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    Should I use longdesc for my logo?

    I felt the necessity of adding a detailed description to my logo, but using that in its alt tag would be annoying for blind users.

    My thought of using a longdesc for my logo was for blind users who have not been previously blind, and so they would have the opportunity to imagine a picture of a person with a disability sitting on the wheelchair with a laptop on his laps.

    See here: http://www.webnauts.net/images/accessibility.gif

    What do you all think about that?

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    it makes a lot of sense because that way it won't annoy IE users either.
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    Originally posted by DaveSW
    it makes a lot of sense because that way it won't annoy IE users either.
    Dave what do you mean exactly?

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    well if you use the alt attribute it pops up when IE users mouseover it.
    If you used alt to describe the picture then IE users scratch their heads and say, 'well I can see that, why is he telling me this?'
    So using longdesc ensures your message is specific to the blind, avoiding any confusion.

    Does that make sense?
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    I understood Dave. That is also what I thought too.
    I hope I will get some more opinions here.
    As you may see from my question is a part off my research and development of Usability techniques for Accessibility issues.

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    A longdesc is probably overkill but a title attribute would be fine.

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    Originally posted by Robert Wellock
    A longdesc is probably overkill but a title attribute would be fine.
    Robert, Dave wrote above:

    So using longdesc ensures your message is specific to the blind, avoiding any confusion.
    What do you think about that?
    About his I have started a thread here: http://www.webdeveloper.com/forum/sh...threadid=52694
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    Is this technique effective?

    I am testing with the header graphic of my pages, see example switching style sheets off at http://www.webnauts.net/test.html the longdesc and additionally to it, an invisible to visual browser long description according to this proposal: http://www.stuffandnonsense.co.uk/ar...footnotes.html

    What do you think about that?

    Not annoying for visual impaired users? Even if I did not use the longdesc? And wouldn't that be dangerous for SEO?
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    I assumed you meant the wheelchair not the seven icons.

    The thing is most screen readers can be set to read the title attribute and the logo itself isn't that important it's not a graph or a chart.

    I'd agree it was a stupid idea that a longdesc appear on a new page; just think of a photo gallery each time you linked on a small thumbnail you'd be hopping backwards and forwards.

    I still stand by: http://www.stuffandnonsense.co.uk/ar....html#comment6

    Even though Joe Clark had some spaced-out idea; 1024 characters for a title attribute was fine!
    By convention, limit alt texts to 1,024 characters (1 K) or less.
    (note this full post uses about 1024. characters with spaces).

    "Graphic shows icon symbols of range of diverse disabilities."

    Would be good enough since the image is more decorative than meaning to the blind-user. Now if you used the icons throughout the site next to text than maybe a long description would make more sense.

    Again you have to consider not all users are blind that have issues with images.
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    Originally posted by Robert Wellock
    I still stand by: http://www.stuffandnonsense.co.uk/ar....html#comment6
    Isn't that dangerous for SEO?

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    Is what dangerous to SEO? Multiple keywords in the title attrib. or longdesrc - possibility slightly - or the title attribute itself no not at all. But close to 1024 characters in either would most likely really cause an issue.

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    Originally posted by Robert Wellock
    Is what dangerous to SEO? Multiple keywords in the title attrib. or longdesrc - possibility slightly - or the title attribute itself no not at all. But close to 1024 characters in either would most likely really cause an issue.
    I mean the hidden/invisible words!

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    It won't hurt though Engines are getting cleverer and more human like; as long as it isn't filled with repetitive keywords it should be fine.

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