you'll need to get rid of the "scroll=no" setting in the <body> tag.

The other coding faux pas is related to that border-color problem again. You'll want to change this:
<table width="550" border="1" align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" bordercolor="#000000">
to this:
<table width="550" align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="border: 1px solid #000000;">
This will also solve that "missing border in FF" problem.

Something you may want to invest some time in, in the future, are cascading style sheets (CSS). Dreamweaver is pretty useless for this type of coding; however learning it will greatly enhance your site and design flexibility. One book I recommend is "Cascading Style Sheets: The Definitive Guide" by Eric Meyer. To view the "power" of CSS, visit the CSS Zen Garden at http://www.csszengarden.com.

Good Luck-
KDLA

dera
12-02-2005, 08:46 AM
i converted the site in to more sematic coding for you, you can do the rest as you learn, what you should be pointed out though is that javascripts and other scripts should be defined in the HEAD of the document. i moved that for you. also there is no protocol javascript so having links with javascript:blah blah is stupid if you want to add a redundant link use #.
also in your second script you need to define what language the script is in the code, if you don't add language="javascript" you cannot expect the browser to interpret the information correctly if it isnt correct.
<code>
<body bgcolor="#000066" text="#FFFFFF" link="#000066" vlink="#000066" alink="#000066" scroll="no">
</code>
that line isnt needed any more
i did a simple css conversion.
<code>
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
<html>

<head>
<title>High-Capacity 2.0 [tear it up]</title>
<meta NAME="Description" CONTENT="Information on Sports events such as NFL Football, nascar Racing, personal site with images....Site design offered.">
<meta NAME="Keywords" CONTENT="NFL,nfl,NASCAR,nascar,racing,football,games,HTML,html,entertainment,fun,web design,design,SHTML,the,and,as,if,ask,help,generation,hosting,free">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
<style type="text/css">
<!--BODY {ScrollbaR-face-color: #000066; ScrollbaR-shadow-color:#000000; ScrollbaR-highlight-color: #000000; ScrollbaR-3dlight-color: #000066; ScrollbaR-darkshadow-color: #000066; ScrollbaR-track-color: #000066;
ScrollbaR-arrow-color: #000000}
-->
</style>
<script language="JavaScript" type="text/JavaScript">
<!--
function MM_reloadPage(init) { //reloads the window if Nav4 resized
if (init==true) with (navigator) {if ((appName=="Netscape")&&(parseInt(appVersion)==4)) {
document.MM_pgW=innerWidth; document.MM_pgH=innerHeight; onresize=MM_reloadPage; }}
else if (innerWidth!=document.MM_pgW || innerHeight!=document.MM_pgH) location.reload();
}
MM_reloadPage(true);
//-->
</script>
<script language="JavaScript" type="text/javascript">


var Hoffset=130 //Enter buttons' offset from right edge of window (adjust depending on images width)
var Voffset=40 //Enter buttons' offset from bottom edge of window (adjust depending on images height)
var thespeed=8 //Enter scroll speed in integer (Advised: 1-3)

var ieNOTopera=document.all&&navigator.userAgent.indexOf("Opera")==-1
var myspeed=0

var ieHoffset_extra=document.all? 15 : 0
var cross_obj=document.all? document.all.staticbuttons : document.getElementById? document.getElementById("staticbuttons") : document.staticbuttons

function positionit(){
var dsocleft=document.all? document.body.scrollLeft : pageXOffset
var dsoctop=document.all? document.body.scrollTop : pageYOffset
var window_width=ieNOTopera? document.body.clientWidth+ieHoffset_extra : window.innerWidth+ieHoffset_extra
var window_height=ieNOTopera? document.body.clientHeight : window.innerHeight

if (document.all||document.getElementById){
cross_obj.style.left=parseInt(dsocleft)+parseInt(window_width)-Hoffset
cross_obj.style.top=dsoctop+parseInt(window_height)-Voffset
}
else if (document.layers){
cross_obj.left=dsocleft+window_width-Hoffset
cross_obj.top=dsoctop+window_height-Voffset
}
}

function scrollwindow(){
window.scrollBy(0,myspeed)
}

function initializeIT(){
positionit()
if (myspeed!=0){
scrollwindow()
}
}

if (document.all||document.getElementById||document.layers)
setInterval("initializeIT()",20)


