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  1. #1
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    Jul 2007

    google rankings

    I am new to the web design/marketing world. I have good positioning on yahoo/msn/ask but Google seems to not like my site. kvmsonline.com I am 1 2 or 3 on the other search engines for the search term "raritan kvms" but on google i am like 33. Does anyone have any suggestions?

  2. #2
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    American, living in Toronto, ON. CANADA
    With 97 errors ("warnings" actually, but these are 'little errors'), it really amazing you rated so well with MSN etc.

    Things like:
    <h3><center><table border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="5" width="100%">
    -Where to begin...
    -You have nested a TABLE inside of a block-level element h3, have improper use of 'center', no title="" to describe the h-tag contents, I see many images with no alt="description of this picture for non-graphics user-agents", and this whole definitive example is nested inside of the block-level element "<p>", and un-closed tags. First off, this will not validate. Think of every item I cited as "points". One, two or three points per citation, for a possible score right here of possibly 8 or 10. A search engine might only credit one or two points for this level of markup for this segment. Actually, -maybe not even that much as there is nothing here to score really. There is no 'content' here, just 'presentational markup' and invalid at that.

    Instead of SEARCHing for "raritan kvms" you need to search "SEO techniques" and use some of them. You want to use as many of these "search engine optimization" recommendations that you will find.

    I hope that I wasn't too harsh here, -I was new at this once too. But this example is quite poor and has much need for improvement.
    I build for: Firefox and tweak for IE

  3. #3
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    not too harsh at all - Im not really a beginner - I have no experience with any of this at all - beginner implies that I new where to start. I will look into what you said and try to figure out how to implement it - I was just thrown an assignment of working on our site - so I tried to do what I could with what was already there - the storefront works well but they wanted to use the kvmsonline.com domain so I used the domain as a blank intro page to the storefront - make sense? So thanks again for the advice and if you have anymore please do let me know - how did you find 97 erros? is there a way for me to run something to see that? That way I know if I am making any progress.

    Thanks again

  4. #4
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    American, living in Toronto, ON. CANADA
    Get Firefox the browser, and the self-installing extention called "HTML Validator by TIDY". Both are free of course.

    TIDY can check your code and show any errors, and suggest a fix. You have to correct the 'error' in case this makes the page worse (sometimes fixing one error reveals many more!). Most errors however, are "warnings", -minor errors that most browsers still 'understand', but are under no obligation to do so. These are the deprecated (old, outdated & no longer used in best practice), proprietary (generally, IE-only and sometimes, NN ("Netscape")-only), or missing-required end tags as I stated earlier. -Accessibility ommissions are common (not using alt="" for images, title="" for other elements like H-tags, elements of special interest, etc). 10 years ago, this probably made no difference. But 10 years ago, almost nobody was viewing the internet from hand-helds/palm/cellphone/PSPs, etc, -not to mention the issues & legalities of handicapped Accessibility which is becoming expansive to include access to the internet (text-readers/text-to-speech, text-to-braille, etc).

    Your page revealed 97(?) warnings, a bulk of which were probably Accessibility warnings (not using summary="summary of the contents of this table" on TABLE tags, required for text-readers to understand what the TABLE is about. Similar to the "chapter title" of chapters in a novel, which 'sum up' or 'catagorize' the contents proceeding it).

    Use of descriptive link data... your hyperlinks should for instance never say "click here". A Search Engine does not know how to index "click here", -it is too boolean, like "this" or "that".
    A hyperlink should contain a valid "keyword", so if the link points to joes-hardware-store(dot)com, it should be written like "<a href="www.joeshardwarestore(dot)com">Joe's Hardware Store</a> This is "index-able".

    And now it's punch-up time for Joe's Hardware Store...

    "<a title="Joe's Hardware Store: We sell hardware, power tools, drills, power saws and all accessories for your home improvement needs" href="www.joeshardwarestore(dot)com">Joe's Hardware Store</a>

    Okay (-d'ya feel the chill in the air yet?!), -not only did we give the hyperlink a meaningful, index-able text, we gave the SEARCH-engines some title="" to assist people searching for hardware & tools and home improvement! Give yourself 3-points+ for the good hyperlink text, and another 3-points+ for the relevant title="" data.

