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Ness_du_Frat
01-25-2006, 08:46 AM
HIIIIIIII !!!!!
Maybe those who know me have been expecting this last year, but... I'm kinda lazy ^^
Ok, let's get straight to the point.
I don't want critics like "your site is great, original, wonderful" or anything, even if you do think that way :D .
My site sucks.

The website : http://enfantsdelo.free.fr

Why am I posting it, though ? Masochism, maybe ? No, I want brutal feedback from you, the kind of feedback that will send me crying in a cave for a week, the kind of feedback that will change things.

As the website is in French, I might as well explain some stuff to you... It's about my book, Les Enfants de l'Ô (yes, yes, I'm a writer... And yes, I'm the kind of poor writers that eats potatoes and pastas everyday, and had to buy a macintosh because a PC notebook was too expensive... lol. But I'm getting off the point ^^). The book is a family saga, taking place 600 years from now / and at present time too. It involves a bit of science-fiction, and a lot of drama... Those of you who know "Top Model", it's not so different... lol. (no, just kidding... ^^)
So, a website about a book, what is that for ? Mmmm.. good question. Ok, I don't sell my book, I don't even want to make money with it, I'm not planning a big googleAds campain or paypal or anything. No, I just want readers, and feedback.
Not for you english speaking people, obviously... But, maybe you can help with the webdesign.

I plan a major revamp of my site. When I say "major", I really mean it. Change all the pages, change the keywords, find a real public target... SEO, domain name (yeah, I know, I should have thought of that long ago ^^;).
But, most of all, I want to change the design.

What kind of feedback do I want ? I would be immensly grateful to you if you could tell me what you don't like on my site, what you would change, what you would keep, maybe.
I have to warn you, the site is HUGE (maybe 50 pages or so) but you don't really need to go everywhere... lol. And, the little rounds at the bottom are not just here to be here, no. Just click on them !!!!

Coding-wise, I think it's ok, but I'm sure it needs optimization...
So, go get your baseball bat, and throw hard comments at me, I really need it !!!!

The website : http://enfantsdelo.free.fr

Edit number 5 (at least) : I put the new splash page on the website. Just tell me what you think of it. Good, not good ? Doesn't go with the rest of the site, that's normal because it's a potential new version of the website... I just have to make the layout... ^^

EDIT number 6 :
Ok, so I made a mockup of a potential design... It's not finished at all, it's just an idea like that... The point of the whole thing is to have different images and color schemes with each section of the website, but of course, the general layout will be the same so that people don't get lost... What do you think of it ???

Ness, crazy girl :p


EDIT : I always write too much, sorry... But, if you're the lazy kind, just go straight to the site !!!!

KDLA
01-25-2006, 10:23 AM
Don't like:

- the look of the font on the entry page: either omit the shadow or lighten it up.
- absence of color; if you're marketing something (like your book) they say to pick colors that entice people to feel comfortable and trust the site. (The b/w is sort of a clinical look.) A Google search for "color in advertising" will bring up some resources on that.
- the frames. If you retain the frames, please make the scrollbar a little more obvious - maybe using a color other than the background. On a higher resolution monitor, it's quite far away from the text.
- that is one funky rollover effect. At first, I thought my browser was acting up. Keep or toss, it's still freaky. (unless IE is displaying it wrong -- the rollover darkens other elements besides the element I'm mousing over.)

NICE: CSS!!! :)

KDLA

Ness_du_Frat
01-25-2006, 10:33 AM
Don't like:

- the look of the font on the entry page: either omit the shadow or lighten it up.

Totally agrees. But this is the entry page I'm getting rid off anyway. Do you like the new one ?

- absence of color; if you're marketing something (like your book) they say to pick colors that entice people to feel comfortable and trust the site. (The b/w is sort of a clinical look.) A Google search for "color in advertising" will bring up some resources on that.

Thanks, I'll do just that. Actually, it's only the first page and the default version that are white and black. I have some other colors under the round buttons. Anyway, I'm not retaining black and white...

- the frames. If you retain the frames, please make the scrollbar a little more obvious - maybe using a color other than the background. On a higher resolution monitor, it's quite far away from the text.

