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  1. #1
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    Jun 2003


    Allow me to share my piece of frustration at the moment.

    I was offered an internship to do web development in March. Since I emphasized wanting to work with "the latest technology," I started reading a book on ASP.NET in preparation. Well, come June, I start working, and my company basically tells me "forget it, there is no way you can use ASP.NET". The truth is the majority of our applications are still in ASP. I think we might have some stuff in Java and Perl, but ASP is dominate by far.

    So I'm sitting here trying to decide if I should use ASP, Java, or what-not. I have worked with ASP before, but I just think it's "a thing of the past." I mean, ASP.NET is here, it's been out for almost 2 years, and clearly it's the path forward (I don't mean it's going to take over the market, but as far as ASP vs ASP.NET). If I had a choice between ASP and ASP.NET, of course I would want to work with the latter, for tomorrow's sake. 5 years from now, if anyone is working with Microsoft technology, it should be closer to ASP.NET than classic ASP. So, I can write ASP code today, but is it going to get me anywhere tomorrow? For all I know, this may be the LAST time I ever write ASP. I hope, anyway.

    So what about Java? It's certainly going to be more difficult to learn, but I believe it will be more useful in years to come. Still, I can't decide what I want to use for this project. My company is clear not THERE yet, and I really don't want to code in something inferior and aging, even though I'm more comfortable with ASP. I want a recruiter to look at my resume and say "wow, you worked with some hot new technology" not "oh, you did something useless."

    The funny thing is, all this time I had feared not meeting the company's expectations of the "Latest Technology," when in fact they, like most other companies, is hesitant to upgrade.

    (our backend: ORACLE)

  2. #2
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    Jan 2003
    Jersey Girl

    Re: Frustrated

    Originally posted by VB.NET
    "forget it, there is no way you can use ASP.NET"
    that's still the reality out there.

    If you think that it takes businesses/corporations a long time to upgrade browsers...
    image how long it takes them to scrap a totally workable technology - like ASP (and all of the structures and personell that they have supported it with) in order to switch-over to something that they would have to pay more to use (in both software and people).

    if you want to plan 5 years ahead (be careful with that)... so be it.
    But you aren't living 5 years from now...
    RIGHT NOW is now!!!!

    No wonder you are frustrated...
    you are looking at this as though it is all about YOU...
    when in fact... it is all about the needs of business.

    When you get the power to dictate to businesses which technologies they should be using... give me a heads-up call so that I can try to keep-up with the latest changes that you decide on.

    Otherwise... just learn and use the skills that are in demand, and keep an eye (and not an attitude) to the future needs of business.

    for gosh-sakes... you are only interning.
    Someone needs a wake-up call

    a (paid) ASP dinosaur...

  3. #3
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    Nov 2002
    Auburn, AL
    I aggree with you people need to switch to asp.net but think about it in a year or two when companies do switch the demand will boom and you will already know asp.net you are ahead of the curve. I am also going to pick up jsp though too soon. Because I am going to be learning java anyway. It should be fun

  4. #4
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    Nov 2002
    Auburn, AL
    khaki, I think its about time you bought a nice thick book on asp.net. You would be amazed at the features it gives you. It increases yet even more when you put it on w2k3 server, I mean its amazing it can detect harmful things, like say someone leaves off an end command it my forum I dont have hunt for it the server can detect it so I dont need extra code. It makes it a lot safer for the server when you screw up. Asp.net also reduces server lag. Also this little thing called the view state saves you a whole bunch of work its very cleaver. Like if you were to view a page soruce using .net you would see miles a numbers and letter that take the place of your codeing. Asp.net is very nice and painless all together and you can cranck out powerful applications with the greatest efficancy and ease.

  5. #5
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    Jan 2003
    Jersey Girl
    Companies will "switch" when and/or if it is economically and strategically feasible.
    They will not "switch" for any other reason.

    I agree that those who know and learn ASP.NET now, will be ahead of the curve when/if that time comes (and that's why I've been asking a lot of questions about it lately)...

    but as long as companies continue to keep ASP...
    they will continue to keep ASP developers on staff.

    So, just because something is new... does not mean that it will automatically (and globally) replace what came before it.
    (or at least hopefully not before I jump on-board lol)

    But anyway..
    my point was not really anti-ASP.NET...
    it was a reaction to the anti-ASP whine from someone who is placing their own career goals against the company who is giving him/her a chance to develop professionally.

    That's all.

    And I will be heading to the bookstore this weekend to have a look at what it's all about... so yes...
    I am taking your advice Peo

    No shortage of opinions... as always ...

  6. #6
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    Nov 2002
    Auburn, AL
    I did not say you were anti asp.net and I get what you are saying I just think you have been asking about .net a lot lately and I think you need to run over to barns and noble and get a book on it and learn it. You will not be dissappointed. But dont get instant asp.net applications by greg buczek. Its full of errors and will give you 500's up the ying yang.

  7. #7
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    Jan 2003
    Jersey Girl
    that's my spot!!!!

    thanks for the heads-up about Instant ASP.NET Peo (i'll avoid it).

    any recommendations?

  8. #8
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    Nov 2002
    Auburn, AL
    not that I can think of right now, let me see. First off do you know straight up visual basic or c#?
    Last edited by PeOfEo; 06-20-2003 at 03:33 PM.

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    Jersey Girl

  10. #10
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    Nov 2002
    Auburn, AL
    then you should be well off. You know sql correct? Because asp.net is like a mixture of vb sql c# and a tad bit of xml but I only use c# on one file so it can be easy to avoid if you are not top notch on it.

  11. #11
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    Jan 2003
    Jersey Girl
    i know enough sql to survive my database needs.

    And I got a good book on that (so I'm not worried about sql being a problem for me)

    but i gotta say that i was pretty turned-off by all of the C# examples that i've seen being used with NET.
    I REALLY don't have time to start learning a language like C# at this point.

    That's probably the biggest stumbling block for me now (and why i haven't pulled the trigger on NET yet )

  12. #12
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    Nov 2002
    Auburn, AL
    well the nice thing about asp.net is you can use vb instead of c# I think c# is a pain too so I try to avoid it as much as possible. That is one truely confusing language. Eventually though we both should get good at it. http://search.barnesandnoble.com/boo...J7&cds2Pid=946 I guess thats your choices. But stay away from anything by buczek. I hear he did a book that is used by many colledges as a text though. I cant figure out if that is a good or bad thing. My hunch is its bad. Buczek just doesnt test his work it seems.

  13. #13
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    Jan 2003
    Jersey Girl
    well... lets see...
    5 shopping days 'till my birthday!

    looks like another geek-gift for khaki lol
    (that would be a good one for my oldest brother to get me. Last year he got me a case of wine I thought that was kind of wierd... but it was fun! )

    speaking of wine (well... actually margaritas ... it's Friday... it's 5pm.... so... it's happy hour!!!

    catch you later!!!


  14. #14
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    Nov 2002
    Auburn, AL
    I thought you said you would not be drinking today in another thread. Wow our birthdays are close together mine is on the 29th, I got cable for my present. I am also looken for a few nice homestarrunner t shirts. But a nice gift certificate to b&n would be nice, I could look at jsp

  15. #15
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    Jan 2003
    Jersey Girl
    I thought you said you would not be drinking today in another thread
    good intentions...
    bad influences

    it's Friday....
    it's my birthday week...
    cut me some slack!

    really gotta go...

    till next time...

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