View Poll Results: Would you turn yourself in if you did a horrible crime?
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Hard to imagine me doing such a thing in the first place... Only thing I could possibly think-of is someone hiring a hit-man to get me and having to resort to self defense. Sadly in the US I think you still get jail time for self defense actions or worse... If I think they would judge fairly, whatever the situation, I'd turn myself in. However I think it already unfair how they make you swear on a bible in court. What happened to “no public religion”? How's it fair to force people to use a religious object from a religion that they probably don't even believe-in in court? Even the people that are of the same religion the bible version is written, is it fair to force religion down one's throat?
The liars will take the oath falsely and get more punishment in the world-to-come.
Even the one's that try their upright-best to tell the truth will most-probably break their oath from exaggeration. How can we force an oath upon a person unwillingly? Even more so without any initial proof against the defendant? "Prejustice" is all I can say.
I never liked the idea of man taking matters into his own hands, in any case. Do you call a person that killed in self defense innocent? If so, why do you give him jail time? What is the purpose of jail? Punishment for the guilty to teach them a lesson? Why would we send an innocent person that acted in self defense in there? Did they do anything wrong that they deserve punishment for? What could have they done better in their situation? Be killed? What, do I need a document labeled "License to Kill" so I can kill in self defense? Hmph! *Votes "no"*
Last edited by Ultimater; 04-26-2006 at 07:04 PM.
Ultimater, maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought you weren't from the US. Either way, here's a slight education on your remarks.
First of all, self defense is a very viable defense in the US. Like any other defense, it must be proven.
Second, your aren't required to swear on a Bible if you don't want to. One choice is not to swear on anything but to "Solemnly Affirm" that you will tell the truth. In any case, you are right, liars will still lie. Of course, lieing under oath is a crime with it's own punishment, unless you are the President lol.
Four years ago I left for Israel, stayed for 2 years and returned to the US in the year 2004. Ever since then I've been in the US, and ever before then I've also been in the US.
Lol, Bush could lie a munk into war.
Actually, I wasn't referring to Bush. I don't actually consider him to be lieing technically. I think he is just stupid enough to really believe what he says. Much like in our world someone who continually claims that tables for layout is so much better than css, despite the evidence to the contrary. They aren't lieing, just wrong.
Remember "I did not have sx with that woman"? Total lie, although most men would deny it or make an excuse, even if caught in the act.
Out of curiosity, what do you consider "horrible" for this question? Is it poisoning your neighbor's dog, committing adultery, killing your kids?
Self-defense isn't a "horrible" crime. It is something you do out of instinct, out of your desire to live. It is a reaction. A "horrible" crime is something you do to control your environment - making people listen, proving your worth, eliminating restrictive forces, etc. That's what makes it horrible - you're imposing your will onto someone else without consent, not allowing them the freedom to live their life.
I'd turn myself in. If I could recognize it was "horrible," then I'd know that what I did was bad, and deserves punishment. I couldn't live with the guilt of carrying a secret that changed the lives of others in such a negative fashion.
It's the people that don't recognize crimes as "horrible" you've really got to worry about!
Here is another related question:
If your friend committed a crime, would you turn them in?
Both of these questions relate to something along these lines of the word "horrible" crime:
- accidentally killing someone (driving, and not watching, you slowly merge into on coming traffic, and you swerve and so does the car coming towards you, and he/she drives off a small cliff to his/her death.)
- sexual harassment
- child pornography
- non-sexual harassment
Those are pretty broad categories....
I'm not sure I'd rate a car accident with pre-meditated murder, with the exception of DUI. I mean, if I tripped on a stairwell, then caused someone to fall down the stairs, breaking their neck, I wouldn't consider that a horrible crime. It was horrible that it happened, but I wouldn't think I was horrible person for attempting to walk in the first place. Either when walking or driving, accidents happen.
First, I'd keep trying to convince them that they needed to turn themselves in, if not for the benefit of the victims, then for the benefit of a lesser sentence based on confession.
If that didn't work, I'd turn them in. Who's to say that I or someone I knew wouldn't be the next person hurt?
I try to stick to the rule of never turning in a friend, however I might make an exception for the likes of child pornography.
I voted no, because if it's the sort of thing I'd turn myself in over, I wouldn't have done it in the first place.
The only possible reason I can see for doing something "horrible" and then turning myself in would be if it was for the greater good. Here's an extremely unrealistic example.
As for the second question, if I knew someone that had comitted a crime would I turn them in? It'd depend on how well I know them and what sort of crime it was. For example, if it was anything racially motivated then I'd turn them in no matter what, because I just can't stand prejudice and ignorence. If on the other hand it was a theft or a murder, then I don't know, it'd depend on the circumstances.
Scientist: General, we have to launch the nuke now in order for it to deflect the meteor in time, otherwise it will destroy the Earth!
General: Very well, but dammit this better work.
Woman: No Please no, the evil Dr. Hitler-von-Frankenstein has tied my son to the rocket!!!
General: I'm sorry, I've got no choice. Launch the missile!
General (whispers): What have I done
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David, it could happen that you do something, and regret it later on.
Originally Posted by David Harrison
Totally agree here
Originally Posted by David Harrison
Same for rape, pedophily, etc.. i wouldn't consider them friends, and thus i would immediately turn them in
I wouldn't do a horrible crime anyway..
for me a horrible crime is the 2 stated in my previous post, random slaughter, slaughter for a stupid reason (as david said)
I don't consider targeted assassination to be a horrible crime, sure it's a crime, and i wouldn't do it unless i have a very good reason worth to spend the rest of my life in prison. And i really don't consider stealing to be a horrible crime.
Does that go for gender motivated, too? Women are targeted for many crimes - rape, abuse, etc.
Originally Posted by David Harrison
Does it really matter if it's a women or a man?
Originally Posted by KDLA
Nah. I was just curious as to what distinctions are being made. All crime is based on prejudice and ignorance, and the resultant feeling of loss of control over one's environment. I thought it was interesting that "racially motivated" was what was cited when there are so many other crimes based on differences: age, sexuality, gender, religion, etc.
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