I'm not using frames on my website, it's all php and css. Anyway, are you using IE to have those pretty colored scrollbars ? lol. Yeah, clear, you're right, in the new site, I'll make the scrollbars more obvious. And the new version, of course, will be resizable... That's one thing the old site lacks.

- that is one funky rollover effect. At first, I thought my browser was acting up. Keep or toss, it's still freaky. (unless IE is displaying it wrong -- the rollover darkens other elements besides the element I'm mousing over.)

Mmm... what rollover effect are you talking about ? Apart from the text going a bit darker when you move upon it on the menu, I don't have any rollover effect. I never saw anything strange when I tested for IE. You need to explain a bit more, I don't see at all what you're talking about and why it's freaky.

NICE: CSS!!! :)

Thanks !!! After two years in this forum, you didn't think I would be using tables, do you ? lol.

Thanks a lot for your feedback. Can you tell me what you think of my new first page ?
Index (http://psychomoa.free.fr/index.php)

KDLA
01-25-2006, 10:53 AM
New entry page: very anime looking. HOT!

Sorry -- I didn't look at the code, and mistook the css for a frame. My fault for exerting minimal effort. :rolleyes:

Yes, I'm using the evil IE, which bleached your scrollbar and caused your rollover effect to be really weird. It grays out the "trail" of boxes my cursor goes over to get to a specific link; sometimes two, sometimes three of the links. They stay that way until my cursor is specifically over the text of the link. I tried to get a screenshot, but wasn't successful.

I'm using IE 6.0, Win XP Svc. Pk 2

KDLA

The Little Guy
01-25-2006, 12:02 PM
Nice layout, cramed together -- like.


Improvements

- You need to validate your site, for best performance. http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fenfantsdelo.free.fr%2Fxbloglite%2Findex.php

- Check out your speed test results There are 5 warnings out of 11 recommendations. http://www.websiteoptimization.com/services/analyze/

- There are a bunch of links that are just images, and I can't read the language that you have this in, but if there isn't a text link for each of those image links, you should add them. Knowbody wants to guess where the picture goes.

- Logins are normally at the top of a page, yours is within the overflow, so knowbody will know that there is a login. If you want users to login, you might want to move that to the top.

- I had no clue you could change the color layout of the page untill now, you might want to tell your users that they can do this by placing some thing under the dots like "Select Color Scheme" or "Select Layout" something short so it doesn't take away from the site.

- Every time i change a color scheme, the envelope, and the copyrights image on the top right dissappear, then re-appear the very first time I hover over them.


Looks good. Favorite skin is skin 3 brown/orange and black

Ness_du_Frat
01-25-2006, 02:49 PM
Hi, Little Guy !!!!
OK, so actually, my code is valid. What is not valid (and that's my fault, I must admit it) is that I use Ryan (Pyro) 's XblogLite, which is XHTML, inside of my html doctype, because of the way I call the pages.
Don't worry, I know, but I can't do anything about it, and I don't really want to change Ryan's code, cause it's his script and not mine. All other pages validate. The mistakes in my index page also come because of my entries, because it doesn't make any difference between my blog "code" entries and my page code... lol

Speed optimization gave my congratulations all over the page on the index. Which page did you try ?

Links that are just images ??? Like, the .: bullets ? yeah... didn't want to add "this is just a bullet for the design" for all my bullets... And, BTW, when you have a spacer, for example, you don't need to write "spacer" all over the page, I guess... Not so visitor friendly.
If you speak of the other images, I think I have a title for all of them. Except maybe the images I put in my blog entries, because I don't always think of it... BTW, almost all my images are divs, so they get the title attribut and not the "alt".

Speaking about the login so well hidden.. It's my member area, and I don't want lots of people to go there. It's located in "bonus", which is exactly where I want it to be, as it's not free access, but you have to get special persmission from me to log in. BUT, in the new site, there will be a free access login, and this one will be on the main page... I guess you're right, and I'll make it visible. Most certainly in the top right corner.

For the color scheme, you are absolutly right... ^^ I made a post telling users they could change the colors, but I should also have put a clear explanation. On the other side, I want people to be curious and click everywhere... lol. But yeah, I totally agree to the critic.

