Wow, you guys are so awesome and yes I do lack vocabulary but I do love to learn.
I'm gonna try this stuff at work tomorrow with my graphics Wizard partner, but I do think I'm getting it! Fyi, not every background pixel needs a border, just a border for the whole page of pixels. And now, gonna use background body color tag instead of my idea of "wallpaper" or 1 pixel repeated, and try the code you guys gave for the border around the edge of the page. Even though it's Sunday, heck I might just try it here before I make a fool of myself at work again! Man, I love this stuff. Thanks Thanks Thanks