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    Anger?

    I have seen alot recently on alot of different forums looking at quite a few of peoples websites in their signatures etc.
    These people are mainly web designers and are good at graphics but then you check the code and its invalid, no doctype and table based layouts but their sites look good becuase of the graphics.

    Which angers me why do i have to learn to code properly yes becuase its standards compliant valid and accessible but at the end of the day these are the guys getting all of the jobs becuase of the graphics i have seen alot of my people i know recently get a ton of jobs creating site just because there good at graphics and the people employing them dont see the code.

    I tell these people they should learn how to code properly but they just say whats the point if i can make money doing this by just slicing in photoshop then into dreamweaver.

    Not taking a dig at anyone it just angers me.

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    You know what? You're absolutely right. These guys should not have jobs in the Web development industry and it's incredibly frustrating to see them hand off horrible work. Not only is this dishonest, but it makes the ones that actually know what they're doing look bad. Everything you're doing now such as using Web standards, etc. will ensure you'll have a job a few years down the road. All the fakes will just fade away. Mark my words.
    Last edited by fredmv; 06-21-2004 at 06:41 AM.

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    I hope you right fredmv but another sick but about it is that they get large amounts of cash for he jobs. The reason why their so good at graphics and flash etc is because they have spent all their time learning that and no coding.

    Anyway i hope your right about it.

    Still its obviuosly not all of them as their are an amnount which have learned how to code properly aswell just the majority.

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    Its the balance of web development today. In the red corner we have the flashy crapppy image specialists weighing in with an incredible talent for graphic and vector management but alas not enough coding skills to write their name in html. In the green corner are the real web designers. Weighing in with coding skills comparitively amazing to that of the red corner.

    Which one would win? Maybe when everyone converts to Mozilla based browsers people will see it takes skill to code a website to work in multiple browsers. This will be when the image specialist's crappy JavaScript navigations and basic styles will really hit the bucket.

    Long live the coders!

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    Yes i hope soon everyone converts soon to Mozilla based browsers make everything alot easier but i know that will not happen as soon as i wish

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    I don't think it will ever happen unless finally one of the many bugs in Internet Explorer caves in and creates a while letting crackers and hackers worldwide just eating into peoples systems...

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    David, whilst i agree with you -- i think you have it the wrong way around.

    The Web Developers are usually regarded as the Programmers; the back-end developers. Whilst, the Web Designers actually design the layout.

    The reason these 'crappy image specialists' get the jobs (and ultimately, the money) is because they have excellent Business Skills, apposed to excellent Web Development skills.

    Most of them arent even fluent in HTML, let alone the more difficult technologies. Java, PHP, ASP for example.

    Regards,
    Andrew Buntine.

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    Ah, i generally refer to good designers and developers as Web Developers, rather than all coders. I need to revert my methods. I understand what you mean, the image specialists do have the touch because they know how to make an attractive design to bring in custom. However not to say that Web Developers (and/or designers) do not.

    When i say 'crappy image specialists', i am not neccessararily referring to good web designers merely all designers/developers who rely on ideas such as image maps and image pure layouts....

    and ultimatley; you would need good business skills whether developer or designer to attract more customers.

    if you get my drift!

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    Sure do.

    I think good business skills are equally, if not more important to possess if your going solo in the Web Development industry.

    Regards.

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    Definatley. But it always depends what market/s you are appealing to. If you want a big of local business you would probably need a decent even if small, advertising campaign such as leafleting, flyers, posters and circualer emails (spam! ).

    The web is so large you can get literally lost. You need.

    a) a decent .com /.net /.co.uk /.org /.org.uk /.uk.com /.com.au domain name.

    b) reliable hosting, preferably 24/7 uptime.

    c) an attractive, no nonsense frontpage

    and much more. if you want extra points you can always offer prospective clients an insight into you business policies and mission statements.

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    You could also personalise the experience by adding easily reachable contact forms and interactive features.

    Also, becoming involved in local events is a good way to generate attention and a sense of community. Sponsoring or judging a 'Young Web Designers' competition, for example.

    Regards,
    Andrew Buntine.

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