Yeah, I know the stuff about the envelop and copyright.. Very strange indeed. I never knew why it acted that way... Maybe just because it's a div with a a:hover property. But it's annoying, true.

My favorite is also the orange one, and that's most likely my color scheme for the new website, as it's almost everyone's favorite too !!

Thanks a lot for your deep analysis of my website ! I see you took some time to go through it, and I really appreciate it !!!! :D

BTW, what do you think of the new indexpage ? http://psychomoa.free.fr/index.php

Ness_du_Frat
01-25-2006, 02:53 PM
New entry page: very anime looking. HOT!

Sorry -- I didn't look at the code, and mistook the css for a frame. My fault for exerting minimal effort. :rolleyes:

Yes, I'm using the evil IE, which bleached your scrollbar and caused your rollover effect to be really weird. It grays out the "trail" of boxes my cursor goes over to get to a specific link; sometimes two, sometimes three of the links. They stay that way until my cursor is specifically over the text of the link. I tried to get a screenshot, but wasn't successful.

I'm using IE 6.0, Win XP Svc. Pk 2

KDLA
Hi !!!!
- I guess I should take this as a compliment !!
- no harm... all people think it's a frame, and that's the way I wanted it to be... Evil frames... Evil... lol.. php is love.
- I cannot blame you for using IE. I don't want to start a fight all over the place, but IE is quicker and better than FF in most ways... Try Maxton, it's IE improved 10 times... Or Opera. Opera is jst great. I used to use IE, before something weird happened and it was so slow I could go get myself a coffee between each page change... BUT, IE for mac is the worst thing on earth. Designing cross-browser for IE mac was my worst nitemare.

The Little Guy
01-25-2006, 03:12 PM
I did this page for the speed test: http://enfantsdelo.free.fr/xbloglite/index.php

I like your new one alot better, It is more animated -- nice

Ness_du_Frat
01-25-2006, 03:57 PM
I did this page for the speed test: http://enfantsdelo.free.fr/xbloglite/index.php

I like your new one alot better, It is more animated -- nice
Thanks !!!

Actually, the page you loaded (and all derived xbloglite pages) are the only one that's not really valid. My website is working with included headers and footers, which are html strict dtd, and Pyro's script is using XHTML 1.0, hence the little compatibility problems (basically, the <meta /> other tags requiring the new format)
But I'll try to improve that with my new website !

I think I should stick to my squary (sorry, don't know the english for this pattern with little squares) bar in the general design of the website. What do you think ? (I mean, I should re-use it in the rest of the site)

LJK
01-26-2006, 05:50 PM
Hi -
Thought it was rather dull 'til I discovered the style-switcher:
a great idea that should be made more prominent for users
if you decide to keep it - but black backgrounds gotta go!
[Who has the patience or gamma tolerance to read it?]

The lack of images = a lack of warmth for me. Get the sci-fi
influences but was wanting some family history, too.
[Ditto w/ the new concept.]

Am allergic to splash pages & counters, so left w/ a bit of rash...
sure it'll clear up, tho. ;-)

Have fun w/ the redesign,
El

Ness_du_Frat
01-27-2006, 11:58 AM
Thanks for your feedback, LJK !!!!
I'm redoing the website completly, I don't think I'll keep the style switcher... Black background is also one thing I don't really like, BUT : I've noticed after some years that people always liked black backgroounds better than they did white backgrounds. I'm not talking about people interested in a company or so, but people who want to read science fiction...
Personnaly, I don't like black backgrounds that much. But personnaly, I don't need any reason to go on my website either, because it's my website, so my opinion doesn't count that much.
I'm planning to use images on the new website, because it's true, that's a bit cold !
I love splash pages and counters... lol. No, really, I'm planing some advertising with a bit of suspense, like : I'll put the name of my website, without any explanation, and see if the people come here...
Lots of people like reading, but most of them think what's on the internet is badly written. Although that's most of the time true, I believe it's not the case with my book. I mean, I've published stuff, so I guess I'm not that bad.
The splash page helps me keep some suspense, and will, hopefully, trigger the curiousity of future readers !!! lol

Ness_du_Frat
01-29-2006, 05:45 AM
Ok, so just a little post to say that the url for the splash page has changed, it's now :
http://psychomoa.free.fr/indexsplash.php

I'm still awaiting your critics !!! ^^

I'm thinking of doing a blog-like layout, with 5 different colors, a bit like my actual website (except that it will be very different, of course...).
So, do you all agree that the background should not be black ?

