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  1. #1
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    Dec 2002
    Calgary, Canada

    Message posting Guidelines

    Having seen countless threads opened on these forums that make no sense at all,and do no
    help to any volunteer to respond to it. I thought its only appropriate to write something like this that may help a new poster
    to get help quicker. Following are some general guidelines that must be kept in mind when posting a new topic
    or when you are responding to one as well.

    I got help from several internet forum sites where they have simmilar messages posted.

    Very Important use SEARCH feature.

    Look towards your right on the screen, right above the
    http://forums.webdeveloper.com/images/newthread.gif button
    you'll see the http://forums.webdeveloper.com/images/top_search.gif button.
    This actually is a great feature, and believe me in most of the cases your question, chances are, have been answered multiple times already.
    This will save allots of forum resources as well as it will save you to from waiting anxiously for your question to be responded to.


    I can not emphasis more on this one, I hate to see threads which are vague and leave us( volunteers) guessing that what
    could have been wrong or what the poster actually meant. So please be kind and describe your question
    as much as you can, Phrases like these "Why my code does not work" or the worst ones are where you post several hundred lines of code and heading only says
    "Can you help me?",are a total no no.<br/>
    Please follow these guidelines for your sake as well as volunteers sake.<br/>

    1. Explain to us what your script DOES (or what it's supposed to do).

    2. Explain to us what exactly the error is. Is it a JavaScript error?
    Is it some server side related error Or is it just not doing what you

    3. Remember that (or so we hope) you know a lot more about your code than we do. Don't assume we know just what it does.

    4. Most of the volunteers at this site are really good at what they do; however, do not expect them to know about every piece of garbage code, that is scattered all over the internet.
    So phrases like "I took this code from XXXXX site why doesn't it work", means nothing. Please be descriptive as in item 2 above.

    Stupid topic names, that MUST NOT be used

    Post a descriptive topic name! Give a short summary of your problem
    IN THE SUBJECT field.

    Below is a list of some universally agreed upon topic headings that YOU SHOULD NOT POST :

    1) Help me

    2) Hello please help me

    3) this is driving me nuts

    4) newbie alert

    5) Newbie needs help

    6) Challenge for JavaScript gurus

    7) XXXXX doubt

    8) This is too complicated for me

    9) Is this possible?

    10) Very urgent

    11) I have a question

    12) I have a problem

    13) Stupid question

    14) Something wrong

    15) pulling my hair out

    16) Its probably easy for you

    Generally ANYTHING similar to the above is not descriptive enough.

    Here are few good topic heading examples

    "Error: getting a NaN error"

    or may be:

    "Getting an object required error when loading"

    Or something like this

    "text1 is null or not an object error!"


    PLEASE do not post your entire script in a message. Only post the part of your script where you have problems.
    That's it. Just a very small piece of it. It's not hard. Just find the
    part you think doesn't work and post that. WE DON'T WANT TO SEE YOUR
    ENTIRE SCRIPT. And if you post the entire script it's going to take us

    a lot longer to find the problem. And if you must then please upload your file as txt or zip file.
    Do not expect us to go through several hundred lines of code to figure out where you have omitted a comma.

    PUT YOUR CODE in PHP vB code blocks!!!

    Hundreds of times every week we see people post a huge ugly script
    right into the message, this code in most cases is too hard to read.
    Pease use the built in vB code formatting using<br/>
    square bracket PHP square bracket<br/>
    This will color code your script good enough for readability.<br/> If you use that your code may look like this

    PHP Code:
    function colorCoded(){

    Line Number!

    Please let us know that which line caused the error and what that line's code is supposed to do when it works.
    Tell us what,in general, your script is supposed to do and why it
    "doesn't work". Or if you don't know why it does not work then at least
    tell us what the offending code is supposed to do.
    When you come in and say "it doesn't work" or just "it has errors",
    that means NOTHING. There could be hundreds of things wrong and no one
    will know where to look.