    Another biggie is correctly using <h> tags, which number from 1, 2, 3, -etc to 6.
    The FIRST h-tag used, should always be "<h1></h1>". That is the most important. It is called a "first-level header".
    The next used h-tag, is "<h2></h2>", -a "second-level header".
    The <h3>~, <h4>~, etc.
    Try to avoid using say, "<h6></h6>" first just because it is the smallest. You trade presentation for content. Content is KING. Focus on content. If you need a small, "header" that is required at the TOP of a page, you can just go "<h1 style="font-size:1.2em;">This text needs to be small</h1>" which will make the h-1 font be approx. 12 or 14-px high (an "em" unit is about 10-pixels tall).

    Avoid ...no, never use the word "banner" to label a DIV or image or logo... "banner" is so maligned with "spam" and "junk mail" that some spider-'bots/search will just consider it bad and give you negative-points right there.

    Don't 'sneak in' hidden text keywords, -like very small, repetitive or same-color-as-background text. Most Search engines (google more notably) knows of this 'black hat' technique and can send a site to the back of the list for employing this 'stuffing' technique.

    There are dozens upon dozens of 'little things' that can be done to jack-up a sites' ratings. Do the right ones, -don't have to do all of them but just a few biggie ones, -and a site can rise up rather impressively in ranking. Ideally, you would like to rise up to at least the first 10 (the number of sites that usually appear on a single page... most people when searching seldom check or need to check beyong page 1 of any search).

    A very important tag... is the <title></title> at the top of the page. A "title" tag is the briefest description of the page's name. Note this page... it probably says "WEBDEVELOPER.COM", not "Welcome to WEBDEVELOPER.COM". You want the most important word, FIRST. So many people start their "<title></title>" with "Welcome to my homepage!" and they loose (get negative bonus points) for this. If the hypothetical page is "Joe's Hardware Store", the title tag should be:
    <title>Joe's Hardware Store (and something more if you want...)</title>"

    I don't much do META data tags... most SEARCH/'bots ignore them anyway (google especially) due to their rampant abuse in the past. But if you choose to use them anyway (a few sites still glance at them), limit to 56-words or less for keywords="", and do not repeat a word more than 5 or 6 times as this is "stuffing" or 'cramming' the 'bot and they perceive it as "spamming" and again, -bottom of the list for that site. I have seen sites that use meta data like "baseball cards, baseball hats, baseball stuff, baseball, baseball season, baseball penants, baseball memoribilia, baseball hall of fame, etc etc etc " well right there, they just 'spammed' the spider-bot and probably all that imformation is 'ignored' or 'blacklisted'... Spiders go several hundred words 'deep' into a site, seeking index-able content. -Don't 'stuff' the top of the page with useless META data and if you have <STYLE>s that can go to an external file, do it. You 'cleared' that much text out of the path of a hungry spider, allowing it to that much 'deeper' into your site seeking indexable content.

    And change. New content is the BEST. Indexers love new content. Even if the content is merely 'revised' a bit, -it's all good. But add a new paragraph and a few more new header tags... spider luv it.

    -Like I was saying... hundreds of lil' tricks. Just do the basic, honorable mark-up and you'll be quite pleasantly surprised at how nicely your site can rise up.
    Last edited by WebJoel; 07-31-2007 at 04:48 PM. Reason: some spelling, etc
    I build for: Firefox and tweak for IE

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    thank you so much - I sincerely appreciate your input and the time you took to type that up. Now I gotta go do it

  6. #6
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    san francisco ca
    Thanks so much WebJoel!

    I'm happy I came accross with DwareJw's question. We have the same dilemna. I checked our website and it looks that we have done some wrong things there and/or violations. I have not even checked it for errors with TIDY yet. I really appreciate your time for the advice.


  7. #7
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    san francisco ca

    Re: Page Ranking, Thanks to WebJoel!

    Thanks so much WebJoel!

    I'm happy I came accross with DwareJw's question. We have the same dilemna. I checked our website and it looks that we have done some wrong things there and/or violations. I have not even checked it for errors with TIDY yet. I really appreciate your time for the advice.


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