KDLA
01-29-2006, 05:24 PM
Ness-
This looks really good. It's perfect for a sci-fi site. Great job :p
KDLA

Ness_du_Frat
01-29-2006, 06:03 PM
Thanks, KDLA, but I really would like people to tell me it's sooooo bad, it's a shame I haven't changed it yet... lol
I'm not so sure anymore about the splash page... I mean, yes, there will be a splash page, but I'm not so sure it will be this one...
I think I'm definately going with a lighter color scheme... What do you think ?

KDLA
01-30-2006, 07:50 AM
I'd use a scheme with the colors used in the girl art. Maybe really blocky; not necessarily symmetrical; the content in a white area, stripes the orangy-color; black background with the grid randomly appearing; headers in the gray-blue.

If this makes you feel any better, your last splash page really sucked.

Ness_du_Frat
01-30-2006, 03:12 PM
oh, thanks, it DOES make me feel better !!! lol
Actually, that's about the colors I was going to use, but I'm still hesitating... I have another drawing, my boyfriend says it's better and more related to the book, more likely to tease people, and I'm wondering about using it...
Of course, I'm still not really decided about the color scheme... I tried various mockups, with the color scheme you described, and they sucked. Really.
So, I was wondering... How about black, cyan (turquoise), and of course, white for the background ? Also with the grid and all ?? (and of course, cyan would be only for the stripes behing the headers or such...)
Anyway, it's just that I am sooo much NOT inspired, these late months... ^^
And I'm still hesitating between "blog-like" layout and "totally crazy" layout like the ones I do all the time that are so special and strange people just can't say a thing besides : hmmm... it looks.... interesting.... hey, that's the word. In-te-res-ting. *nod*
lol

KDLA
01-31-2006, 09:41 AM
Ness -
Do you do the drawings yourself? If so, what program do you use?
KDLA

Ness_du_Frat
01-31-2006, 11:54 AM
Ness -
Do you do the drawings yourself? If so, what program do you use?
KDLA
Yeah, I did all the drawings myself... I mean, all the ones I plan to use on my website. I use photoshop, and a wacom graphic tablet.

DaveSW
01-31-2006, 12:14 PM
Have you thought about taking your new splash page and moving it around to make the layout? Perhaps something like I've done on my website www.emdevelopments.co.uk

You could put the (cool) check bar accross the top, the picture in the top left, and devise some sort of stripe coming down the page on the left for the menu.
Black backgrounds are one of those things that need to be used with caution. Sometimes it just looks bad, but if you get it right then it can be great.

IS this: http://www.google.com/Top/World/Fran%C3%A7ais/Arts/Litt%C3%A9rature/In%C3%A9dits_en_ligne/ the category you need to submit your site to?

Green-Beast
02-01-2006, 10:36 AM
I like it.

Three things.

1) Kill the splash page, let people go right to the site.
2) Put better titles on the mystery meat style changer links at the foot.
3) Change your sig o'frameless girl :)

Mike

Ness_du_Frat
02-01-2006, 05:03 PM
I like it.

Three things.

1) Kill the splash page, let people go right to the site.
2) Put better titles on the mystery meat style changer links at the foot.
3) Change your sig o'frameless girl :)

Mike
LOL !!!

thanks for your feedback, you Green thing !!! ;)

1) I have to keep the splash page, because I don't have a paid host, and I have to redirect from my domain to my free host, which doesn't give DNS redirection... And, as I'm a frameless girl, I don't want to use frame redirection. So, I use a splash page !!!
2) I'm totaly changing the website, I'm not even sure there will be a style switcher, but if there is, be sure I'm going to warn people correctly, this time !!! lol.
3) Yeah, I really have to change this sig *sigh* It's becoming old, after two years...

Do you like the splash page, besides the fact that it is a splash page ?

