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  1. #1
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    Apr 2012

    Question about finding jobs.

    I'm sorry if this thread is in the wrong forum, but I sat here for 10 minutes trying to figure out which forum to put this thread in, and this seemed like the most reasonable. Admins, if you need to move it, feel free. Just please don't delete.

    I had a question for you guys about finding a Javascript Developer job. So, what does a company usually look for in an application/resume? I'm so hesitant to go to school for web development because 99% of the articles I've read online ALWAYS say the stuff you learn at a university is outdated by the time you graduate, so currently i'm just taking the courses over at teamtreehouse.com. Is the Bachelors degree in computer science 100% necessary on a resume when looking for a development job? Cause I'd hate to spend 6 figures on a university to learn soon-to-be outdated material when I can signup for online courses for 50 bucks a month that teach up-to-date material, but I don't get the degree.

    I'm 24, by the way. Don't know if that matters at all?

    I'm also willing to learn ANYTHING a company is willing to teach me. Does having LESS knowledge in Javascript end up working in my favor at all in a Junior Javascript Dev position? The reason I'm thinking that way is because a company would be able to teach me javascript ANYWAY they wanted to, but that's if they were willing to teach.

    Thanks in advance ladies and gents.

  2. #2
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    Dec 2005
    Is the Bachelors degree in computer science 100% necessary on a resume when looking for a development job?
    I can confirm to you that is 100% not-necessary. I don't know of any JavaScript dev's (even high profile ones in the industry) that learned JavaScript in school.

    Everything I know (which is far from all of it) I learned myself from reading other people's code and developing/debugging my own and others applications.

    All you need to be able to do is demonstrate your skills - that could be provide code samples, answer code questions, or provide working demos of applications that you've built/had a hand in.

    You don't have to spend a dime to learn JS if you don't want to. I didn't. Just start playing with it and spend some time asking questions (and reading other people's answers) on forum's like this and you'll be surprised how quickly you can gain advanced knowledge in JavaScript for free.
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    I'm NO LONGER a scientist,
    but now a web developer...

  3. #3
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    Jun 2006
    Do not go to a university. I understand University after the highschool scene. You enjoy life. Learn very little. But can really enjoy yourself.

    If I was 24 and did not go to a university and wanted to start making money. I would not go to one.

    I would go after high paying jobs. Learning HTML/CSS, Javascript is a first.

    Once you get good at that dive into PHP. There are many jobs out there for PHP developers.

    Online tutorials can do you justice for learning. But in the end you need real life problems that you need to solve. Start hustling on Craigslist. You will get a small paying gig. Work your way up.

    Once you get a couple projects under your belt. You can build your portfolio to sell yourself. I say 1 -2 years anyone with some dedication can turn themselves from a junior developer. 3+ years you can be landing big paying jobs.

  4. #4
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    Apr 2012
    I appreciate both replies, very much so.

    In my years of teaching myself (since I've been about 15), I've learned HTML and CSS. I'm currently learning Javascript, and will most definitely start learning PHP.

    Do you guys recommend any websites and/or online learning platforms such as teamtreehouse.com?

    Thanks again!

  5. #5
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    Aug 2004
    While a degree (or other recognized certification) can help, especially for a first job in the field, the main tool for finding a job is networking -- not computer networking, but people networking.

    If you're lucky enough to live relatively near some city that has tech meet-ups, user groups in applicable fields, and so forth; go to them -- not just to learn stuff, but to meet people and get known by them as someone with a real interest in the field. Sites like this, LinkedIn, and others might also give you useful contacts, especially if you add to the site with quality posts.

    A quite high percentage of jobs get filled by internal referrals from someone already working at the company, so the old saying is often true: "It's not what you know, but who you know." (Mind you, once you get the interview, you still have to convince them you're worth hiring, but you can't do that if you don't first get the interview.)
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  6. #6
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    Jan 2007
    From the sole standpoint of landing a job, the degree just gets you in the door. You get hired on your experience and ability to speak intelligibly.

    That said, some of the higher level CS coursework can be beneficial. And while I wouldn't insist upon a degree, I'd recommend getting as much formal education as you can until you're comfortable with the inertia in your career. While you may never need to implement or understand a doubly linked list or a binary tree, you may need to be familiar with using a stack and a loop to replace a recursive function. And even if you don't, your interviewer may ask you to prove basic CS competency, maybe by asking you about the big-O complexity of a particular sorting algorithm -- particularly if your real-world experience is somewhat lacking.

    The ideal path, IMO, is to stay in school and obsess over personal CS/Web projects until you land the career you want. Work "less skilled" development positions, like a university department's developer/designer spot, or some freelance jobs, until someone hires you for "serious" work.

    Keep up on personal projects. Always push the limits of your experience in the process. Experiment. Make 'em a little shiny -- or at least not hideous. Make them publicly accessible. And put them on your resume somehow.
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