    If you're not going to take the advice, don't ask for help.

    Often times, people post questions about their script with the
    wrong mindset from the very beginning. Soon they are receiving replies,
    and silently debugging their code, making no effort to even acknowledge
    the people helping them! It becomes one sided, and the poster isn't
    aware that many of the people helping them hope to learn something as
    well! Letting people know of your progress and how their suggestions
    apply (or do not apply) will not only help you figure out your problem
    quicker, but you'll be returning the favor to those of us who learn
    more by helping.

    In even worse scenarios, sometimes the poster will argue back even
    when they don't know what they're talking about. Hey - if you know it
    all, don't ask for help.

    When people give you free code that may solve your problem, by all
    means, try it out! And if it's not what you need, at least thank them. <br>

    And if you find some responses over your head, ask them for a better
    explanation. Don’t come back arguing that it wasn't what you need,if you knew what you needed you wouldn't have posted a question in first place ,would you?.

    Remember when people help you, they are doing YOU the favor

    Regardless of how big your ego is, it is NOT someone else's
    privilege to debug Your code. It is not their privilege to have them
    help you. It is YOURS. Remember that when people help you they are
    doing YOU the favor. You are not doing them a favor by letting them see
    your incredible buggy application. Be patient help people out by posting
    good descriptions of what you need help with, and not snapping at
    people with garbage such as "if you aren't going to help don't waste my
    time replying".


    Message Posting Guidelines In These Forums, Please read these before posting any question.
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  2. #2
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    Nov 2002
    Nashua, NH
    Here is another suggestion:
    I say 4 out 5 questions on these (and other fora) are asked in a way that makes giving a valuable advice next to imposible. The reason is that such posts do not present THE PROBLEM, but rather a problem that was created by a solution to (a problem that was created by a solution to) THE PROBLEM. Somehow, the majority fails to see what the REAL problem that needs to be solved is.

    So here is a VERY SIMPLE advice on how to find out what THE REAL PROBLEM is:
    When presented with a problem, ask yourself "Why, the ****(heck) do I want to do this", and then apply the same question to the answer (repeat as needed)

    Then post THE PROBLEM you came up with and what you thought of as an original problem as "here is how I thought of solving it" with a question "is there a better way".

    Only then will you get a much better response in much less time.

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    Apr 2003
    About describing a problem, for some newer scripters that migth be a problem.. not knowing how a part is called (object parts etc etc..) same as with my last post I have no clue in how to call it in any other way! (that is why I put down my problem on the net on a page so the problem can be expierenced yourself)

    suggestion?? javascript dictionairy?
    The only limitation to create something is your own imagination.
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  4. #4
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    Thank you for taking the time to post some good suggestions. I registered just yesterday, so the advice comes at a good time.
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  5. #5
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    May 2003
    Good coments,

    The only thing I could add is...

    Regarding posting of source - If you can sumarise your problem in a few lines of javascript then great! Post that. If not - then either give us a URL (preferrably) or a zip of the whole (semi-functional) site as many experts have access to debugging software that will break on the line at fault - making identification of the problem much easier.

    When I see a posting with a huge amount of javascript but without the corresponding HTML, I tend to think "Too much work!!!" and quietly go on to the next post.
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  6. #6
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    Sep 2003
    Thanks for this post !! I may have broken a few of these rules already and I just got here lol..
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  7. #7
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    Sep 2003
    I followed these guidelines to post a question, but got no response. I put the question in as much detail as possible, put the purpose of the question in the subject, and posted the script in my thread (as the script was working, I just wanted to know how to make it do something more).

    Days later, I saw another thread with a vague title, and a similar question (but the person wanted to do something totally different, so it wasn't of help to me), who got a good response.

    So, today I have reposted my question, but made it more vague.