Ness_du_Frat
02-01-2006, 05:09 PM
Have you thought about taking your new splash page and moving it around to make the layout? Perhaps something like I've done on my website www.emdevelopments.co.uk

Yeah, I thought of that and I even did various tries, but the checked bar is just a big large to be put accross the top, cause it burns up too much space. It's funny, because it was my very first idea !!! I might even keep it, I'm trying different stuff.


IS this: http://www.google.com/Top/World/Fran%C3%A7ais/Arts/Litt%C3%A9rature/In%C3%A9dits_en_ligne/ the category you need to submit your site to?
Actually, I have submitted to DMOZ already, so I think I'm on the waiting list to be listed (what a beautiful sentence, BTW... Not even grammaticaly correct, I'm sure !)
I'm a bit cautious to submit it again with my new domain name, cause they said they don't want web pages pointing to other webpages, and that's exactly what my splash page does... So, I guess I just have to wait till they browse my website !
Dave, for the colors, would you rather go for the cyan blue color scheme, or the red-grey-black color scheme ? Most likely, I'll make both, but I'm still hesitating...

Green-Beast
02-01-2006, 05:57 PM
Hey Ness,

You could try something like this. This would be in a root-level file called index.php. This is what people would land on when hitting the domain.

<?php

$file = 'A';
$data = @file($file);
$data = $data[0];
if($handle = @fopen($file, 'w')){
$data = intval($data); $data++;
fwrite($handle, $data);
fclose($handle);
}
header("Location: B");

?>

A = A text file set to 666 (records redirect numbers, hit counts, but uniques)... hits.txt
B = Redirect to target page.. ie home.php

By doing this the page landed on will instantly redirect the visitor to your intended home page.... so fast they won't even notice.

This would eliminate a splash page that people have to click through.

Mike

Ness_du_Frat
02-01-2006, 06:24 PM
Hey Ness,

You could try something like this. This would be in a root-level file called index.php. This is what people would land on when hitting the domain.

<?php

$file = 'A';
$data = @file($file);
$data = $data[0];
if($handle = @fopen($file, 'w')){
$data = intval($data); $data++;
fwrite($handle, $data);
fclose($handle);
}
header("Location: B");

?>

A = A text file set to 666 (records redirect numbers, hit counts, but uniques)... hits.txt
B = Redirect to target page.. ie home.php

By doing this the page landed on will instantly redirect the visitor to your intended home page.... so fast they won't even notice.

This would eliminate a splash page that people have to click through.

Mike
Thanks, Mike !!! But you know what ? You get a lower ranking on google is you use page redirection... :( I thought of something like that. You can do it by using an htaccess page, too.
Your piece of code is cool, but, the second problem is : the webspace provided by my domain name reseller DOESN'T SUPPORT php. Do you believe such a thing ?
I had to redo my index page to have an html file, cause it just didn't recognise the php page... Yeah... That's the sad life of a poor girl who cannot afford to pay for proper hosting... lol.
Anyway, I have great hosting, except they don't have DNS redirection.
And... And... You'll think I'm crazy, but... I just love splash pages ^^
Moreover, I was thinking of doing an advertizing campain based on Mystery (yeah, Mystery with a Big M). You know, people just don't want to read novels online. Most of the time, the so-called "free" novels are just pieces of crap nobody ever wanted to read before it was published for free on the net.
I hope mine is not like that. I won't tell you the whole story, but the only time I ever sent something, it was published. lol. I'm just lazy... ^^
So, if people see : a novel on line, they will just go away. BUT (and here is my machiavelous strategy (and you notice the aproximate English, I hope you understand what I mean...)), if they suddenly arrive on a page like my splash page, they will just click. Like, oh, what's that ? Let's click ! And then... then... this is why I really have to redesign my website. lol. I have to MAKE THEM STAY... lol.

So, for you, Mike, the Green frightening Beast, black background, pros and cons ? :D

Ness_du_Frat
02-01-2006, 06:25 PM
BTW, I just love your website, Mike ! good work ! :)

Green-Beast
02-01-2006, 07:11 PM
Thanks Ness. Yeah, dark backgrounds are great. I like both styles, bright and dark sites. No PHP support? Wow!


