Old Newbie Designing Websites

**DrkWolf** · 01-08-2007 12:01 PM

Hello.

I have been out of the web-design business for quite some time.

When I was designing websites it was commonplace to use frames. Now it seems popular to use tables instead. I want to have a frame layout but use tables. I have seen many websites where there is a base page (menus and ads) and only a section in the middle changes with whatever information is being displayed from the link they chose. This used to be done with frames, but when I look at sourcecode it appears to be tablee.

I didnt think you could assign a name face value to a table like you did to a frame. Is this being done with PHP, or JS?

Any advice is realllllllly appreciated..

**WebJoel** · 01-08-2007 12:31 PM

Using "table" is a bit antiquated nowadays. Unless you are offering tabular data (like in a spreadsheet), what you're going to do is wade-down a browser's ability to sort things out and increase your bandwidth useage.
I'd look into using <div> tags, and if you have alot of data to show, a server-side language could place smaller 'pages' of content in the viewing area (not too unlike what FRAMEs do). Or even use FRAMEs with a transitional !doctype if you must.
Another method would be to use the <object></object> method, and have smaller 'pagelettes' placed inside of your larger 'main page'. You could state a width & height, and if the content exceeds this size, scrollbars would appear. that way, you could actually have several pages' worth of content 'squeezed inside of' the main page.

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
<html><head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" />
<meta http-equiv="Content-Style-Type" content="text/css" />
<meta http-equiv="Content-Script-Type" content="text/javascript" />
<title></title>
<style type="text/css">
* {border:0; padding:0; margin:0;}

</style>
<script type="text/javascript">
</script>
</head>
<body>
<div style="width:760px; margin:10px auto;">

<h1>My web sites and stuff</h1>
<p>Some text and other descriptions, etc.</p>

<object type="text/html" data="http://www.mySite.com/pageOne.html" style="width:751px; height:475px; margin:0 auto; border:3px double black;"></object>

<object type="text/html" data="http://www.mySite.com/pageTwo.html" style="width:751px; height:475px; margin:0 auto; border:3px double black;"></object>

<object type="text/html" data="http://www.mySite.com/pageThree.html" style="width:751px; height:475px; margin:0 auto; border:3px double black;"></object>

</div>

</body>
</html>

Here is a basic template suggestion (note that there are THREE "object" tags... each here point to the same site (which is not mine, but a host site I guess??) and they are displaced 'inside' of each "object" container's size...

**ray326** · 01-08-2007 12:41 PM

As Joel says, tables are now out for page layout. Check the resources in my sig.

**DrkWolf** · 01-08-2007 09:37 PM

joel.
thanks alot for the feedback.. the example you gave me is cool... I would want one object type in the middle of the screen and that would be where all my links would display.
A menu on the outside of the box with every link on the menu displaying in that object type.. how would I direct links into the object instead of giving the object a defined link to display?

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