    Are there any other tips in your guidelines as to how to get a response?
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  8. #8
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    Jan 2003
    The best way to get a good response is to post a post with one or two small to medium paragraphs summarizing your problem. We don't usually need explicit details, as we get a great deal of questions. A vague subject title is not a good way to get a response, although most posts are read anyway. If you do post code, post little or only a small portion of it, so that it does not appear as a large amount of work. When you post a long message or a lot of code, commonly those who could possibly help out turn away at the thought of such an overwhelming amount of code. Some are willing to help out with such large amounts, but personally, I believe it is more polite to prevent the person answering the question from doing a great deal of work. I prefer for the person asking the question to try to figure out things for themselves, so that the job is not completely put on the shoulders of the responder.

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    Generally, most threads get answered. There are a couple of possible reasons why yours did not, such as:

    Your post was hard to understand, or as Jona said, longer than anyone wanted to sift through

    There were few people on who answer questions at the time you posted, and the thread got sent down the page a ways, and out of sight.

    Also, as no one get's paid to answer questions, if you need something that will require more work than someone wants give for free, your question may just get skipped over...

    There are really a lot of reasons why a question may not get answered, but we try our best...

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    Oh, and instead of posting a new post, just go back to your old post and say something like, *BUMP* and it will put it on the front page again... That way someone can see it, and you won't have to post it again.

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    Gee, I missed this

    Looks like I have broken a few rules of this board by mentioning 'HELP' and 'NEWBIE' in my first post.

    I'd appreciate it if people understand that there ARE newbies who have learning difficulties and who searched the net and came over here, registered and posted a message hoping for some help. Slamming them for seeking help is not particularly encouraging. Could we hope for some more compassion around here please? I find it hard to imagine a forum intended for voluntary assistance banning the use of the word 'HELP'.

    I do appreciate other pointers on how to post. I have a steep learning curve to catch up!
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    Thanks for the tips, they are appreciated.

    Funnily enough, my vague posting did actually get responses. Another funny, one of the answers was actually covered in my original posting (the one that wasn't answered), so I had to go back in and clarify that one as well

    I am though finding it tough to explain something in few words. I guess, not being an expert, I don't know the 'short term' for something, so have to explain it further. That may be why newbies give such large questions. It is a catch 22 situation there.

    Also, I had to post my whole script, as the script itself worked, and I just wanted to know how to adapt it to what I wanted.

    I guess it is all tricky, but I will keep all of your advice in mind and try to perfect this question asking. Even as a Newbie, I have information to help others, so that feels good to give some back.

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    Re: Gee, I missed this

    Originally posted by javamark
    I'd appreciate it if people understand that there ARE newbies who have learning difficulties and who searched the net and came over here, registered and posted a message hoping for some help. Slamming them for seeking help is not particularly encouraging. Could we hope for some more compassion around here please? I find it hard to imagine a forum intended for voluntary assistance banning the use of the word 'HELP'.
    A lot of us do understand, and realize this. No one has been banned for posting "Help please" since this message was posted (and it wasn't posted very long ago, either). However, since you are not one who regularly comes here to answer questions (for free*), you do not realize the frustration one can get when there are many new posts all titled something relatively the same...

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  14. #14
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    Originally posted by LindaQ
    I guess it is all tricky, but I will keep all of your advice in mind and try to perfect this question asking. Even as a Newbie, I have information to help others, so that feels good to give some back.
    Yes, sometimes I feel the same way--as far as helping out the people who ask questions in this forum, and others. I feel I owe it back to this site, even though I'm pretty sure I've paid it back for what I've done, those who answered my questions (Dave Clark, Khalid Ali, and pyro mostly), I am sure, deserve something. Hopefully they're glad to see others, such as myself, helping out others so that they do not have such a work load. (Apparently Dave Clark left, though.)

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    Wow, I knew that he'd deleted almost 5000 of his posts, (for some reason), but I didn't know that he'd actually left. I just figured that he was concentrating on the ASP forum.
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