Mike

Ness_du_Frat
02-02-2006, 03:03 AM
Thanks Ness. Yeah, dark backgrounds are great. I like both styles, bright and dark sites. No PHP support? Wow!


Mike
Yeah, that's really weird. I guess they just want people to subscribe to the hosting, too.
That sucks, because I planned on using php to direct people to the "about page" on the first visit, and then, straight to the news... I might send them a mail to be clear about that... I mean, they didn't recognize my index.php page... :eek:

Ness_du_Frat
02-03-2006, 01:12 PM
Hey, everybody !!!
I made a mockup of the website, a new potential layout.. I didn't want to open another topic, so I just went on with the current one...
The mockup is not yet finished, and I'm not sure for the colors and such. But, what I want to have, are six different sections with their own color schemes and banner pictures. Of course, as to be consistent, all the sections will have the exact same layout...
So, what do you think about it ? Tell me what you like and what you don't like ? For example, I'm not sure about the navigation (I mean, I'm sure there will be a navigation menu, of course, but I'm not sure if I should expand it or expand only the selected topic).
I'm waiting for your comments ! ^^

Green-Beast
02-03-2006, 01:55 PM
Hot, hot, hot :) me likey.

I was looking at some of your paintings by the way. Some good stuff!

Mike

Ness_du_Frat
02-03-2006, 02:02 PM
Hot, hot, hot :) me likey.

I was looking at some of your paintings by the way. Some good stuff!

Mike
Oh, thanks !!!
As soon as I posted the mockup, I realised... Ohohoh, tooooooo much orange !!!! So I'm going to work on it a little bit, because you almost have the impression that the blue and green have died on your monitor...

edit : a few color modifications...

Ness_du_Frat
02-03-2006, 02:03 PM
Hot, hot, hot :) me likey.

I was looking at some of your paintings by the way. Some good stuff!

Mike
BTW, if you want to have a look at MY pictures (and not the pictures people do for my website), you can have a look at my devart page : http://ness-du-frat.deviantart.com/

KDLA
02-03-2006, 02:11 PM
NICE!
I like the orange. The only thing that bothered me was the style of the "Historie" in the orange bar. The white "h" really sticks out. Maybe a darker shade of orange might be better?
KDLA

Ness_du_Frat
02-03-2006, 02:26 PM
NICE!
I like the orange. The only thing that bothered me was the style of the "Historie" in the orange bar. The white "h" really sticks out. Maybe a darker shade of orange might be better?
KDLA
Héhé, why not !!! I'll give it a try !!!!
I don't know why, but by looking at it more and more, I hate it more and more... :(
I'm not sure I like the style of the navigation menu... What do you think ?

KDLA
02-03-2006, 02:28 PM
I think you think too many negative thoughts. ;)

Ness_du_Frat
02-03-2006, 02:38 PM
I think you think too many negative thoughts. ;)
lol... I'm always like that...
But, I spotted what was wrong : the text on the navigation is really too big, and I want the topic not in focus to be darker. A few adjustments, and I'll post it again... ^^

Ness_du_Frat
02-03-2006, 02:52 PM
So, here I am (again), with a third mockup version. This is the one I like most, I hope you like it too !!! :D

Ness_du_Frat
02-03-2006, 04:32 PM
Sorry, posting like mad, tonight, but I wanted to post an other version, for you to see what I meant by "the color scheme change according to the topic chosen for navigation..."
So, do you think I can go like that, or do you think it would be better if I did a style switcher and people can chose which style they like ? I was really fond of the idea of changing the colors according to navigation, I've seen that on a website recently, and I was totaly imrpessed.
So ? pros and cons ?
Here is the version for the "characters" topic :

LJK
02-03-2006, 10:35 PM
Hi -
I think that's an excellent idea!
[Also like it when the header images change...]
Not sure how long it's been since I'd checked
this thread but wow - really coming together!

Have fun,
El

Green-Beast
02-04-2006, 01:31 AM
Test 3 for me Ness. That has my vote.

Your paintings are really good. I am most impressed with the girl you call Ira (http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/27683934/). She is quite beautiful and you captured/created it well.