</script>
</head>

<body style="bgcolor:#000066; text:#FFFFFF; link:#000066; vlink:#000066; alink:#000066;">

<div align="center" style="backround-color: white; width: 550px;">
<div align="center">
<img src="images/main-logo.gif" alt width="550" height="120"></div>
<div style="background-color:#2F2F2F;">
<a href="main.shtml" target="main">
<img src="images/mainbut.gif" alt border="0"></a>
<a href="about.shtml" target="main">
<img src="images/aboutbut.gif" alt border="0"></a>
<a href="contact.shtml" target="main"><img src="images/contactbut.gif" alt border="0"></a>
<a href="forums" target="_blank"><img src="images/forumsbut.gif" alt border="0"></a>
<a href="news-posts/archives/archives.shtml" target="main"><img src="images/archivesbut.gif" alt border="0"></a>
<a href="links.shtml" target="main"><img src="images/linksbut.gif" alt border="0"></a>
<a href="images.shtml" target="main"><img src="images/imagesbut.gif" alt border="0"></a>
<a href="comments/4781839919.shtml" target="main"><img src="images/gbbut.gif" alt border="0"></a>
</div>
<iframe SRC="main.shtml" NAME="main" HEIGHT="340" WIDTH="550" FRAMEBORDER="0" scrolling="yes">
</iframe></td>
<div align="center" style="margin: 0;">
<p><img src="images/logo-bottom.gif" alt="Image Alt"></p>
</div>
</div>
<div id="staticbuttons" style="position:absolute;">
<div align="right">
<p>
<a href="# onmouseover=" myspeed="-thespeed&quot;" onmouseout="myspeed=0">
<img src="images/uparrow.gif" alt border="0"> </a>
<a href="#" onmouseover="myspeed=thespeed" onmouseout="myspeed=0">
<img src="images/downarrow.gif" alt border="0"></a></p>
</div>
</div>
</body>
</html>
</code>
final result sematic with out tables

The-Omega
12-02-2005, 11:12 AM
<table width="550" align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="border: 1px solid #000000;">

that doesnt make the border a solid color for me in FF or IE....just the top/left side of the table(yes table) is black.....the bottom/right side and all interior lines are no color...just the default color for a table with no color attributes.

dera...i looked at your code in IE and FF but it completely messes up the whole design...I have the table there for cosmetic reasons...it looks good when the table border is solid black.

KDLA
12-02-2005, 02:04 PM
That's weird... when I copy your coding, paste it into my editor and mess with it, the border appears fine for me. I've attached the document.

KDLA

The-Omega
12-02-2005, 02:54 PM
your document is close....and the border works but only the OUSTIDE border does now lol....i want to use the black table lines to seperate the links section and the iframe section.....what editor do you use?

KDLA
12-02-2005, 03:30 PM
YOu have to define the border in each cell. Attached is a version with that done for you.

The-Omega
12-02-2005, 05:32 PM
ok i got everything looking good in FF and IE but the ONLY problem now is the no scroll thing.....i am going to see if there is another way of coding that in so it works in FF.....it works in IE though.

The-Omega
12-05-2005, 02:45 PM
hey check out the site now....I gave it a little facelift nothing BIG but I think it made a difference in the look. tell me if you like that better than how it did look.

dera
12-07-2005, 08:05 AM
try a black backround the orange is a bit to bright, its looking nice :)

KDLA
12-07-2005, 08:55 AM
Here's a screenshot of the guestbook - to show you the yellow fields problem.

The-Omega
12-07-2005, 12:19 PM
that is soo weird.....i dont have it coded for yellow bg and its not yellow on my computer.........anyone else have this problem?

i think the bright orange draws more attention to the content area...