Mike

Ness_du_Frat
02-04-2006, 03:21 AM
Hi -
I think that's an excellent idea!
[Also like it when the header images change...]
Not sure how long it's been since I'd checked
this thread but wow - really coming together!

Have fun,
El
Oh, thanks !!!
What do you think of the navigation bar expanded (when you see all the topics and the sub-topics). I don't like it that much, but I still haevn't come up with a better idea. Do you like it or not ? (be honest, I heavn't started coding anything yet)

Ness_du_Frat
02-04-2006, 03:23 AM
Test 3 for me Ness. That has my vote.

Your paintings are really good. I am most impressed with the girl you call Ira (http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/27683934/). She is quite beautiful and you captured/created it well.

Mike
Thanks !!! That's my latest drawing. Done maybe two or three weeks ago. I guess I'm improving... ^^

For the website, what do you think of the changing headers and color schemes when the topic changes in the menu ? Do you like the idea ?
And the menu... I don't like it that much, the fact that it's expanded and that it takes that much space. Do you think I should list only the selected topic ? I'm still hesitating, cause I haven't found a nice way to have only the name of the topics... Any idea ?

LJK
02-04-2006, 09:16 PM
Hi -
Well, the nav area helps to balance the page -
do you have an outline around it [and the footer]
just to see the divs - or are they staying?

You might like it better w/out the word Navigation
and that outline - just bump-up a bit to lay next to
the right side text.

If you really feel that area needs to be contracted,
check-out some CSS vertical drop-down/ expanded menus, or somesuch...
but IMHO, it's fine ;-)

El

Ness_du_Frat
02-05-2006, 04:35 AM
Hi -
Well, the nav area helps to balance the page -
do you have an outline around it [and the footer]
just to see the divs - or are they staying?

You might like it better w/out the word Navigation
and that outline - just bump-up a bit to lay next to
the right side text.

If you really feel that area needs to be contracted,
check-out some CSS vertical drop-down/ expanded menus, or somesuch...
but IMHO, it's fine ;-)

El
The outline is staying, I kinda liked this line around the different elements. Wihtout the word navigation, so ? It might seem a little dull, I think... I don't know, maybe you're right, but I wanted to break the regularity of the whole thing.
I have an idea for the menu, and it's not involving css (and javascript). Have you seen the menu in my current webpage ? It's like a drop-down menu, except it's full css and php and absolutely no javascript.

The reason why I want to contract the menu is that I don't want to have a page that stretches vertically. I want a scrollbar on the side of the div containing the text (exactly like my website), and the rest of the website remains static.
What do you think ?

dera
02-06-2006, 01:29 AM
hello ness, okai the page loaded fast and because your french and im italian, i don't understand a thing. so this will really test your accessibility. the splash page looks really nice, but why did i have to click through it for? why not just not have it it doesn't relate to the white grey design at all. im not a fan of inside scrolling of pages, i like to see my content and click bang its there and i leave comment if i have to etc. i would put the contact buttons in the main menu and you could just leave the copyright there.

Ness_du_Frat
02-06-2006, 09:35 AM
hello ness, okai the page loaded fast and because your french and im italian, i don't understand a thing. so this will really test your accessibility. the splash page looks really nice, but why did i have to click through it for? why not just not have it it doesn't relate to the white grey design at all. im not a fan of inside scrolling of pages, i like to see my content and click bang its there and i leave comment if i have to etc. i would put the contact buttons in the main menu and you could just leave the copyright there.
Hi, my little crazy banana !
So, it's obviously because you didn't read the introduction post that you were so surprised by the lack of relationship between the splash page and the website.
I'm redoing my whole website, and this splash page is the splash page that will go with the new website. Have a look at the mockups in the previous posts, the design relates very closely to that of the splash page.
So, you say, no inside scrolling page ? But then, if your screen resolution isn't big enough, you have to scroll anyway, no ? I'm asking, because I have to decide between inside scrolling page (that adapts to the height of the page, so that you have to scroll only if your resolution is really small) and extern scrollbar, like in usual websites.
Have a look at the current mockups, and tell me what you think about them !!!
Thanks for the feedback ! I heavn't seen you for a while !